the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Re-posting this one. I would love to see anyone else's opinion on this. It was very controversial at the time and I truly believe it was quite the setup for Ocasio to get his title shot at Holyfield for the cruiser title. ocasio had done next to nothing to deserve a shot and this fight was the deal breaker. I remember Pacheco screaming he had all 10 rounds for Qawi and just now, reading on boxrec, it was so bad that Qawi retained his #1 rating and the Nevada Commission would offer no comment on the decision. I felt it was rank.

Here's a controversial one for you. Dwight Muhammad Qawi against Ossie Ocasio - 10 rounds. Note to self: If watching it, use your own judgement and don't be swayed by Ferdie Pacheco.

Round 1: 10-9 Ocasio
Round 2: 10-9 Qawi
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Qawi
Round 5: 10-9 Qawi
Round 6: 10-9 Ocasio
Round 7: 10-9 Qawi
Round 8: 10-9 Ocasio
Round 9: 10-9 Qawi
Round 10: 10-9 Qawi

97-94 Qawi

 

Interestingly the American judge Nicky Pope scored 7 rounds even. I've seen this fight more than anyone and I think dad definitely slowed Harada down with the body shots which I don't think people really pick up on. Harada was great at taking rests and then fighting in bursts that obviously caught the judges eye and the crowds eye. I'm not complaining about the result, dad even said that he might of showed Harada a bit too much respect and left things a bit late. He was a bit concerned about going 15 rounds but had no trouble with it in the end. Peter Wilson at ringside scored it to dad by one round. He said he didn't give Harada a round after the 10th though scored the 13th even. He said dad's scything body shots were really taking their toll on Masahiko but like you say he was landing good head shots towards the end of rounds. Dad said it was mentally a tough fight as he had to keep his wits about him at all times. Harada said dad was the fastest fighter he'd fought and trying to catch him cleanly was like trying to catch a fish in deep water It's a shame they never had a return. It was on the cards for England but the McGowan fight scuppered it, a fight all the press thought dad won. He really was in great form through 66 and the Harada fight had been a great experience for him.

 

Still haven't seen this, I'll have to have a look for it.

 

Just watched it and I had Legra winning 143-141.
Round 1 10-9 Legra
Round 2 !0-9 Legra
Round 3 !0-8 Legra legit knockdown in a round he was winning anyway.
Round 4 !0-9 Jofre
Round 5 9-9 Legra deducted a point
Round 6 !0-9 Legra
Round 7 !0-10
Round 8 !0-9 Legra
Round 9 10-9 Legra
Round 10 10-9 Legra
Round 11 10-10
Round 12 10-9 Jofre
Round 13 10-9 Jofre
Round 14 10-9 Jofre Jofre hurt in this round but came back well from it to nick it from a tired and sloppy Legra
Round 15 !0-8 Jofre Legra deducted a point

I thought Legra got off to a great start. Some of those mid rounds and maybe early rounds Jofre was slipping shots but couldn't capitalize because he couldn't set himself. Legra's jab was the story of the fight at this stage. Legra was constantly moving or tying him up. I thought there was a lot of rough stuff going on particularly the head from Legra as you would expect with two world class pros with so much experience. I was a getting worried watching it where Jofre was going to catch up having only read about it and seen the score cards. Jofre did come back and started capitalizing from round about the 10th or 11th, the constant pressure started taking it's toll on Jose with all that movement and concentration he'd had to put in. The last 5 rounds were all Jofre though he was hurt to the body in the 14th. I thought he came back from that well and Legra was flagging by the end of it. It was a close one. I noticed during the fight which was the Spanish version that Pedro Carrasco had Jofre 4 points up at one point but scored a draw in the end. It sounded like the Marca had Legra had 2 points up and the third Spanish Ideal had Jofre. Nevertheless it was a close fight with plenty of rounds open to interpretation and it did look like a bantamweight against a featherweight. I thought Brazilian judge Newton Campos's scorecard was incredible 148-143 Jofre but checked him out and saw he gave Pernell Whitaker only 2 rounds in the Jose Luis Ramirez fight. For me overall, the early rounds Legra outworked Jofre.

 

Al, I think you had a great card. I'm glad to see someone appreciates good boxing as well as slugging. I have another one for you to look at if you get a chance. The bantamweight title fight between Bernardo Pinango and Frankie Duarte over 15 rounds. The only issue was the 8th and 9th rounds on the youtube telecast. It showed about the first 2 minutes of the 8th and the last 2 minutes of the 9th. I didn't even know what happened until I realized I was a round behind. However, there is more than one vid of that fight out there and I managed to see the 9th in its entirety on another vid, but not the 8th, so I had to take a leap of faith on the remaining unseen minute. Anyways, hope you enjoy.

Round 1: 10-9 Pinango
Round 2: 9-9 Even (I scored for Pinango but he lost a point for a low blow)
Round 3: 10-9 Duarte
Round 4: 10-8 Duarte (Pinango loses another point for a low blow)
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Pinango
Round 7: 10-9 Pinango
Round 8: 10-9 Duarte (shortened round which I scored even but Pinango loses yet another point for a low blow)
Round 9: 10-9 Pinango
Round 10: 10-9 Duarte
Round 11: 10-9 Pinango
Round 12: 10-8 Duarte (Duarte scores a knockdown)
Round 13: 10-10 Even
Round 14: 10-9 Duarte
Round 15: 10-10 Even

Total: 144-141 Duarte

Duarte got robbed IMO! The WBA brought in their own latin judges and I felt ripped Frankie off. I cannot make a case with the points deducted plus the knockdown on how one could have given this to Pinango. I think what really sticks with me is how two of them had it comfortably for Pinango, not even close. I'd love to hear anyone else's take on this. I had several even/swing rounds so maybe I'm off. I think Raging Bull scored this fight awhile back and had it a draw. Anyways, if you guys give it a go, I hope you like it.

 

I will watch that Scar within the next couple of days and get back to you on it with my findings.

 

Great fight! I thought Frankie won as well. I had it 143-141 to Duarte.

My scorecard read
Round 1 Pinango 10-9
Round 2 Even 9-9 Pinango deducted a pt
Round 3 Duarte 10-9
Round 4 Duarte 10-8 Pinango deducted a pt
Round 5 Pinango 10-9
Round 6 Pinango 10-9
Round 7 Pinango 10-9
Round 8 Duarte 10-9
Round 9 Duarte 10-9
Round 10 even 10-10
Round 11 Duarte 10-9
Round 12 Duarte !0-8 knockdown
Round 13 Pinango 10-9
Round 14 Pinango 10-9
Round 15 Even 10-10

A lot of close rounds, if it wasn't for the deductions i'd of had it even but I'd like to have seen the judges scorecards.
Duarte reminds of British bantamweight champ Johnny Clark, tall, kept coming forward, could be hit on the way in and banged up but iron chinned and iron willed and was involved in lots of wars of attrition. They could both punch as well. Johnny was on the verge of challenging Rafael Herrera for the bantamweight title when his wars caught up with him and he had to retire due to a detached retina. He's worth having a look at Scar, there is film on youtube available. I've got several of his fights but unfortunately I'm not at liberty to upload them I was asked not to.

 

Wow, we really saw this fight similar. Back then the WBA really took care of a lot of the Latin based fighters. Especially Venezuela, Panama and Puerto Rican. I should also mention Argentina if you recall what went on in the Juan Martin Coggi - Eder Gonzalez fight. What a travesty that was. Regarding Johnny Clark, I remember him well. I recall reading up on his bout with Franco Zurlo at the time and about the aborted Rafael Herrera fight. What a pity. Lined up for a title fight only to have it aborted.

 

I've got the Zurlo Clark fight, Johnny got off to a great start but Zurlo came back late, a real war!

 

Here is a fight that doesn't get much attention but was on the tip of everyone's tongue in Britain back in the day. The first fight between Chris Eubank and Nigel Benn. Good fight.

Round 1: 10-9 Eubank
Round 2: 10-9 Eubank (Benn was winning this round on my card until Chris hurt him late in the round and then followed up well. Enough to nick the round.)
Round 3: 10-9 Benn
Round 4: 10-9 Benn
Round 5: 10-9 Eubank
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Benn
Round 8: 10-8 Benn (Benn scores a knockdown)
Round 9: Eubank stops Benn with about 10 seconds to go in the round

Total through 8 completed rounds: 77-75 Benn

Actual scores were 2 officials scoring 76-75 for Benn and the third official scoring it 76-75 Eubank. Good tough, close fight between two guys who really hated each other.

 

John Conteh v Jesse Burnett

Round 1: Burnett (scored a knockdown)
Round 2: Burnett
Round 3: Conteh
Round 4: Even
Round 5: Conteh
Round 6: Conteh
Round 7: Burnett
Round 8: Burnett (scored a knockdown)
Round 9: Conteh
Round 10: Burnett

Al, perhaps you can help me on this one or anyone else who has a better handle of the British scoring system than I (which is most people). In rounds I had it 5-4-1 Burnett, but I'm not sure of British scoring on knockdowns. Gibbs did have it 98 1/2 to 98 1/2. My question is, is that the 10-9 3/4 point system and is extra points scored for a knockdown? Burnett did appear to be robbed if the scoring system is flexible enough to recognize the knockdowns. Very curious on this one.

 

I think I wanna watch Kovalev vs Ward again and Golovkin vs Canelo again.

Don't know if I will but they're the first fights I've wanted to re watch since my 100 fight epic.