the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Scar, looks like we don't differ tremendously on their first fight. We're a point off; on the 10-point must, looks like you would have had that a draw if my math is correct. Pretty close fight, I have to say.

 

Ummm, no, I think it reads 95-94 on the 10 point must. Maybe what the old writer said to me really is true about the benefit of the old California system. Less math.

 

Nope; my math was bad, you're right. We both had it 95-94 Patterson then.

 

Sal, did you give the rematch a try? It is worth it. One thing about the Patterson-Quarry styles is that they gelled nicely, just like Patterson-Chuvalo.

 

I need to carve out some time to do that; it is indeed an interesting meshing of styles.

 

Here's one that doesn't get much attention but is well worth seeing. Alexis Arguello vs Jose Luis Ramirez over 10 rounds. Great fight. Ramirez never fought a better fight. He was so very busy which countered Arguello's bombs throughout. I had it close enough where one couldn't gripe too much, but here we go. 10 point must system.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Arguello
Round 3: 10-9 Ramirez
Round 4: 10-9 Arguello
Round 5: 10-9 Ramirez
Round 6: 10-8 Ramirez (Ramirez scores a knockdown)
Round 7: 10-9 Arguello
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Arguello
Round 10: 10-9 Ramirez

Total: 96-95 Ramirez

 

Here's another one might want to check out for a bit of controversy. The first Wilfredo Benitez - Bruce Curry fight. Here we go, not a hard fight to score, but it is scored on NY's rounds basis. And there is the controversy.

Round 1: Curry
Round 2: Benitez
Round 3: Curry
Round 4: Curry (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 5: Curry (scores a knockdown)
Round 6: Benitez
Round 7: Benitez
Round 8: Even
Round 9: Benitez
Round 10: Benitez

Total: 5-4-1 Benitez.

NY had a supplemental system in use if a judge scored a bout even. If there was a dominant round, one could use extra points, but again, I believe that they could only be employed by the judge if he scored the bout even. The 10 point must system gives one more latitude rather than a simple round basis, which hurts a fighter who had a dominant round. If a 10 point must system was employed, then I would have had Curry the winner with a score of 95-93.

 

Mayweather-Pacquiao: I didn't watch this fight in 2015 because I knew Mayweather would win & the fight should've happened years earlier when both were in their primes.

Anyway, I only gave Pacquaio rounds 4, 6 and 10, gave Mayweather the rest although the final round was so devoid of action it could've gone either way.

Mayweather was more accurate, more effective & controlled the range. Pacquaio didn't throw with enough speed or volume to trouble Floyd, pretty comfortable win in the end. If Marquez & Morales (1st fight) gave Pacman serious problems, he was always going to find it tough getting through Floyd's defence.

 

Roberto Duran v Esteban Dejesus III

Magnificent fight. I know the first time I saw it I had Duran ahead, but I recall reading one of the wire services had DeJesus ahead, so thought it was worth another look-see. These two were at their 135 best.

Round 1: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Duran
Round 5: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 6: 10-9 Duran
Round 7: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 8: 10-9 Duran
Round 9: 10-9 Duran
Round 10: 10-9 Duran
Round 11: 10-9 Duran
Round 12: Duran stops DeJesus

Total through 11 completed rounds: 107-104 Duran

Razor sharp combos galore back and forth and all rounds close and competitive.

 

Just got done watching Buchanan-Laguna II from MSG. Good if not great fight, far more one-sided than I thought it would be. Laguna, for all his very real speed and anxiousness, is not very good defensively, and gets nailed repeatedly once Buchanan decides to open up. Ken seems to do so as a response to his left eye beginning to swell to gargoylesque proportions as early as the second round, though it seems to get no worse after that.

The Scot steps on the gas after that and nearly runs the tables, repeatedly outscoring Laguna in a sloppy though active display of lunging, reaching, scrapping and flurrying. Either Ken hits not too hard or Laguna has a ridiculous chin, as the Panamanian is repeatedly tagged flush with terrible shots only to briefly sag and then fire back. Enormous display of heart either way, but he was comprehensively outgunned by Buchanan.

1. Buchanan
2. Laguna
3. Laguna
4. Laguna
5. Buchanan
6. Buchanan
7. Buchanan
8. Buchanan
9. Buchanan
10. Buchanan
11. Buchanan
12. Buchanan
13. Laguna (starting to feel a bit sorry for him here so maybe gifted a round)
14. Buchanan (probably should have been scored 10-8, but no difference by this point really)
15. Buchanan

On the 10-point must I had this one 146-139. Not really all that competitive on the cards......

 

Carlos Monzon vs Rodrigo Valdes 1 (June 26, 1976 15 Rounds for the WBA & WBC Middleweight Title)

Round 1: 10-9 Monzon
Round 2: 10-9 Monzon
Round 3: 10-9 Valdes
Round 4: 10-9 Valdes
Round 5: 10-9 Monzon
Round 6: 10-9 Monzon
Round 7: 10-9 Monzon
Round 8: 10-9 Valdes
Round 9: 10-9 Monzon
Round 10: 10-9 Monzon
Round 11: 10-9 Monzon
Round 12: 10-9 Monzon
Round 13: 10-9 Valdes
Round 14: 10-8 Monzon
Round 15: 10-9 Valdes

My Score: (145-139 Monzon)

Official Scores: (148-144, 147-145, & 146-144 all for Monzon)
Winner: By Unanimous Decision to retain the Middleweight Championship Carlos Monzon.

 

Muhammad Ali vs Jimmy Young (April 30, 1976 15 Rounds for the WBA & WBC Heavyweight Title)

Round 1: 10-9 Young
Round 2: 10-9 Young
Round 3: 10-9 Young
Round 4: 10-9 Ali
Round 5: 10-9 Ali
Round 6: 10-9 Ali
Round 7: 10-9 Ali
Round 8: 10-9 Young
Round 9: 10-9 Young
Round 10: 10-9 Young
Round 11: 10-9 Young
Round 12: 10-8 Ali
Round 13: 10-9 Ali
Round 14: 10-9 Young
Round 15: 10-9 Ali

My Score: (142-142 Draw)

Official Scores: (72-65, 71-64, & 70-68 all for Ali)
Winner: By Unanimous Decision to retain the Heavyweight Championship of the World Muhammad Ali.

 

Larry Holmes vs Roy Williams (April 30, 1976 10 Rounds Heavyweights)

Round 1: 10-9 Holmes
Round 2: 10-9 Holmes
Round 3: 10-9 Holmes
Round 4: 10-9 Holmes
Round 5: 10-9 Holmes
Round 6: 10-9 Williams
Round 7: 10-9 Williams
Round 8: 10-9 Williams
Round 9: 10-9 Holmes
Round 10: 10-9 Williams

My Score: (96-94 Holmes)

Official Scores: (N/A)
Winner: By Unanimous Decision Larry Holmes.

 

Victor Galindez vs Richie Kates (May 22, 1976 15 Rounds for the WBA Light-Heavyweight Title)

Round 1: 10-9 Kates
Round 2: 10-9 Kates
Round 3: 10-9 Kates
Round 4: 10-9 Galindez
Round 5: 10-9 Galindez
Round 6: 10-9 Galindez
Round 7: 10-8 Galindez
Round 8: 10-9 Kates
Round 9: 10-9 Galindez
Round 10: 10-9 Galindez
Round 11: 10-9 Galindez
Round 12: 10-9 Kates
Round 13: 10-9 Kates
Round 14: 10-9 Kates
Round 15: KO

My Score: (133-132 Galindez at time of stoppage)

Official Scores: (N/A)
Winner: At 2:59 of the 15th round by KO to retain his WBA Light-Heavyweight Championship Victor Galindez.

 

John H. Stracey vs Carlos Palomino (June 22, 1976 15 Rounds for the WBC Welterweight Title)

Round 1: 10-9 Palomino
Round 2: 10-9 Palomino
Round 3: 10-9 Palomino
Round 4: 10-9 Palomino
Round 5: 10-9 Stracey
Round 6: 10-9 Palomino
Round 7: 10-9 Palomino
Round 8: 10-9 Palomino
Round 9: 10-9 Palomino
Round 10: 10-9 Palomino
Round 11: 10-9 Stracey
Round 12: TKO

My Score: (108-101 Palomino at the time of stoppage)

Official Scores: (N/A)
Winner: By 12th round TKO to win the WBC Welterweight Championship of the World, Carlos Palomino.