the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joey Archer against Holly Mims. I've seen a bit of activity on this fight recently where a few people said Mims was robbed. Here is my take on the bout.

    Round 1: Even
    Round 2: Archer
    Round 3: Mims
    Round 4: Archer
    Round 5: Mims
    Round 6: Archer
    Round 7: Archer
    Round 8: Even
    Round 9: Mims
    Round 10: Archer

    Total: 5-3-2 Archer

    This was a study in Archer's boxing against Mims fighting in spurts. Good fight and so close. I see why there was such a dispute on the decision. I just think if Mims was a bit busier than trying to catch Archer with the haymaker he could have done better.
     
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    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Here's another fight from this era, the 1963 Hurricane Carter-Georgie Benton fight. Good fight, but this was frustrating as hell to watch for me. When Benton stays on the outside he is very pretty to watch. He has a beautiful jab and sharp-shoots with the right. The fight was his to lose and he did. He spends 90% of the fight on the inside fighting Carter's fight. And it appears it is of his own volition rather than Carter being that forceful. Here we go. New York's rounds basis.

    Round 1: Carter
    Round 2: Carter
    Round 3: Even
    Round 4: Carter
    Round 5: Benton
    Round 6: Carter
    Round 7: Benton
    Round 8: Even
    Round 9: Carter
    Round 10: Carter

    Total 6-2-2 Carter

    Round 10 was the best. Carter started so strong, but in the middle of the round Benton takes over and appears to hurt Carter, but then Carter finishes with a rush to take the round. Again, strange that Benton would fight Carter's fight, especially when Benton was known as a cutie. Rumors were rife at the time that Teddy Brenner had Holly Mims go in the tank against Carter. I'm wondering......
     
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    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Here are a couple of fights - both with abbreviated endings. But the scores are interesting up until the end.

    Danny Lopez v Ruben Olivares - California scoring 1 point for a round, 2 points with a knockdown and no points for an even round.

    Round 1: Lopez (Lopez down once and Olivares down twice - with one cancelling the other I had Lopez winning this round 2-0)
    Round 2: Lopez (Lopez scores another knockdown)
    Round 3: Olivares
    Round 4: Olivares
    Round 5: Olivares
    Round 6: Lopez
    Round 7: Lopez stops Olivares

    Total through 6 completed rounds: 5-3 Lopez

    Although noted for the left hook it was amazing the ease Olivares had tagging Lopez with the right hand, some of which were bombs. Amazing that Danny stood up to them before lowering the boom.


    Alexis Arguello v Bobby Chacon for Arguello's jr. lightweight title

    10 point must system in effect

    Round 1: 10-9 Chacon
    Round 2: 10-9 Arguello
    Round 3: 10-9 Chacon
    Round 4: 10-9 Chacon
    Round 5: 10-9 Chacon
    Round 6: 10-9 Arguello
    Round 7: 10-8 Arguello (scores a knockdown)
    TKO - fight stopped between rounds due to a badly cut eye sustained by Chacon

    Total through 7 completed rounds: 66-66 Even

    Although Chacon was never the force he was as a featherweight, he really gave it an admirable go of it here. Fighting an in and out type of fight he was really catching Arguello with those looping shots. Don't know how long he could have continued that way - that maneuver really tends to gas a fighter, but he gave it a good go anyway.
     
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  4. PhillyPhan69

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    Duran vs Leonard I
    I loved seeing the greatest Panamanian Lightweight Ismael Laguna in the ring prior to the start.
    Round 1 even 10-10 not much separating them. Duran seems a little wild on some early lunges but nothing that Leonard capitalizes on. Leonard seems to want to exchange in the middle...still not sure after all these years, why he/they used this strategy, seems to play to Duran’s strength.


    Round 2 Duran (Duran 20-19)

    Round 3 Duran (Duran 30-28)

    Round 4 Duran (Duran 40-37) SRL starting to do some nice work in the last minute but not enough to take the round.

    Round 5 SRL (Duran 49-47) The best round of the fight so far. Leonard starts with a nice left that catches Duran off guard. Leonard lands a few soft quick flurries that judges like but seldom are strong punches...but mid round Leonard is digging deeper and harder on the body shots than earlier in the fight. These have something on them. Both guys miss a power shot towards the end, SRL finishes strong and takes it on my card.

    Round 6 SRL (Duran 58-57) I saw a couple of guys give this round to Duran? Not sure how. Durans feint jab is a thing of beauty though, but it does not seem to be affecting Leonard as much as in the first 5. Ray opens with a nice left again, this time to the body. Both guys working the body good but Ray gets the better of these exchanges and lands the more telling blows. Duran tried to laugh off the impact but now we have a fight.

    Round 7 SRL (67-67) very close fight, and a close round. I think Leonard’s work in the first 90 gives him a round that is back and forth over the 2nd 90. Close round but SRL on my care.
    Deadlocked after 7

    Round 8 Duran ( Duran 77-76) Duran tries to get flashy and his feints seem to freeze Ray, but not elicit a reaction. Doesn’t score points but makes me smile anyway. Not as action packed and Duran nips it on my card.

    Round 9 Duran (Duran 87-85) not quite as wide as rounds 2-3 but another clear Duran round. An inadvertent (to me) head butted leads to SRL being bothered and maybe cut? Can’t tell yet? Not sure if it is strategic but Leonard seems to be conserving energy in rounds 8-9, almost like it seemd Duran was in rounds 6-7. The last 25 seconds are back and forth but Duran takes this round for me.

    Round 10 Duran (Duran 97-94) Close round and I feel like Leonard is trying to do more in the final 30 seconds than the first 150, and he finishes well enough that he might take thison some cards? But I feel like Duran took it...hard to block out the announcers, uuuggghhh.

    11 Duran (Duran 107-103) 10-11 are both competitive enough that scoring for either guy might be common? I felt like Roberto edged landing the heavier and more consistent shots.

    12 Duran (Duran 117-112) another close round but I liked Duran’s work a little better. 10-12 are so close that they are likely to be the difference on most cards

    Championship rounds-

    13 SRL (Duran 126-122) close round that I was leaning towards Duran on but Leonard finishes strong...not with flurries but swinging away. Close but Ray gets the nod on mine.

    14 SRL (Duran 135-132) both guys on fumes throwing hard but lacking the pop of early exchanges. Ray comes out solid and looks good for 45 Duran retaliates and leads the next 45...close the rest of the way but I feel Ray locks the round down on the last 30.

    15 SRL (Duran 144-142) not much excitement for the first 90, both guys are drained. Ray takes a little less, Duran’s clowning makes me smile again, but not enough to give him the round.

    Duran 144-142 for me.

    Post fight thoughts- Duran won 4 rounds wide...the other 11 close despite who got the nod, giving the illusion of a Durandomination...in reality a close fight...that Duran won!

    Rounds 1 & 10-12 could go either way and make some cards wide and others favor SRL...but to me Duran took this close but comfortable contrary to the announce team and The NY Times.
     
  5. scartissue

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    Rewatched the Tony Sibson-Dangerous Don Lee bout today. Saw it live when they fought but now pen to paper and scored under New Jersey's rounds basis.

    Round 1: Sibson (scores a knockdown)
    Round 2: Even
    Round 3: Lee (scores 3 knockdowns)
    Round 4: Sibson
    Round 5: Lee
    Round 6: Sibson
    Round 7: Sibson
    Round 8: Sibson scores a knockdown but Lee proceeds to stop him on a TKO.

    Total (through 7 completed rounds) 4-2-1 Sibson

    This clearly shows how flawed the rounds basis was. Under the 10 point system I had it 65-65 at the end of 7. Of course it became academic in the 8th, but the issue is clear.
     
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    Reggie Johnson v Jorge Castro II

    This one really annoyed me. Not for anything that happened in the bout or even the atrocious decision. It was the fact that I was watching a telecast from Argentina that had a German commentary. Most of the time I don't mind that as I don't have to listen to any bias. But I was fast-forwarding the one minute respite between rounds just to speed things up and I was just missing the display of the next round. No big deal until I got to about the 9th or 10th and saw the round when I realized I missed a round. As it turns out, the video I saw was missing the 7th round. Here we go anyway. Castro the defending champ.

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Johnson
    Round 3: 10-9 Castro
    Round 4: 10-9 Johnson
    Round 5: 10-9 Johnson
    Round 6: 10-9 Johnson
    Round 7: Missing round
    Round 8: 10-9 Johnson
    Round 9: 10-9 Castro
    Round 10: 10-9 Johnson
    Round 11: 10-9 Johnson
    Round 12: 10-10 Even

    Total (without the 7th round) 107-103 Johnson

    Even if we give Castro the 7th it would be 116-113 for Johnson on my card. Castro was a clubbing type of fighter whose great success was based on a rock jaw, a great hometown crowd and very accommodating judges. But Johnson's pin-point punching won it comfortably on my card.
     
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    Tommy Hearns v James 'The Heat' Kinchen

    Round 1: 10-9 Hearns
    Round 2: 10-9 Hearns
    Round 3: 10-9 Hearns
    Round 4: 10-7 Kinchen (Kinchen scores a knockdown and 1 point deducted from Hearns for holding)
    Round 5: 10-9 Kinchen
    Round 6: 10-9 Kinchen
    Round 7: 10-9 Hearns
    Round 8: 10-9 Kinchen
    Round 9: 10-9 Hearns
    Round 10: 10-10 Even (The version I saw had a shortened 10th round. In a fight as close as this it could be a game-changer)
    Round 11: 10-10 Even
    Round 12: 10-9 Hearns

    Total 114-114 Draw

    Official scores were 115-112 Hearns, 114-112 Hearns, 114-114 Draw. Good fight.
     
  8. Senya13

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    Leonard: 1,5,6,7,8,11,14,15
    Duran: 2,3,9,10,13
    even: 4,12
    145-142 for Leonard
     
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    Gavilan - rounds 1-10
    Graham - rounds 11-15
     
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    Norton: 4,6,7,12
    Young: 1,2,3,5,8,9,10,11,13,14
    even: 15
    146-140 for Young
     
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    Kid Gavilan - Billy Graham III (NY scoring which was the rounds basis)

    Round 1: Even
    Round 2: Gavilan
    Round 3: Graham
    Round 4: Gavilan
    Round 5: Gavilan
    Round 6: Graham
    Round 7: Gavilan
    Round 8: Even
    Round 9: Graham
    Round 10: Graham
    Round 11: Graham
    Round 12: Graham
    Round 13: Even
    Round 14: Graham
    Round 15: Graham

    8-4-3 Graham
     
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    I recall when I first saw this fight in the late '70s having Young just nicking it at the time. Today, it's no different. A nightmare on how close some of these rounds are. Very subjective and obviously it could go either way, but here ya go.

    Round 1: 10-9 Young
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-9 Young
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-9 Norton
    Round 6: 10-9 Norton
    Round 7: 10-9 Norton
    Round 8: 10-9 Young
    Round 9: 10-10 Even
    Round 10: 10-9 Young
    Round 11: 10-9 Norton
    Round 12: 10-9 Young
    Round 13: 10-10 Even
    Round 14: 10-9 Young
    Round 15: 10-9 Norton

    145-144 Young

    Man, 4 even rounds. I never have 4 even rounds. But I just believe it would be a disservice to a fighter to try to come up with a winner of a round just so you don't have an even round. And these rounds were that close. A fight that close one cannot have a problem with it going either way, as long as the judges scored it close, which they did. Senya, you had it a bit wider than I.
     
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  13. mrkoolkevin

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    Wow, I've never seen a spread that wide for Leonard! You should post that in the Fight of the Week #1 thread.
     
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    Julio Cesar Chavez v Meldrick Taylor I

    Round 1: 10-9 Taylor
    Round 2: 10-9 Taylor
    Round 3: 10-9 Taylor
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-9 Taylor
    Round 6: 10-9 Taylor
    Round 7: 10-9 Taylor
    Round 8: 10-9 Taylor
    Round 9: 10-10 Even
    Round 10: 10-9 Chavez
    Round 11: 10-9 Taylor
    Round 12: TKO for Chavez

    Total through 11 rounds: 109-102 for Taylor

    I always blamed Lou Duva for this one. Taylor was obviously buzzed and it didn't take much to distract a fighter seeing birds flying about, especially a cantankerous trainer on the ring apron raving at the top of his lungs. Had Duva kept quiet, not another punch would have been thrown because he likely would have responded to Steele.
     
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    Roger Mayweather v Harold Brazier for Mayweather's 140 lb. title

    Round 1: 10-9 Mayweather
    Round 2: 10-9 Mayweather
    Round 3: 10-9 Mayweather
    Round 4: 10-9 Mayweather
    Round 5: 10-9 Brazier
    Round 6: 10-10 Even
    Round 7: 10-9 Brazier
    Round 8: 10-9 Mayweather
    Round 9: 10-9 Brazier
    Round 10: 10-10 Even
    Round 11: 10-9 Brazier
    Round 12: 10-10 Even

    Total 116-115 Mayweather

    I highly recommend this fight for its enjoyment and how you see the fight. Tough one to score because you will have a fighter with greater output (mayweather) against a fighter who may not throw the quantity but rattles the former on a few occasions. So quantity v quality. These two left nothing on the table. They spent it all. Actual scores were 116-111 and 114-113 for Mayweather and 116-115 for Brazier.
     

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