the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

McGrain, your viewing of Chandler-Murata had me thinking of Murata against Lupe Pintor. Here is how I had it.

Round 1: 10-9 Murata
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Pintor
Round 4: 10-9 Murata
Round 5: 10-9 Pintor
Round 6: 10-9 Murata
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Pintor
Round 9: 10-9 Murata
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 Pintor
Round 12: 10-10 Even
Round 13: 10-9 Pintor
Round 14: 10-9 Pintor
Round 15: 10-9 Murata

Total: 145-144 Pintor

Guys, what a fight! I recall seeing a clip back in the day of Murata against Chandler and I though he was just a big slapping type puncher, but seeing him in this fight in its entirety I have changed my tune. More of a clubbing puncher, but what heart. I felt like an Asian judge with all my even rounds, but you'll see what I'm talking about when you see this. An ebb and flow, a give and take that you won't believe. I didn't believe Pintor was in control until the 14th round, but then Murata actually came back to win the 15th on my card. I won't be surprised if anyone has differing rounds to me because they were all so close, but enjoyable. A really good fight and I have no problem with the draw decision.

 

I've flipped back and forth on this one over the years. Pintor has had issues with the boxer, but his workrate down the stretch is unbelievable and few could keep with the pace. Chandler was able to contain the rampaging Gaby Canizalez, who probably had the closest style to Pintor that Chandler had faced. I would see this as Jeff getting off to that fast start as Pintor had a very slow start, but Lupe coming on in the second half working those glaring ribs of Jeff. Slightly, I would say Jeff. But ask me next week and I may say different. I think it would be that tight. And we were the big losers that we never got to see that bout.

 

In light of the recent anniversary of this great fight, I scored the FOTC.

This was scored on NY's rounds basis. A very flawed system because it prevents you from giving Joe extra points for the 11th and 15th rounds. Unless the fight is scored even, in which then it allows supplemental points, but only if it is even. It's like a tie-breaker, but employed with major flaws.

Round 1: Ali
Round 2: Ali
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Ali
Round 5: Frazier
Round 6: Frazier
Round 7: Even
Round 8: Frazier
Round 9: Ali
Round 10: Ali
Round 11: Frazier
Round 12: Frazier
Round 13: Frazier
Round 14: Ali
Round 15: Frazier

Total: 7-6-2 Frazier

I watched the Don Dunphy version, which remarkably enough had Burt Lancaster and Archie Moore doing color commentary. Lancaster was even up in the ring afterwards with a microphone. But regardless, a great fight.

 

Here are a couple of Albert Davila bouts. Against Carlos Zarate for the bantam title and his second bout with Frankie Duarte.

I loved watching Davila. Such beautiful combinations. I think he made a tactical error with the slow first two rounds. Zarate was a slow starter and that was the time to jump on him. Not crazily but to start firing those pinpoint combos through Zarate's guard when he was still loosening up. Oh, well, easy for me to say.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Davila
Round 3: 10-9 Davila
Round 4: 10-9 Davila
Round 5: 10-9 Zarate
Round 6: 10-9 Zarate
Round 7: 10-9 Zarate
Round 8: Fight stopped by ringside physician after Davila rose from a knockdown with a severe cut.

Total (through 7 completed rounds): 67-67 Even

The fight had really swung towards Zarate and the end looked inevitable. But one great effort by Davila against a great and feared champ.



The second bout between Albert Davila and Frankie Duarte. Man, what a fast-paced bout. Over before I knew it. 10 point must system in effect.

Round 1: 10-9 Duarte
Round 2: 10-9 Davila
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-8 Davila (Davila scores a knockdown)
Round 5: 10-9 Davila
Round 6: 10-9 Duarte
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Duarte
Round 9: 10-9 Davila
Round 10: Bout stopped due to a cut on Davila's left eye

Total through 9 completed rounds: 88-85 Davila

Can't say enough about this fight. Loved it when it took place and loved watching it again. Davila felt hard done by as the cut was apparently from a butt earlier in the fight. But fortunes kept changing in this bout to the point where it was still anybodys and I would have loved seeing it to the end. Great fight.
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I'm on a real Boza Edwards kick today. Here are a few.

The Boza-Edwards-Roberto Elizondo 10 rounder. All 3 fights are under the 10 point must system. This first fight is something else.

Round 1: 10-9 Elizondo
Round 2: 10-9 Elizondo - I saw the first portion of the round and the last portion. A power failure in the arena took out the action in between. I felt Elizondo controlled what I did see and the announcer stated that Elizondo really 'sparkled' that round. So I had to take a leap of faith.
Round 3: 10-9 Boza
Round 4: 10-9 Boza
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Boza
Round 8: 10-9 Elizondo
Round 9: 10-9 Boza
Round 10: 10-9 Boza

Total: 97-95 Boza Edwards

This fight was amazing. Fought at break neck speed and phonebooth warfare. Rounds 8, 9 & 10 were incredible, but actually, every round was.


Cornelius Boza-Edwards v Guy Villegas. It would remind you of Boza against John Verderosa. A young hotshot trying to take down the veteran, only the veteran had just too much in the tank. Villegas was all speed and got off to a great start.

Round 1: 10-9 Villegas
Round 2: 10-9 Villegas
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Boza
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Villegas
Round 7: TKO for Boza

Total: (through 6 completed rounds) 59-57 Villegas

Although I had Villegas up at the end, never at any time would one get the feeling that Villegas could last. But still a good contrast in the speed of Villegas against the power of Boza. I think you guys will enjoy this one.


Here is his 10 rounder with Rocky Lockridge. BTW, I met them both at Caesar's a few days before the fight. Super nice guys.

Round 1: 10-8 Edwards (scored a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 5: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 6: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 7: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 8: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 9: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 10: 10-9 Lockridge

Total 98-93 Lockridge

Despite what appears to be dominance by Lockridge, every round was competitive. Two great warriors in action.

 

Jeff Chandler was always one of my favorites, nothing to flashy but still beautiful to watch imo.

 

George Groves 40 | 35 Di Luisa ATOS
Chris Eubank Jr. 90 | 81 Nick Blackwell ATOS
Demetrius Andrade 110 | 97 Willie Nelson ATOS
Darleys Perez 112 | 114 Anthony Crolla
George Groves 117 | 111 Martin Murray
Tom Stalker 99 | 90 Antonio Joao Benton
Sergey Kovalev 115 | 112 Isaac Chilemba
George Groves 119 | 108 Glen Johnson
Dereck Chisora 40 | 36 Edmund Gerber ATOS
Zou Shiming 100 | 89 Jozsef Ajtai
Tyson Fury 80 | 71 Christian Hammer ATOS
Ruslan Chagaev 86 | 84 Lucas Browne ATOS
Stuart Hall 116 | 111 Vusi Malinga
Lee Haskins 116 | 112 Stuart Hall
Rocky Fielding 113 | 114 Christopher Rebrasse
Dominic Breazeale 95 | 95 Fred Kassi
Ruslan Chagaev 116 | 112 Nikolai Valuev
Anthony Joshua 58 | 56 Dillian Whyte ATOS
Jack Catterall 68 | 63 Tom Stalker ATOS
Shane Mosley 111 | 116 David Avanesyan
Jack Catterall 118 | 110 Joe Hughes
Joseph Parker 116 | 112 Carlos Takam
Andre Berto 26 | 30 Victor Oritz 2 ATOS
Andre Berto 45 | 50 Josesito Lopez ATOS
Arthur Abraham 70 | 63 Tim Robin Lihaug ATOS
Frank Buglioni 96 | 94 Lee Markham
John Molina Jr. 117 | 111 Ruslan Provodnikov
Arthur Abraham 114 | 113 Martin Murray
Tony Bellew 18 | 19 Ilunga Makabu ATOS
Errol Spence Jr. 50 | 45 Leonard Bundu ATOS
Jermell Charlo 65 | 68 John Jackson ATOS
Rau'shee Warren 114 | 114 Juan Carlos Payano 2
Gary O'Sullivan 64 | 69 Chris Eubank Jr. ATOS
Jack Dempsey 30 | 24 Jess Willard ATOS
Jack Dempsey 28 | 28 Georges Carpentier ATOS
Jack Dempsey 90 | 100 Gene Tunney 1
Jack Dempsey 55 | Jack Sharkey 59 ATOS
Jack Dempsey 90 | 98 Gene Tunney 2
Jack Sharkey 30 | 27 Max Schmeling 1 ATODQ
Tony Canzoneri 143 | 142 Kid Chocolate
Jack Sharkey 141 | 144 Max Schmeling 2
Max Baer 107 | 90 Primo Carnera ATOS
Joe Louis 50 | 45 Primo Carnera ATOS
Joe Louis 30 | 25 Max Baer ATOS
Joe Louis 103 | 105 Max Schmeling 1 ATOS
Joe Louis 20 | 16 Jack Sharkey ATOS
Joe Louis 40 | 34 Al Ettore ATOS
Joe Louis 100 | 90 Bob Pastor 1
Joe Louis 68 | 64 Jim Braddock ATOS
Joe Louis 145 | 140 Tommy Farr
Joe Louis 19 | 18 Nathan Mann ATOS
Barney Ross 137 | 148 Henry Armstrong
Joe Louis 10 | 6 Max Schmeling 2 ATOS
Lou Ambers 138 | 141 Henry Armstrong 2
Joe Louis 99 | 87 Bob Pastor 2 ATOS
Joe Louis 145 | 140 Arturo Godoy 1
Joe Louis 10 | 6 Johnny Paycheck ATOS
Joe Louis 70 | 62 Arturo Godoy 2 ATOS
Joe Louis 49 | 45 Al McCoy ATOS
Joe Louis 120 | 108 Abe Simon ATOS
Joe Louis 80 | 71 Tony Musto ATOS
Joe Louis 58 | 52 Buddy Baer ATODQ
Joe Louis 112 | 116 Billy Conn 1 ATOS
Joe Louis 50 | 45 Lou Nova ATOS
Joe Louis 50 | 43 Abe Simon 2 ATOS

Will post the rest later.

 

rorschach51's scores for Dempsey:

Jack Dempsey 30 | 24 Jess Willard ATOS
Jack Dempsey 28 | 28 Georges Carpentier ATOS
Jack Dempsey 90 | 100 Gene Tunney 1
Jack Dempsey 55 | Jack Sharkey 59 ATOS
Jack Dempsey 90 | 98 Gene Tunney 2

I pretty much agree, though I think Dempsey was ahead vs Carpentier before the stoppage 2-1-1. There is a debate if Carpentier hurt Dempsey in round two, with solid right to the jaw. While Carpentier hit above his listed 168 pounds, he wasn't a true heavyweight hitter.

 

Carmen Basilio v Johnny Saxton I

Always wanted to see this one. My Dad attended this one in Chicago Stadium and always said Basilio was robbed. The film is not too shabby at all. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Basilio
Round 2: 10-9 Basilio
Round 3: 10-9 Basilio
Round 4: 10-9 Basilio
Round 5: 10-9 Basilio
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Saxton
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Basilio
Round 11: 10-9 Saxton
Round 12: 10-9 Saxton
Round 13: 10-9 Saxton
Round 14: 10-9 Basilio
Round 15: 10-9 Basilio

Total: 146-142 Basilio

Dad was right. I believe Basilio's bodywork had to be ignored in this one for the judges to go unanimously for Saxton.

 

Here is the first fight between Emile Griffith and Benny (Kid) Paret. At times both these fighters shone, but then it would go into some heavy mauling. Griffith was best from the outside but would always get sucked into the inside where Paret was very strong and really liked working the body. I haven't seen a lot on Paret but he would have been a handful for anyone. Anyways, 10 point must system in effect.

Round 1: 10-9 Paret
Round 2: 10-9 Paret
Round 3: 10-9 Griffith
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Griffith
Round 6: 10-9 Paret
Round 7: 10-10 Even (mauling)
Round 8: 10-9 Paret
Round 9: 10-9 Griffith
Round 10: 10-10 Even (Paret was winning the round until Griffith hurt him towards the end of the round)
Round 11: 10-9 Griffith
Round 12: 10-9 Griffith
Round 13: Griffith KO's Paret

Total through 12 rounds: 116-115 Griffith

So many of these rounds are so close that this was anyone's fight. Even those last two rounds that I gave Griffith - the 11th and 12th - so close. No one had really gained an advantage over the other. If anyone else had it for Paret until this point I would give a thumbs up because it was up in the air. Incidentally, the officials cards through 12 were one for Paret, one for Griffith and the last one even.

 

Here's one more to have fun with, the Gerrie Coetzee-Renaldo Snipes bout fought in NY back in the early '80s. I know I felt Coetzee was robbed then, but now I put pen to paper. The thing is, this is NY rules, which was a rounds basis so it isn't like we can score a round 10-8 if there is a knockdown. It's just a winning round. So here we go.

Round 1: Coetzee (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: Coetzee
Round 3: Coetzee
Round 4: Coetzee (scores a knockdown)
Round 5: Snipes
Round 6: Even
Round 7: Coetzee
Round 8: Snipes
Round 9: Even
Round 10: Even

Total: 5-2-3 Coetzee

Rounds 6, 9 & 10 I scored even as they became sloppy and mauling. It was near impossible to pick anyone out that would be deserving of those rounds and I never like to choose on the basis of 'finding it necessary' to pick someone excelling in a non-deserving instance. So there you have it. Anyone else see this one?

 

Antonio Cervantes vs. Wilfredo Benitez

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Benitez
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Benitez
Round 5: 10-9 Cervantes
Round 6: 10-9 Benitez
Round 7: 10-9 Benitez
Round 8: 10-9 Benitez
Round 9: 10-9 Cervantes
Round 10: 10-9 Cervantes
Round 11: 10-9 Benitez
Round 12: 10-9 Cervantes
Round 13: 10-9 Cervantes
Round 14: 10-9 Benitez
Round 15: 10-10 Even

145-143 Benitez

I found this to be a difficult fight to score. Depending on how one scores a fight has a lot to do with this. Do you prefer a light-tapping point gaining type of boxing (Benitez) or a lesser work rate with more oomph in the shots (Cervantes). I like good clean punching and this one straddled the fence for me and I found that I had to keep my concentration at the Nth degree for this one.