the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. TheMikeLake

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    Toney vs. McCallum 1

    I'm sort of embarrassed to admit, but I think this is the first McCallum fight I ever watched in it's entirety. I knew he was a beast at lower weights, but see on boxrec that his punching power didn't carry up to middleweight - at least not in the same way. McCallum is 35 years old here, While Toney is 23. Pretty great fight. Looking forward to 2 and 3

    Round 1 - McCallum took a close round that was pretty much a feeling out round

    Round 2 - Toney's round

    Round 3 - Another close round that I gave to McCallum. Early on I thought his jabbing was beautiful. Toney was jabbing good too, but McCallum's was on a different level.

    Round 4 - Very good round that really sort of set the tone for the right of the fight. Gave it to McCallum

    Round 5 - Toney's round. At this point he's really starting to find a home for his right hand

    Round 6 - Toney's again

    Round 7 - McCallum's round. Near the end of the round Toney either gassed terribly or was hurt by something I didn't quite see. Toney stumbled around the ring a bit here at the end of the frame.

    Round 8 - Toney battled back well to nick the round

    Round 9 - McCallum expended a ton of energy here, it won him the round, but I think it cost him going into the final rounds of the fight.

    Round 10 - Toney's round

    Round 11 - Super even round. A right hand by Toney at the end swayed it in his direction for me, but this could have gone either way. I don't like scoring even rounds, especially so late in a fight

    Round 12 - Toney hit Mike with dozens of hard right hands and left hooks through this fight. This was the first time McCallum showed any ill-effects from those blows. However, After Toney hurt McCallum early, he had zero energy left to do anything about it. Still, Toney's round.

    I gave this to Toney 115-113. I noted 5 rounds as close, so tomorrow I could very easily have it a different score if I were to score it then. The officials saw it 116-112 Toney, 115-113 McCallum, 114-114 a draw, for a draw. All of the scores seem fine, to be honest, very hard fight to score. I know by the end of the fight I thought Toney was starting to pull away, and really feel he deserved the nod, or at least a draw. Finding 7 rounds for McCallum is a little tougher, but not insane. I scored my even rounds 3-2 in favor of McCallum, so if you give him a couple more, you can get to that score.

    Either way, really damn good fight!
     
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  2. TheMikeLake

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    Barkley vs. Duran

    First of all, wow what a fight. Barkley boxed wonderfully for 7-8 rounds, only for old man Duran to sweep the last 4 rounds on my card. I sometimes get embarrassed when I post a card that differs from the official results, especially when it's a legendary result, like this one. Anyways here my card.

    Round 1 - Duran 10-9 Duran took it by stunning Barkley late

    Round 2 - Barkley 10-9, Beautiful body work by both men, especially Barkley

    Round 3 - 10-9 Barkley

    Round 4 - 10-9 Barkley, fantastic round, best round in the fight, great round in general

    Round 5 - 10-9 Barkley, Barkley wins but this was the start of his left eye swelling which would play a role, imo later in this fight.

    Round 6 - 10-9 Barkley, slowest round of the fight, rightfully so, great pace so far

    Round 7 - 10-9 Barkley, Close, round, also a very good round

    Round 8 - 10-9 Barkley, Huge left almost sent Duran down. Looked to maybe be the beginning of the end for Duran, but this round seemed to wake him up, and Barkley was running on fumes.

    Round 9 - 10-9 Duran, Barkley clearly tiring and eye starting to swell

    Round 10 - 10-9 Duran one this round with the work of his right hand

    Round 11 - 10-8 Duran, Barkley down on the end of a beautiful four punch combo. His eye is getting worse by the second, making you wondering if he even saw these punches coming, especially the right.

    Round 12 - Duran 10-9, Close round

    So my score adds up to 114-113 to Barkley. On my card he did enough work early, but it would be fairly easy enough to slide a couple close rounds over to Duran and give him the win. I feel, even with the knockdown though, Barkley did enough to win, and I realize that may be an unpopular decision. Duran definitely closed the show in style though. This is another fight where I could watch it tomorrow and find a way to have Duran winning it, but I'm not sure I could ever find him winning it as comfortable as two of the judges did.

    The result - a Duran SD win - isn't controversial, but I think the way we got there with the official cards sort of is. Card one gave it 116-113 to Barkley, the next two were for Duran at 118-112, and 116-112. I'm not sure how any judge found a way to give Duran 118 points in this match, as in I don't even know how we get there. 116 is a bit of a stretch, but more reasonable.

    Great fight, highly recommend if you've never seen it.
     
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  3. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There really wasn't much in that fight. Barkley landed a lot of big punches.
     
  4. TheMikeLake

    TheMikeLake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What do you mean, bud?
     
  5. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That it was a close fight, of course.
     
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  6. salsanchezfan

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    He probably doesn't speak Australian, John...…...
     
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  7. scartissue

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    Hedgemon Lewis vs. Carlos Palomino

    I scored this bout several years ago and had it 5-4-1 for Lewis. Sat down now to rewatch and again, I have it close but slightly different. I don't have my original scorecard, but wouldn't be surprised if some of my rounds were different - that's the kind of fight it was, very close. Anyways, here we go, California scoring in effect. One point for a round and no points for an even round.

    Round 1: Lewis
    Round 2: Lewis
    Round 3: Lewis
    Round 4: Lewis
    Round 5: Even
    Round 6: Palomino
    Round 7: Palomino
    Round 8: Palomino (I briefly hesitated between an even round - that close)
    Round 9: Palomino
    Round 10: Even

    Total: 4-4 Draw

    I was good with the draw. Even with my original score of 5-4 I was good with the draw. These are some very close rounds where Lewis dominated from the outside and Palomino dominated on the infighting. Good fight. Incidentally, a rematch was scheduled, but Lewis got the offer to fight John Stracey for the title and the only way Aileen Eaton allowed that rematch to be cancelled was for Mickey Duff to agree to sign Carlos Palomino for the title in the event that Stracey won. And the rest is history.
     
  8. McGrain

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    Brian Viloria UD12 Julio Cesar Miranda

    Very instructive first round in that Miranda and Viloria contest the inside. Viloria doesn't dominate but does drop his man, and then Miranda, upon recovering comes outside a little bit ceding the territory. It's a gorgeous little reverse one-two ending in a left hook.

    This sets Miranda to war. And some of the rounds that follow are sheer brutality as the two share the pocket in spells before taking it in turns to give ground. Superior straight-punching, footwork (allowing him t escape at crucial moments) and placement keeps Viloria barely ahead through five, though it should be noted 2 was arguable, as was four; this is an exceptional fight, a really great match. Miranda's pressure is endless.

    He kind of gives some ground at the beginning of the seventh though, for the first time in earnest since the first, and he immediatly gets dominated. Some guys, you can just see it, they can't go backwards. He's grappling inside instead of hitting...dipping back, allowing Viloria to take his time. It's not impressive, especially not compared to his crowding. Viloria has that power-boxing style and it just gets free reign.

    Very smooth puncher, great placement, quick handed, quick-footed, it's hard to see, when he's winning, what his limitations are. In fact, we know he's reasonably easy to hit for an elite fly, and that his durability is only good, not a great mix. Viloria drops the eighth but he can "lose well" on the backfoot, doing damage, making his man wait. Miranda can only lose rounds badly. Miranda could never nick the round.

    VILORIA:1*,4,5,6,7,9,11,
    MIRANDA:2,3,8,10,12

    *Miranda down.

    115-112 slugfest war.
     
  9. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Judge Raymond Baldeyrou called six rounds even, and judge Jim Rondeau called five even. Judge Art Lurie scored just one round even. Lots of even rounds here.

    Official cards:

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      147-143
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      142-144
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      147-143

    Unofficial AP scorecard:
    143-142 Norton

    I thought Norton edged it but this is one fighter where even the best judges can differ and be okay with it.
     
  10. McGrain

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    Juan Francisco Estrada SD12 Brian Viloria

    This is a gorgeous left hand; every time I see Estrada fight I'm reminded of it. It's such a lovely hand it doesn't hold in the memory properly. Some beautiful jabs, a beautiful long, lean left uppercut. I think Viloria nicked a brilliant first though with booming right hands. He sort of sacrifices his left to interferance but he gets a few hurtful rights in. Estrada could argue a share with some vicious beltline work.

    The second is even more fascinating; Estrada does well with the body work once more and throws those lovely compact combos from a mobile turret. Viloria offers his first adjustment though: eases off, lets Estrada lead and tries to limit the affect of his mobility in front of him by countering. But it's an old fashioned surge that nicks Viloria the round at the death.

    A fascinating third but less exciting: Viloria turns aggressor, adding a winging, risky body-shot that Estrada fails to really punish him for in the first half of the round. So Estrada prefers his jab and begins to box and move. I have Viloria running away with it after three. But Viloria bags the fourth - barely - by my eye. He out-hits Viloria for the opening minute and probably barely out-maneuvers him for the rest of the round. I gave him the fifth, too, although this is actually an arguable round because Viloria lands a very nice right hand, probably the best punch of the fight. I find these rounds hard: Estrada out-lands Viloria then Viloria lands the best punch of the round. On this occasion, I plumped for the dominator rather than that puncher. After giving a desperately close sixth to Estrada I have it even at the half way point but all the momentum is with the younger fighter.

    Viloria stops the rot in the seventh and this despite Estrada coming to fight him inside. Estrada wins the eighth and I have that "oh no another draw" feeling coming on. But Estrada may have turned a corner. Viloria is giving way before his close-quarter give and take a little bit now, and it feels other than tactical. Still, Viloria fought really really hard in the final 20 seconds.

    It's really crazy that Estrada, despite being roomier, is more compact. And here he goes, running away with things a bit.

    VILORIA:1,2,3,7,
    ESTRADA:4,5,6,8,9,10,11,12

    8-4 Estrada in a borderline great fight that becomes too one-sided in the final third to qualify. Special though.
     
  11. McGrain

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    Lorenzo Parra UD12 Eric Morel

    First round is characterised by missing, but it is the young Parra who is forcing the matter. Great right hand in the final seconds of the round steals him the round, too. Parra has a lovely second, too, landing a nice right hand up by the ear early, jabbing unsuccessfully to the body but moving Morel back with it, counter-jabbing well off the back foot. His jab looks better. Slipping well, too. All in all impressive stuff. Lots and lots of good punches, he's got all the shots.

    A very aggressive start to round 3 signals Morel's new plan and it's a good one - it brings him the best of it early. With 25 seconds remaining though, disaster, Morel gets dropped by another good right hand - just gloves and feet to the canvas, he's okay, but it's a big swing that round. Parra shouting at him when the bell goes. Ah, that KD was arguably from a shot to the back of the head but it was also a decent body-head combo, both right hands, that got it done.

    Parra has good feet to go with his hard punch. He's not quite on his toes, or at least not all the time, but he's ditching punches from the toes up, that's for sure. Just dancing his way through these minutes, then lands a left hook to the body and pushes an up jab to the head. This is borderline glorious stuff. Morel catches on a bit in the last thirty seconds but he's still getting hit.

    An aggressive start to to the fifth paves way for some bodywork and then for some decent hard, quick combinations in the last minute of the round. Ominous. Has Parra burned too much energy with this high-energy style? Despite some good body punches, Parra probably gets out-manned a bit in six. His inexperience at this level is showing. Morel has taken over. Parra's lead is being whittled down.

    Great counter-punching on the backfoot, two-handed, mostly at mid-range, probably just crowbars this round for Parra. But he slipped twice and occasionally looked a little hunted. Still, he's banked five rounds with a KD - so unless he hits the canvas, he can't lose on my card. Clear win in the eighth makes him unassailable. American commentary has it even.

    Morel looks way bigger but Parra just looks way, way faster.

    Parra: 1,2,3*,4,7,8,9,10,
    Morel: 5,6,11,12

    *Morel down.

    116-111

    Official Cards: 115-113, 116-111, 116-111.
     
  12. scartissue

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    Here are two controversial bouts involving Edwin Viruet. NY rounds scoring.

    Duran - Viruet I

    Round 1: Duran
    Round 2: Viruet
    Round 3: Duran
    Round 4: Even
    Round 5: Even
    Round 6: Duran
    Round 7: Duran
    Round 8: Duran
    Round 9: Viruet
    Round 10: Even

    Total: 5-2-3 Duran

    Very tough to score and one has to really pay attention to the nuances in the ring. Perhaps Viruet has that kind of style that doesn't jar me. I just felt Duran's heftier shots outweighed Viruet's flashy combos, but not by much. This was a very close fight and those swing rounds could go either way. To bring up a point that I noticed after watching the bout, I looked at the officials scorecards and Harold Lederman who does not score Even rounds, had it 6-3-1 for Duran. An Even round from Harold??? Damn, that had to be close.

    Dejesus - Viruet

    Round 1: Dejesus
    Round 2: Viruet
    Round 3: Even
    Round 4: Dejesus
    Round 5: Dejesus
    Round 6: Dejesus
    Round 7: Even
    Round 8: Viruet
    Round 9: Dejesus
    Round 10: Dejesus

    Total: 6-2-2 Dejesus

    It was controversial at the time and after watching it I see why. It really depends on what you're looking for, but in this fight what makes it difficult is that for 10 rounds Dejesus does a lot of missing and Viruet fights a somewhat negative fight, so one is left weighing who actually did more. If anyone wants to give this a try, youtube has it in 3 parts. It is not hi-def by any means and part one's audio is all askew. I felt very comfortable on my verdict, but I can see how it could be subjective on how you score.
     
  13. scartissue

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    Oscar DeLaHoya vs Ike Quartey

    Round 1: 10-9 Oscar
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-10 Even
    Round 4: 10-9 Oscar
    Round 5: 10-9 Ike
    Round 6: 10-9 Ike (both fighters score knockdowns but Ike has the best of the exchanges)
    Round 7: 10-9 Ike
    Round 8: 10-9 Ike
    Round 9: 10-9 Ike
    Round 10: 10-9 Oscar
    Round 11: 10-10 Even
    Round 12: 10-8 Oscar (Oscar scares a knockdown)

    Total: 115-115 Draw

    Oscar barely scrapes home with a draw in this one on my card.
     
  14. ideafix12

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    Serhiy Dzinziruk VS Daniel Santos

    Round 1 : 10-9 Santos
    Round 2 : 10-9 Santos
    Round 3 : 10-9 Santos
    Round 4 : 10-9 Santos
    Round 5 : 10-9 Santos
    Round 6 : 10-9 Dzinziruk
    Round 7 : 10-9 Dzinziruk
    Round 8 : 10-8 Dzinziruk
    Round 9 : 10-9 Santos
    Round 10 : 10-9 Santos
    Round 11 : 10-9 Dzinziruk
    Round 12 : 10-9 Dzinziruk

    114- 113 Daniel Santos

    Close fight, but I can not see how Dzinziruk won.
    It could have been a draw, but I think 2 points up Dzinziruk was a robbery.
     
  15. ChrisJS

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    I just watched Johnny Famechon vs. Jose Legra. At times it was a really good contest and at times a little on the sloppy side. Famechon starting well enough by moving and countering well. The commentator Harry Carpenter made a remark about it being an interesting matchup “A Spaniard from Cuba Fighting an Australian from Cuba in London, England”. Anyway, Famechon was doing well catching Legra lunging a bit but towards the middle I felt Legra really took control. He was robbed off what looked a clear knockdown in one of the rounds. Famechon showed a lot of heart and won some late rounds. It got sloppy around the 11th/12th with them fighting in a clinch. This is an area Legra never seemed to do well in his fights.

    I scored it 9-6 in rounds for Legra and he did get an official knockdown along the way so 144-140 in points. I think the crowd was really behind Famechon and the ref was influenced because he didn’t win this fight at all despite fighting well most of the way. The ref was the only judge per British rules. Not the last time a single judge would give Famechon the benefit in a close fight he probably lost.

    Round 1 Famechon
    Round 2 Legra
    Round 3 Famechon
    Round 4 Legra
    Round 5 Famechon
    Round 6 Legra (red missed knockdown)
    Round 7 Famechon
    Round 8 Legra
    Round 9 Legra
    Round 10 Legra
    Round 11 Legra 10-8 (knockdown)
    Round 12 Legra
    Round 13 Famechon
    Round 14 Legra
    Round 15 Famechon

    I could see a round closer which seems a bit more reasonable than a round wider but not much else. Legra very unfortunate to lose the belt.
     

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