the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.


  1. jdempsey85

    jdempsey85 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The great Rusty Rosenberger
     
  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Planning to rewatch some combination of: Mosley-DLH I; Lewis-Holyfield II; Mayweather-Castillo II; Leonard-Hearns II; some early 80s Holmes, and some short 70s/80s heavyweight knockouts.
     
  3. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ruben Olivares...
     
  4. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I never plan ahead. My choices are usually on a whim.
     
  5. Brixton Bomber

    Brixton Bomber Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Nice! :good
     
  6. Rafaman

    Rafaman Active Member Full Member

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    Mancini v Kim, Mancini v Romero, Rosario v JCC
     
  7. Rafaman

    Rafaman Active Member Full Member

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    I want to rewatch Morales v Pacquiao 2. It's been a while.
     
  8. Rafaman

    Rafaman Active Member Full Member

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    All the **** on this forum about Duran being overated has me wanting to watch Duran at LW v Lampkin and v DeJesus 1.
     
  9. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    was working when the huck fight was on, that's getting watched with both eyes this time.

    been meaning to watch more fights of valdez, benvenuti and some other monzon opponents for a while.
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Gene Fullmer SD15 Florentino Fernandez

    Great fight. Fullmer just sort of torpedoes his way in with that right hand but sometimes he doesn't actually throw it that far he moves his whole body in with the punch in tow, it's pretty absurd really if you think about it logically but it must be disconcerting. It all leaves Fernandez rather unaffected though, he is just winging away with both paws like always, but perhaps he should be more aware of such nuances as Fullmer's travelling punches leave him well positioned to execute his mauling in-fighting attack.

    Rounds are close and difficult to score, both of them are putting everything into all of these punches, Fullmer is the more accurate, but Fernandez gets to press more which does make the difference in this kind of territory. I have them all square after four.

    Six is the first time they take their foot of the collective pedal and the slower pace probably favours Fullmer and his single shot and grab style. Interestingly, Fernandez starts to find him to the body in this round. Fullmer's defence is fascinating. It's like he wants to protect himself form punches, not hurt, like a video-game character he treats all punches equally, kinda. Just that wrap-around hunched defence that makes catching him clean to the body pretty difficult for someone like Fernandez.

    I scored Fullmer a close tenth to take a lead in the fight for the first time. He's probably less given to slowing down than Fernandez I suppose. Although he can lose that grasp on any given round because Fernandez is ready to throw and throw if he's given an in. After he takes the 11th with that wild right hand, just bangs them in, he's got a 2 round lead with 4 rounds remaining.

    Fernandez caught him though after breaking Fullmer's elbow in the fourteenth. Fullmer's entire right arm went numb and he was badly beaten in these rounds.

    So I have it 7-6-2 for Fernandez but no problem with the decision really.

    FULLMER:2,4,6,8,10,11,
    FERNANDEZ:1,3,5,7,12,14,15
    EVEN:9,13
     
  11. salsanchezfan

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    Miguel Lora UD12 Wilfredo Vasquez

    Nice fight. Brisk action, almost all of it in the pocket. Lora starts well, flooring Vasquez with a blistering hook in round 2, then Vasquez returns the favor in round four. I also have Vasquez taking the fifth, and at that point I have him ahead.

    Vasquez is kind of interesting to watch, because he sure gets a lot of mileage out of his style. He should be more vulnerable than he is, because for a little guy he is painfully slow and methodical. Seems to fight at one pace, which is reminiscent of Chinese water torture; he's always right there, applying just enough pressure to make things uncomfortable, throwing just enough punches to make scoring difficult, parrying and blocking just enough punches to keep things in question. He's always right there doing something while never really turning on the heat.

    At the end, Lora is just sharper, more effective with the jab, and his punches are shorter and more direct. Vasquez lands his share, but takes the longer route to get there, and I have Lora winning this one 7-4-1.

    Nice action fight.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Gene Fullmer UD15 Sugar Ray Robinson (One)

    Robinson just doesn't do much early, and for all that Fullmer's rushes are untidy they're enough to bag the first two rounds. His strategy seems to be to wait until he feels like he has the distance and then to rush in on Robinson, hitting two-handed to the body. It's good stuff and certainly the older Robinson isn't enjoying it very much but he wins the fourth with a cracking left hook and a great right uppercut to the heart. Doing a lot of holding though. He wins five as-well I reckon. But he's doing it on the gamble that he'll score a big punch when Fullmer is on his way in. I'm not scoring many of these weird looping chucks Fullmer is casting in behind Robinson's head.

    It's a great example this of how to make a better fighter uncomfortable every step of the way. But bless Robinson, I have him even after 12, 6-6, Robinson mixing enough hard punches in to Fullmer's rushes that he's hauled himself back into the contest winning the 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th straight. The problem is Fullmer looks like he could, crazily, eat these all night.

    Fullmer charged home though, and I thought nicked it 8-6-1.


    Fullmer:1,2,3,6,7,8,13,14.
    Robinson:4,5,9,10,11,12.
    Even:15.
     
  13. McGrain

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    Emile Griffith SD10 Denny Moyer, 1963

    Griffith probably nicks the first round with a nice right uppercut when they get inside which he lands both to body and head, Moyer is bleeding from the nose within seconds. Interestingly enough it's a right uppercut to the body that wins Moyer the second, a punch he is now throwing with frequency. There's an interesting balance between these two which is moderately dis-satisfying. They give each other enough room for a couple of muffled punches with their respective offences, but no more. Know each other too well maybe, this is their third fight.

    2-2 after four, I have Moyer taking the fourth with a bumper uppercut after Griffith spent the third and most of the fourth outworking him in the pocket. Griffith is going to win these rounds by default based upon his workrate inside, his superior accuracy, his busier jab and his just being more suited to the scruffy infighting, but Moyer has twice found a single punch to swing a round in his favour,because the rounds are close. How many good punches can he land?

    I actually didn't give Moyer another round until the ninth, but I had the fifth and the eighth even, which means if he wins the tenth he can pull out the draw. Griffith introduced his left-hook in the sixth and used it also in the seventh and Moyer, to me, looked like he had no answer to Griffith's different threats at this point, but he appears to have gassed. He looks damn tired and Moyer all of a sudden looks energetic, pushy and aggressive. He's outworked Griffith in the ninth, the first round he's done so in the fight.

    Griffith rallies well though - I had him pulling it out 5-3-2.

    GRIFFITH:1,3,6,7,10
    MOYER:2,4,9
    EVEN:5,8,
     
  14. McGrain

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    Emile Griffith UD10 Don Fullmer

    Fullmer should be throwing more jabs, his jab is pretty quick. Griffith, as always, is just doing enough to bank these rounds and no more. He shows lovely movement before he starts to tire just a little and Fullmer isn't doing anything to tire him.

    A fight looks like it might break out in the third after Griffith lands a cracking lead right and Fullmer grabs him and tries to bang him round the back of the head but it soon returns to the pattern of Griffith following and landing the occasional shot. Griffith looks a much better fighter when he chances the left-hook, and he starts to throw it in the fourth. Fullmer gets in on the action but he can't keep up at this pace either.

    Did Fullmer's swining counterpunches and Griffith's general lack of effort man Fullmer won the sixth? I rather think it did.

    Crowd are booing now; it can be seen why. Fullmer just grabbing and grabbing and pushing with his head. Doing a bad impression of his brother. Making a boring fight worse.

    Not good.

    GRIFFITH:1,2,3,4,5,7,8,10
    FULLMER:6,9


    How on earth did Fullmer ever beat Griffith in 1965?
     
  15. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Roman Martinez vs Orlando Salido II

    Live I didn't score it but assumed Salido won wide, had plenty to drink and during the fight the pizza came paid the driver set up the table so I missed the entirety of a few rounds.

    Watched this fight this morning by myself and no distractions, I saw a close fight this time..Havent been on the forum much to see the fallout saw a few threads posted about the robbery and in the RBR people were annoyed

    After 12 very good rounds I arrived at a draw, but believe me this fight is tough to score not straight forward and could be scored differently per view I would imagine

    I had a very similar score to Farhood, I didn't see his card for the 12th but thru 11 I had virtually the same card with 2 rounds changed

    Instead of Salido getting 4 and 6 I gave these rounds to Martinez. I thought 4 Martinez came out very strong wobbled Salido with a right down the middle and followed up only to fall on a slip. Salido to his credit recovered quickly and seemed to gain ground down the stretch of the round. He landed a big left hook but even so Martinez connected on a nice right to take back initiative

    I am pretty firm on the fourth to Martinez but it is a swing round. Round 6 has a strong case for Salido but after a very stationary fifth Martinez was mobile in the sixth and used a nice jab and left hook. Maybe I was swayed more by Martinez clean punches in space than Salido's inside dirty work in that round

    Going into 9 or 10 Farhood only had Martinez win 1 and 3. 1 and 3 to me are clear unarguable Martinez rounds. I had it even after the eighth round. Salido regained the lead after the ninth but I had Martinez take the next two and lead going into the last round.

    Round 12 was a difficult round for me to choose a winner, I don't know the official cards other than the totals. If I had to guess the last round probably decided the fight. A lot of rounds were pretty cut and dry so I have to imagine the judges got there in similar ways. Salido who looked spent in 10 and 11 had an energy spurt near the end of 11 after the 2 stoppages for tape. He came out for round 12 very aggressive as did Martinez and they exchanged well til the finish

    Martinez : 1,3,4,6,10,11

    Salido: 2,5,7,8,9,12

    114 to 114 Even

    The judges were 115-113 either way and a 11-114 score. I have to say I don't mind that scoring at all. I mean yes you can point to the stats and say well Salido out threw and out landed. But the fight is scored on a round by round basis both men landed good punches and had moments of success and adjustments and turns in momentum. I think each fighter has 6 rounds they have a solid case for

    If I had to go gut and raise a guys hand it would have to be Salido