the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Muhammad Ali vs Ken Norton III (September 28, 1976 15 Rounds for the WBA & WBC Heavyweight Title)

Round 1: 10-9 Ali
Round 2: 10-9 Norton
Round 3: 10-9 Ali
Round 4: 10-9 Norton
Round 5: 10-9 Norton
Round 6: 10-9 Norton
Round 7: 10-9 Ali
Round 8: 10-9 Norton
Round 9: 10-9 Ali
Round 10: 10-9 Norton
Round 11: 10-9 Ali
Round 12: 10-9 Norton
Round 13: 10-9 Ali
Round 14: 10-9 Norton
Round 15: 10-9 Ali

My Score: (143-142 Norton)

Official Scores: (144-142, 143-142, & 143-142 Ali)
Winner: By Unanimous Decision to retain the Heavyweight Championship of the World Muhammad Ali.

 

Watched Jake LaMotta vs Irish Bob Murphy in their first matchup. What a war! Two of the all time greatest punchers. Always surprised me that Irish Bob Murphy didn't rise to the occasion to take the light heavy crown from Joey Maxim.

 

Rorschach's score on the third Ali-Norton fight made me think of their second fight. I must be in the minority on this, but this is one of those fights where I just never saw the controversy. I had Ali a clear winner on this one.

California scoring of one point for a round, 2 if there is a knockdown and no points for an even round.

Round 1: Ali
Round 2: Ali
Round 3: Ali
Round 4: Ali
Round 5: Even
Round 6: Ali
Round 7: Norton
Round 8: Norton
Round 9: Ali
Round 10: Even
Round 11: Norton
Round 12: Ali

7-3-2 in rounds but 7-3 on California point system for Ali.

 

Same here bro, I thought Ali clearly won the second fight convincingly, and the commentators were being overly bias to everything Norton did. Ali would pepper Norton with Jabs and lead rights for two minutes thirty seconds of a round, and Norton might attack and land a big body shot or partially blocked shot to the head, and they would score the round even or for Norton. I believe the commentary for that fight went a long way to swaying public opinion on the winner, or at least helped create so much doubt/controversy.

 

Ron Lyle vs Joe Bugner (March 20, 1977 12 Rounds Heavyweights)

Round 1: 10-9 Lyle
Round 2: 10-9 Lyle
Round 3: 10-9 Lyle
Round 4: 10-9 Bugner
Round 5: 10-9 Bugner
Round 6: 10-9 Bugner
Round 7: 10-9 Lyle
Round 8: 10-9 Lyle
Round 9: 10-9 Bugner
Round 10: 10-9 Lyle
Round 11: 10-9 Lyle
Round 12: 10-9 Bugner

My Score: (115-113 Lyle)

Official Scores: (56-54 Lyle) (55-54 Bugner) (57-52 Lyle)
Winner: By Split Decision Ron Lyle.

 

Alfonso Lopez vs Guty Espadas 1 (October 2, 1976 15 Rounds for the WBA Flyweight Title)

Round 1: 10-9 Lopez
Round 2: 10-9 Lopez
Round 3: 10-9 Espadas
Round 4: 10-9 Lopez
Round 5: 10-9 Lopez
Round 6: 10-9 Lopez
Round 7: 10-9 Espadas
Round 8: 10-9 Lopez
Round 9: 10-9 Lopez
Round 10: 10-9 Lopez
Round 11: 10-9 Lopez
Round 12: 10-7 Espadas
Round 13: TKO

My Score: (At the time of stoppage 115-111 Lopez)

Official Scores: (N/A)
Winner: By 13th round technical knock out to win the WBA Flyweight Championship of the World Guty Espadas.

Alan Minter vs Ronnie Harris (April 12, 1977 10 Rounds Middleweights)

Round 1: Harris
Round 2: Harris
Round 3: Minter
Round 4: Minter
Round 5: Harris
Round 6: Harris
Round 7: Harris
Round 8: Minter
Round 9: TKO (on cuts)

My Score: (At the time of stoppage 77-75 Harris)

Official Scores: (N/A)
Winner: By 9th round technical knock out Ronnie Harris.

Guty Espadas vs Alfonso Lopez 2 (April 30, 1977 15 Rounds for the WBA Flyweight Title)

Round 1: 10-9 Lopez
Round 2: 10-9 Lopez
Round 3: 10-9 Lopez
Round 4: 10-9 Lopez
Round 5: 10-9 Lopez
Round 6: 10-9 Lopez
Round 7: 10-9 Lopez
Round 8: 10-9 Espadas
Round 9: 10-9 Espadas
Round 10: 10-9 Lopez
Round 11: 10-9 Espadas
Round 12: 10-9 Lopez
Round 13: TKO

My Score: (At the time of stoppage 117-111 Lopez)

Official Scores: (N/A)
Winner: By 13th round technical knock out to retain the WBA Flyweight Championship of the World Guty Espadas.

 

Carlos Palomino vs Dave "Boy" Green (June 14, 1977 15 Rounds for the WBC World Welterweight Title)

Round 1: 10-9 Green
Round 2: 10-9 Green
Round 3: 10-9 Palomino
Round 4: 10-9 Green
Round 5: 10-9 Green
Round 6: 10-9 Palomino
Round 7: 10-9 Palomino
Round 8: 10-9 Palomino
Round 9: 10-9 Green
Round 10: 10-9 Green
Round 11: KO

My Score: (96-94 Green)

Official Scores: (N/A)
Winner: By 11th round knock out to retain the WBC Welterweight Championship of the World.

 

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Your card actually has Young winning 8-7.

 

Yes, but a 10-8 round for Ali in the 12th makes 8-7 a draw. 142-142 instead of 143-142.

 

Rorschach, I scored this some time back on the Vegas 5 point must system employed at the time.

Round 1: 5-4 Lyle
Round 2: 5-4 Lyle
Round 3: 5-4 Lyle
Round 4: 5-5 Even
Round 5: 5-4 Bugner
Round 6: 5-4 Bugner
Round 7: 5-4 Lyle
Round 8: 5-5 Even
Round 9: 5-4 Bugner
Round 10: 5-4 Lyle
Round 11: 5-4 Lyle
Round 12: 5-5 Even

Total: 57-54 Lyle

Aside from the 3 even rounds I scored, we disagreed on nothing. That is good tight scoring. I just felt Lyle was the sharper hitter throughout although Joe had his moments. Officially, it was a split win for Ron and they utilized the novelty of posting their scores between rounds as well.

 

What I remember about this fight was that it was fought at breakneck speed. Indeed, the pace was terrific. You and I were off on about 2 rounds, but again, a fight moving this fast we're all going to pick up on something different. Here we go on, what I believe employed in Britain was a 10 point must system with the loser getting 9 1/2. And again, a terrific pace.

Round 1: Minter
Round 2: Harris
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Minter
Round 5: Harris
Round 6: Harris
Round 7: Harris
Round 8: Harris

Ref Sid Nathan stops the bout between the 8th and 9th with Minter cut over both eyes and his mouth cut.

Total at time of stoppage: 79-77 1/2 Harris or 78-75 in favor of Harris if we used our own 10 point system.

 

GGG vs Canelo

Round 1: Canelo
Round 2: Canelo
Round 3: Close, Canelo
Round 4: Golovkin
Round 5: Golovkin
Round 6: Close, Canelo
Round 7: Golovkin
Round 8: Golovkin
Round 9: Golovkin
Round 10: Close, Golovkin
Round 11: Close, Golovkin
Round 12: Canelo

First time round I thought it was a draw, Canelo took the first few & the last 2 rounds with Golovkin eating up almost all the middle rounds. Not much changed on the 2nd viewing, mainly giving an extra close round to Golovkin due to being busier fighter. Canelo landed some of the cleaner shots, just didn't do enough in the 2nd half of the fight.

 

Lopez - Espadas I

Rorschach, I was really following Alfonso Lopez back in the day and his career took a downward spiral after this fight. His jaw was never right again. But nevertheless here is the first Alfonso Lopez - Guty Espadas fight. 10 point must system and let me tell you, Lopez put on a clinic against a hard banger until getting caught in the 12th. The only difference in our scores is the 7th, which I scored even.

Round 1: 10-9 Lopez
Round 2: 10-9 Lopez
Round 3: 10-9 Espadas
Round 4: 10-9 Lopez
Round 5: 10-9 Lopez
Round 6: 10-9 Lopez
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Lopez
Round 9: 10-9 Lopez
Round 10: 10-9 Lopez
Round 11: 10-9 Lopez
Round 12: 10-7 Espadas (2 knockdowns)
Round 13: TKO for Espadas with 3 more knockdowns

Through 12 rounds: 116-111 Lopez

It's always difficult seeing a fighter do some great work (Olivares against Arguello and Tate against Weaver) and then getting caught late. But that's boxing.

 

Rorschach, you also scored the second Lopez - Espadas fight and the Palomino - Green fight. Are they both out there in their entirety? I can't find Lopez-Espadas II and I recall wanting to watch Carlos and Green but I think it was missing some rounds.