the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 22, 2004
    I love the two bouts between Crawford and Mando Ramos.
  2. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    I loved the way Crawford would spin his opponent into a corner and make him pay. He did it to Mando a number of times in their first fight. He was a damn good fighter. I also saw his fights with Chucho Alonso, Memo Morales and Rodolfo Lobato back in the day. Too bad these fights aren't out there. Would love to see them again.
  3. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Oct 5, 2009
    Lamon Brewster vs Sergey Liahovich 12 Rounds WBO HWT Title

    1 10-9 Brewster
    2 10-9 Brewster
    3 9-10 Liahovich
    4 9-10 Liahovich
    5 9-10 Liahovich
    6 9-10 Liahovich
    7 10-8 Brewster
    8 9-10 Liahovich
    9 9-10 Liahovich
    10 9-10 Liahovich
    11 9-10 Liahovich
    12 10-9 Brewster
    F 112-115 Liahovich
  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Thought I'd have a look at a fight I saw but didn't score back in the day. Riddick Bowe v Tony Tubbs. 10 points must in effect.

    Round 1: 10-9 Bowe
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-9 Bowe
    Round 4: 10-9 Bowe
    Round 5: 10-9 Tubbs
    Round 6: 10-10 Even
    Round 7: 10-9 Tubbs
    Round 8: 10-9 Bowe
    Round 9: 10-9 Bowe
    Round 10: 10-9 Tubbs

    Total 97-95 Bowe

    Actual scores were 97-93 and 96-94 (twice) all for Bowe. But watching it I can see why many either have it a draw or for either fighter. It's a tough one, fought very tightly. Bowe was steady and Tubbs fought in spurts. In the end I was happy with my decision but can see how others differ.
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  5. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Dec 20, 2006
    Jung Koo Chang vs Sot Chitalada I

    Does anyone know the official cards? I don’t speak Korean and can’t find it on boxrec?

    Anyway, one of the most satisfying fights I have watched. Both guys are highly skilled (although my guess is Chitalada is pre prime? At this stage), but also dirty with quite a bit of fouling. The ref seems to be tilted towards Chang even though he gives him a couple of warnings, he gives more to Chitalada especially early on. It also seems like the judge deducted a point from Sot, so my card reflects that (please let me know if I am wrong, I can’t understand the commentary to confirm this.) Chang gets cut in the 6th (accidental head butt???), and really seems to impact him later in the fight.

    Anyway my card:
    1 Chang (Chang 10-9)
    2 Chang (Chang 20-18)
    3 Chang (Chang 30-27)
    4 Chang (Chang 40-36)
    5 Sot (Chang 49-46)
    6 Chang (Chang 59-55)
    7 Chang ( Chang 69-64)
    8 Chang (Chang 79-73)
    9 Chang 10-8 (Chang 89-81)
    10 Sot (Chang 98-91)
    11 Sot ( Chang 107-101)
    12 Sot (Chang 116-111)

    Man that cut Chang suffered in rd 6 seemed mess him up in 11-12. It looked bad, I thought they might stop it in 11, but glad they didn’t. Fun fight to watch. If you have seen it, well you know....but if you have not seen it, check it out, it’s worth the hour.
  6. ideafix12

    ideafix12 Active Member Full Member

    Jul 30, 2010
    Jesse Ferguson vs Obed Sulllivan

    1 10-9 Sullivan (very close round)
    2 10-9 Ferguson
    3 10-9 Sullivan
    4 10-9 Sulivan
    5 10-9 Sullivan
    6 10-9 Ferguson
    7 10-9 Ferguson
    8 10-9 Ferguson
    9 10-9 Ferguson( very close round)
    10 10-9 Ferguson

    96-94 Jesse Ferguson
  7. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Amazing that I never watched this or their rematch before. Missed it first time around, but better late then never. Holmes v Spinks I

    Round 1: 10-9 Holmes
    Round 2: 10-9 Holmes
    Round 3: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 4: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 5: 10-10 Even
    Round 6: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 7: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 8: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 9: 10-9 Holmes
    Round 10: 10-10 Even
    Round 11: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 12: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 13: 10-10 Even
    Round 14: 10-9 Holmes
    Round 15: 10-9 Holmes

    Total: 145-143 Spinks

    Age. Just a matter of Holmes being unable to pull that trigger and why he stopped the body punches - which clearly effected Spinks - I'll never know.
  8. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Dec 20, 2006
    I am taking a look at some controversial Canelo fights over the next week or so, and started with Canelo vs Trout-

    2 thoughts Paulie is the worst and tries to convince everyone, what they are seeing in spite of their own eyes. He is worse as a commentator than he is as a boxer, by a wide margin. He is likely my least favorite EVER well at least he is the GOAT at something!

    2 I think the judges cards while wider than mine are defensible. I have 2 clear rds for Trout making 118 possible, and 3 clear for Canelo. The other 7 were tighter IMO, but Trout just didn’t land enough. Throwing 8 jabs and landing 1 them getting countered by 2 of 3 landing is not controlling the fight no matter how frequently Paulie days it.

    1 Canelo
    2 Canelo (Canelo 20-18)
    3 Trout (Canelo 29-28)
    4 Canelo (Canelo 39-37)
    5 Trout (Canelo 48-47)
    6 Trout (57-57)
    7 Canelo 10-8 (Canelo 67-65)
    8 Trout (Canelo 76-75)
    9 Canelo (Canelo 86-84)
    10 Canelo (Canelo 96-93)
    11 Canelo (Canelo 106-102)
    12 Trout (Canelo 115-112)

    Canelo 115-112
  9. ideafix12

    ideafix12 Active Member Full Member

    Jul 30, 2010
    Lawrence Clay Bey vs Charles Shufford

    1 10-9 Clay Bey
    2 10-9 Clay Bey
    3 10-9 Clay Bey
    4 10-9 Shufford
    5 10-9 Shufford
    6 10-9 Shufford
    7 10-9 Shufford
    8 10-9 Clay Bey
    9 10-9 Shufford
    10 10-9 Clay Bey


    Close fight
    Very good fight to score for their different styles and very divided rounds.
    Shufford at times showed an excellent defense, he lacked heart to win the fight
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  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Anybody ever sit down and actually score the Tyson - Douglas bout rather than just sit back and take in the amazement of seeing Tyson getting thumped?. I saw some blurbs on the fight and never really noticed the scores. Larry Rozadilla had it 88-82 for Douglas through 9 completed rounds, which is sensible. However, the 2 Asian judges had it 86-86 Even and 87-86 in favor of Tyson. I had to sit down on this one.

    Round 1: 10-9 Douglas
    Round 2: 10-9 Douglas
    Round 3: 10-10 Even
    Round 4: 10-9 Douglas
    Round 5: 10-9 Douglas
    Round 6: 10-9 Tyson
    Round 7: 10-9 Douglas
    Round 8: 10-8 Tyson (scores a knockdown)
    Round 9: 10-9 Douglas
    Round 10: KO for Douglas

    Total through 9 completed rounds: 87-84 Douglas

    Can't see what fight the Asian judges were watching. I know there was a lot of talk of King getting to them, but I doubt that. No one gave Douglas a chance, so there wouldn't be any reason to put anyone in the pocket.
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  11. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Apr 27, 2005
    I think a Con like King would always have a contingency plan. This is particularly likely given he knew how Tyson's training was going and was present when Greg Page knocked him down in sparring.
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  12. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 22, 2004
    Just finished Mercer-Cooper, as it was highlighted last week on a thread here and I'd not seen it, with them being heavyweights and all.

    Good fight. Both are limited bangers without a hell of a lot of science in what they do, but they both came in motivated and ready to fight thill they dropped. They damn near did. Mercer drops the slow-starting Cooper with a straight right in the first, then they settle in to a grueling, mauling battle on the inside. Mercer has some difficulty initially getting through Cooper's peek-a-boo guard, and throws some awkward-looking things, but he soon opens up to the body and with uppercuts, opening Cooper up better for some straight punches.

    In the sixth, Mercer's jaw becomes horribly swollen and disfigured, and it takes him about three rounds to get his bearings again. Credit to him for fighting through that, it had to be awful. Cooper as always has those sneaky-short punches that he throws inside the bigger man's wide shots but he doesn't do it enough, and is pushed off balance by Mercer. In the final two rounds they've pretty much had it, and they coast a bit, which they've frankly earned. Mercer even jabs and dances in the 12th as much as his failing legs allow.

    1. Mercer, 10-8
    2. Cooper, 10-9
    3. Mercer, 10-9
    4. Even, 10-10
    5. Mercer 10-9
    6. Cooper, 10-9
    7. Cooper 10-9
    8. Mercer 10-9
    9. Mercer 10-9 (Mercer seems suddenly awake again)
    10. Mercer 10-9
    11. Mercer 10-9
    12. Mercer 10-9

    117-111 Mercer
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  13. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Dec 20, 2006
    Canelo Alvarez vs Erislandy Lara

    Back to watching some controversial Canelo cards, and I don’t see this one as controversial as many seem too? It is my 2nd time watching this fight but my first scoring it. My thought from the first go around just an overview gut feeling was Alvarez dominated the fight, but I did not score it till today. To me Lara did not do enough. He was on his bicycle all night and didn’t exchange enough. He had foot and hand speed and would flash a combo and move but nothing of substance for the most part imo. The 4 rounds I did have fit Lara I thought were close enough to be even or go the other way. Of the Canelo rds I only thought 1 was close enough to be even. For me he won 4-9 clear? But perhaps others see it differently? I guess that is part of what makes scoring debating outcomes fun.

    1 Lara
    2 Canelo (19-19)
    3 Lara (Lara 29-28)
    4 Canelo (38-38)
    5 Canelo (Canelo 48-47)
    6 Canelo (Canelo 58-56)
    7 Canelo (Canelo 68-65)
    8 Canelo (Canelo 78-74)
    9 Canelo (Canelo 88-83)
    10 Lara (Canelo 97-93)
    11 Lara (Canelo 106-103)
    12 Canelo (Canelo 116-112)

    To me Canelo was clearly landing the better harder cleaner punches consistently through this fight.
  14. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Dec 20, 2006
    Myung Woo Yuh vs Joey Olivo

    Well this sucks! This is kind of like doing a jigsaw puzzle only to find a couple of missing pieces! I was watching round 5 or so I thought, when I realized it was round 6...scroll back to find no round 3. Paying closer attention lol and man round 10 is missing. As well as the first minute of rd 14. Now I scored 14 for Yuh, based upon the 2 minutes available...the thing is the pattern for most of the fight was Olivo controlling the early portion of rounds with his JAB (he needs to get mentioned the next time someone dies a best jabs thread) and fast combos, then when Yuh was able to finally get inside he seemed to close the rounds out better with the cleaner harder punches. There are only 2 rounds that I felt were decisive both towards Olivo. So scoring on the 12 full rounds available (I did not use 14 since it was incomplete, or 3 & 10). I scored it 115-115...but I don’t feel like I have enough facts to rate thedecision...enjoyable fight but left with that empty feeling of 7 missing minutes of action!

    1 Olivo
    2 Even (Olivo 20-19)
    4 Yuh (29-29)
    5 Olivo (Olivo 39-38)
    6 Yuh (48-48)
    7 Olivo (Olivo 58-57)
    8 Yuh (67-67)
    9 Olivo (Olivo 77-76)
    10 MISSING
    11 Yuh (86-86)
    12 Olivo (Olivo 96-95)
    13 Even (Olivo 106-105)
    14 incomplete
    15 Yuh (115-115)

    Draw 115-115

    Does anyone know if the full fight exists?
  15. Jel

    Jel Well-Known Member Full Member

    Oct 20, 2017
    Alexis Arguello - Alfredo Escalera 2

    R1 10-9
    The feeling out stage lasted 90 seconds then they both got on with it and started blasting - Arguello with the more effective, accurate punches.

    R2 9-10
    Arguello struggling to find his range in this round, Escalera boxing very well, blocking a lot of Alexis's shots and scoring well with his.

    R3 10-10
    An either way kind of round; slightly favoured Escalera until Arguello put together a terrific combo at the end to take a share of the round.

    R4 10-8
    Arguello takes control, dropping Escalera with a left hook.

    R5 10-7
    Disastrous start to the round for Escalera; carelessly walked into another big left hook. Arguello follows up looking for the earlier-than-expected stoppage and the ref gives Escalera a standing 8 count. Then Escalera explodes! Comes gunning for Arguello and probably figures with the ref's intervention he might as well go out fighting. Respect at the end from Arguello to acknowledge Alfredo's efforts. Still, big round from Arguello and Escalera has a mountain to climb.

    R6 10-9
    Ref checks on Escalera's cut; blood streaming around and under the eyes now. Arguello doing the better quality work, although still can't seem to discourage the ever-advancing Alfredo.

    R7 10-9 (v close)
    R8 9-10
    R9 9-10 (close)
    R10 9-10 (tough round to score; both fighters looking tired)
    R11 10-9 (Arguello stamps his authority at the beginning of the round and controls the last minute)
    R12 9-10 (close)
    R13 Arguello KOs Escalera

    I made it 6-5-1 in rounds and 115-111 on points to Arguello up to the 13th round.

    An unambiguously great fight and better than their first. It kind of reminds me a bit of Sanchez-Nelson in that the champion is on top by virtue of knockdowns but the challenger gets stronger as the fight goes on and is at the point of rallying when the final hammer is dropped.

    Arguello must have thought he was going to finish things in the 5th when he dropped Escalera and the ref intervened with the standing 8 count but Alfredo showed remarkable heart to come back in that round and the rest of the fight.
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