the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. McGrain

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    Vernon Forrest UD12 Shane Mosley II

    Interesting first round although not much happens. Mosley burning loads of energy for no return; Forrest's jab not nearly as good as advertised but it's a blinder and that wonderful right benefits. Kind of sums up both men's problems as much as their strengths. Maybe a bit harsh on Forrest but I do think his "ramrod left" gets overrated. Mosley nicks the second on aggression and surge i think.

    I actually like Forrest's lead left hook better than his jab in this fight early, but I think Mosley nicks the third with three really good punches, one a left to the body, one a counter-right after Forrest throws a body punch and a single jab. Very little in all this. First time I've had Mosley ahead in the series.

    Mosley off to a nice lead after four! Forrest discouraged, Mosley countering quickly any moves he makes with a rushing hard punch, Forrest looks a little like he is not fancying it.

    By the end of seven though, Forrest is back in control. Mosley has ditched the right but Forrest just introduces the left, snappy, sometimes cuffing but always very clearly landing when it does land. With so many missed punches in a drab untidy fight, a punch like that makes the difference. Mosley just all at once looks pensive again like he's hearing a familiar song. 8-10 big big rounds.

    These guys are just swapping insecurities. 4-4 after 8. Forrest re-arranges nicely in the ninth and persisting with that left hook catches Mosley at mid-range, but i thought Mosley denanded the round with the quality ending, putting him one up with three remaining.

    10 and most of 11 are just boring nothing rounds with no fluidity and loads of grappling. It's not just Forrest this time, I think Mosley has decided he prefers being up close and clutched to hit with long punches outside. At the end of the eleventh, Forrest lands an array of hard punches to take the drawing side of the 6-5 going into the twelfth.

    Last round is shocking, boring. Nothing shown by either man. I've given it to Mosley, sadly, but it's drawn under any civilised system

    Forrest:1,6,7,8,10,11,
    Mosley:2,3,4,5,9,12

    I have it a 6-6 draw which is probably ok given that neither man deserved to win. Probably the worst fight i've scored for this thread.
     
  2. lufcrazy

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    I got bored watching Pac vs Bradley again. I had it 5-2 Pac after 7.

    Although I do see how it can be scored for Bradley considering how little Pac did for the first 2 minutes of every round.
     
  3. McGrain

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    Ricardo Mayorga UD12 Vernon Forrest

    Forrest wins the first round but looks disorganised, skittish, uncertain and repeatedly falls over onto the canvas for not much reason. Bambi on ice. Embarrassing performance. 3-1 Mayorga after four.

    I watched Mosley I, Mosley II, Mayorga I and now Mayorga two and the eighth of this fight is the first round of his boxing i've enjoyed for what he's done rather than just the opponent since the 12th round of the first Mosley fight. This is one career set I maybe shouldn't have bothered with. But he did box beautifully there and suddenly seems to have his balance back.

    Forrest boxes well in the ninth, too, but Mayorga lands meaningful right hands for the first time in a long time in the tenth...it's a very close round, they both land rights - but I like Mayorga, barely, which probably puts the fight beyond Forrest. I gave him the eleventh and twelfth though so i have it another draw. Probably Mayorga barely deserved it.

    Forrest:1,2,8,9,11,12
    Mayorga:2,3,4,5,6,10,

    6-6 Draw
     
  4. salsanchezfan

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    Robert Hines UD12 Matthew Hilton

    Hilton is fun to watch, I'll admit it, but Christ this guy has holes in his game. :lol: His left hook is spectacular, but his right hand is kind of an embarrassment. He throws it in a strange sort of corkscrew overhand fashion, where it appears he's throwing a baseball as a pitcher would when throwing it to the head, and it looks like he's chopping wood as he throws it to the body in a weird kind of sidearm slap. It's a fvcking hard slap, don't get me wrong, but one wonders how much more damaging a punch his right could have been had he straightened it out a bit. He detracts from its power by rotating his forearm at the end of the punch and he telegraphs the hell out of it.

    The fight opens with Hilton choosing spots to open up in furious bursts of power punches, and it pays off as he floors Hines along the ropes in round two and again in ring center at the close of the third with that weird, wild right. He is now sitting pretty having won all three rounds with two of them being 10-8. It goes downhill from there.

    Hines is rugged and wisely lets Hilton run himself down by expending huge amounts of energy with his flurries, then fighting back with short, chopping right hooks (southpaw) sand uppercuts inside. He doesn't put a lot on his punches, but he keeps Hilton off balance and scores points. Hilton, for his part, has no idea how to combat a foe who doesn't fall down from his power shots and between his power flurries he retreats into a shell, backing away with his hands up, momentarily punched out.

    The fight progresses this way but Hilton does less and less as the rounds mount, while Hines's confidence is buoyed, and he wins round after round, with the exception of the fifth, which could have gone his way, but I ended up giving to Hilton.

    From that point on, Hines wins every round, and by the 12th Hilton is so spent he spends the entirety of the round backing away and trying to maximize the distance between he and Hines. Seeing as it's still fairly close on the cards, it's an ignominious way for a champion to go out, but he just has nothing left. At the bell, Hilton seems to sense his title is gone and Hines is amazingly energized despite the bad swelling around his cheekbones and nose, which may have been broken early.

    114-112 Hines
     
  5. salsanchezfan

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    Azumah Nelson MD12 Marcos Villasana

    I remember there being some concern or controversy over this one, about how Villasana deserved better, but I can't see it. I thought Nelson won clearly.

    Villasana comes out strong while Nelson bides his time, unconcerned. Villasana takes the first two with the higher work rate before Nelson untracks and sharpens his punches. He had been countering in the first two frames more, but decides to take the initiative in round three as he finds Villasana a willing target (and holy hell what a chin!). Round four is electric, one long toe-to-toe exchange, great stuff. Nelson gets on his bike again after that and pecks away then bombs away, fighting and dancing as he pleases more or less.

    Not a great fight, but entertaining here and there.

    Nelson: 3,4,5,6,8,9,10,12
    Villasana: 1,2,7,11

    116-112 Nelson
     
  6. swagdelfadeel

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  7. McGrain

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    Kid Gavilan SD15 Billy Graham

    Good start from Graham on the cards, 2-1 up after through, although in reality all three rounds are desperately close. It's hard to see what it is about Graham that so troubles Gavilan, and i'm kind of just waiting for Gavilan to step up his game and master Graham. Sure, Graham's left is nice, and sure he moves, but then he stops - lots of the fighting is done without Gavilan having to pay to corner his man, or trick him. Graham just does better in the rounds he wins, finding a lovely two-piece to the mid-section followed by a cuffing right to mark himself out in the first, and a one-two at mid-range to do so in the second. In the third, I thought Gavilan took advantage of a more aggressive Graham to edge the round, interesting to see what happens next.

    KG did the better infighitng and jabbing in the fourth, the fifth had a log of fun action and some missing and I couldn't separate them; I gave Gavilan the sixth barely so he's in the lead for the first time. I find every round hard to score - I didn't find seven hard to score; that's KG's with the left hand. This means Graham hasn't won a round since the second...

    He finally takes the ninth on my card with some of the best punches of the fight and maybe does the best work in the tenth to liven up proceedings.

    A gorgeous right-left-right with the opening right to the pit of the stomach makes it through in a row and all tied at 5-5-1 in the eleventh. Great surge against world class opposition. The twelfth feels huge and they both fight like hell in it - I think Graham nicks this one too, barely and almost, though I think scoring this one even - or the other way based upon those lashing right hands to the body - is reasonable. Real swing round, real big round. KG hasn't won one since the 8th.

    Gavilan finally stops the rot on my card in an arguable fourteenth that could be scored any one of three ways. Fifteenth is for all the marbles.

    Give Graham his due: he out-brawled KG for those final three minutes and it was beautiful. For all that Graham looked a tiny bit more faded, he bit down and went for it and in tandem with two surge-stopping right hands took the round and the fight on my card.

    Robbery? Crowd sounds like they saw one. Then again they booed KG when he shimmied and they booed KG when he didn't land rabbit punches. But I think Graham probably deserved the nod, just about.

    GAVILAN:3,4,6,7,8,14,
    GRAHAM:1,2,9,10,11,12,13,15
    EVEN:5

    8-6-1 Graham
     
  8. KO KIDD

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    Haven't seen this in a few years

    All I remember was Forrest fighting in fear of Mayorgas power only to come on late but way behind
     
  9. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    I never revisited it, all I can recall is Shane holding a lot seemingly unwilling to exchange with Forrest and taste the power

    I thought he lost a clear one
     
  10. zadfrak

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    Man, those Hilton's, huh?

    What a ton of $$$ this result cost him. His name was being mentioned by the big players and they would have tore him up. Much worse than Bam Bam Hines did. when was the last time hines name was ever mentioned around here anyway?
     
  11. salsanchezfan

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    Carmen Basilio UD10 Gaspar Ortega


    Basilio is just a good bargain. Action, skill, lots of fights against excellent opposition, you name it. A treasure trove of fights to pick apart or just enjoy as a fan.

    I made a point of looking up this fight on Boxrec to see how many fights Basilio had left after this, and indeed it was right at the end of his career, early 1961. He'd been through the wringer, but he still had something left here. This was after the Fullmer blowouts, so I guess one has to chalk up those bad losses to Basilio simply being outsized and just running into a bigger, younger, stronger guy in Fullmer. He was just too much to overcome physically.

    And it also is worth noting that according to Boxrec, Basilio did outweigh his opponent here by nine and a haklf punds, 159 to 149 1/2. That makes sense, as Ortega was a natural welter.

    Ortega makes a good go of it, letting Basilio in and trying to counter flurry. The problem here is that he's not particularly slick and doesn't hit real hard. Ortega is more of a well-schooled boxer-puncher with a ridiculous chin who will simply outwork you. He's always in close fights because he's always right there, throwing leather and taking whatever you have to dish out. He's great fun to watch too.

    Anyway, they trade rounds through four, and then Basilio breaks the deadlock in round five, allowing him to creep ahead by a round. All the rounds are close, and Ortega does very well to stay with the bigger man punch for punch. Basilio scores with the odd right lead but mostly hooks off the jab, as Ortega scores with his own cuffing rights and uppercuts. Neither fighter is hurt, and they trade evenly until the bell.

    All three judges had this at 6-4 for Basilio, but I had it 5-5, a draw. Both fighjters deserve credit; Basilio for hanging with a younger world-class fighter just coming into his own, and Ortega for going toe-to-toe with a much bigger man and keeping it close.

    Excellent fight, and real close.
     
  12. McGrain

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    Benny Paret SD15 Emile Griffith

    Very good, very even opening two rounds. Love Griffiths jab uppercut combo in the second and his narrow double-uppercut just past halfway. IN the first, Paret is busier with both hands, brave and sure.

    Griffith shows everything that is good at him in the third, varied distances, shifting styles, epic balance and although Paret isn't a 100 miles behind him you can see that he won't be able to keep up with him on this kind of form; it doesn't sustain itself though through the first half of the fourth where Griffith wants to come inside and sort of slide, but Paret catches him - at the end of that round though, Griffith launches a hideous bone-rattling body attack inside, occasionally taking advantage of Paret's descending gloves to fire shots upstairs. 3-1 is a handy lead. Paret closes the gap in the fifth though, fast-handed out of clinches and reclaiming the left hand he threatened to dominate with in the first. Good, competitive first third.

    Round six is a great, great round, Paret begins by beating his man to the punch, but Griffith just bends his back and set himself to the mill. He's an expert in what I call "bricking a guy up", just using superior strength to push his man back inside while simultaneously working and working. At first Paret is landing the crisper stuff - of course - but he just can't match Griffiths's workrate. He moves him back and back and back and at the very end of the round Paret crumbles and Griffith lands enough hard shots to take the round. Masterclass in hustling, masterclass.

    Speaking of hustle, Paret shows plenty of his own making it 5-5 after ten going on a three round run in 7,8 and 9 using tight movement and sharp, fast punching. Griffith has that invaluable habit though of winning crucial rounds, the tenth is one and they're all even going into 11. Another crucial round, another one banked by the champ, mainly on account of a seemingly endless fountain of uppercuts.

    Down the stretch, Griffith just about outworked Paret I thought and deserved the nod, but really, this was a wonderful ebb and flow that nobody deserved to lose. Great fight.

    Paret:1,5,7,8,9,13
    Griffith:2,3,4,6,10,11,12,14,15

    9-6 Griffith.
     
  13. Brutal_Art

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    I have just watched Sugar Ray Leonard's 20th win, a win over a fighter called Gant. A mediocre performance by Leonard who was very flat footed {for him} and struggled to land with much significance. However when he got Gant hurt the finish was brilliant. What a killer instinct he had. His combination of hooks and uppercut's was mesmorising.
     
  14. McGrain

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    Ike Quartey KO11 Cristano Espana

    Snappy two-handed body attack from Espana in the first. He's underrated old Espana, shame as this is his only loss. Ike takes his turn to snap through the second. Warms up real nice in the third.

    Both these guys have disciplined guards but come a little square across their front foot, looking to work. It lends itself to violence, that attitude.

    Quartey clearly outworked in the first third, although he has his moments, the first, and a right to the beltline in the fourth that makes Espana a little unsure. He has success in the fifth, too, a round I thought he shaded despite failing to prevent Espana to work to his full volume.

    Espana has a thudding, insisting sixth, he reminds of Esparragoza in this round. Keeping his nose in front. It's a very good mix of styles. Qaurtey is accurate, controlled, wants to build, disciplined. Espana is also disciplined but he edges more to work-rate and controlled aggression. It makes for a lot of exchanges and close rounds.

    After 8 though, I have Quartey in need of a KO. Maybe the pace necessary to stay on top is hurting Espana though, in combination with Ike's insistent accuracy because I have Ike taking 9 and 10. He's just getting hit Espana, where he has to work a lot harder to land the same/more leather. He's not crumbling, there's no real foreshadowing of the KO, he's just giving ground, working a little less.

    It's yet another snapping, pin-point right hand that sets Espana going and although the follow up is interrupted by the referee for a standing eight, I think reasonably as Espana was tangled in the ropes, the finish was surgical and deadly.

    ESPANA:1,3,4,6,7,8,
    QUARTEY:2,5,9,10,

    So I have Espana ahead, but Quartey on the surge at the time of the stoppage. Very, very good fight.
     
  15. LittleRed

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    Quartey had loads of talent and heavy, heavy hands. But he was one of those guys, like Tua, that the parts were greater than the sum.

    I think watching him nearly kill vince Phillips may be my favorite performance of his. Haven't seen the esplanade fight I a while though.