the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh no! I was hoping that would be fight of the week in a week or 2 lol

    And I disagree that it was better than the first fight...to me fight one is my all time fav! But both are great
     
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  2. Jel

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    Sorry, I got impatient! No worries, I’ll save the first one for then and I can always rewatch the second as it’s one of my all-time favs as well. It may even convince me that the first is better!
     
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  3. scartissue

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    Here are a couple of Pinklon Thomas fights just for the fun of it. Thomas against Tim Witherspoon and Mike Weaver

    Round 1: 10-9 Witherspoon
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-9 Thomas
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-8 Thomas (Point deducted from TW for repeated backhands)
    Round 6: 10-9 Thomas
    Round 7: 10-9 Thomas
    Round 8: 10-9 Witherspoon
    Round 9: 10-9 Witherspoon
    Round 10: 10-9 Thomas
    Round 11: 10-10 Even
    Round 12: 10-9 Thomas

    Total: 117-113 Thomas

    Those first 4 rounds were very close and those haymakers of Witherspoon could change the complexion of a fight depending on what a judge is looking for. Actual scores were 114-114, 115-112 and 116-112 for a majority decision to Thomas.

    Round 1: 10-8 Thomas (scores a knockdown)
    Round 2: 10-9 Thomas
    Round 3: 10-9 Weaver
    Round 4: 10-9 Weaver
    Round 5: 10-9 Weaver
    Round 6: 10-9 Thomas
    Round 7: 10-9 Thomas
    Round 8: Thomas scores a KO

    Total through 7 completed rounds: 67-65 Thomas

    This bout was still anybodys. The famous Weaver second wind hadn't kicked yet and I could see him eventually putting the hurt on Thomas down the stretch. But at 33 it wasn't to be and a clean one-punch KO for Thomas between two very evenly matched pugs.
     
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    Here is a fight I didn't know was out there. The second fight between Nino Valdes and Bob Baker. Two fighters who really deserved respective shots at Marciano. Regardless, the reports on this fight suggested it wasn't much of a fight, but I found it to be a good fight. 10 point must system in effect.

    Round 1: 10-9 Valdes
    Round 2: 10-9 Baker
    Round 3: 10-9 Baker
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-9 Baker
    Round 6: 10-9 Valdes
    Round 7: 10-9 Valdes
    Round 8: 10-9 Baker
    Round 9: 10-9 Baker
    Round 10: 10-9 Baker

    Total: 97-94 Baker

    That last round could have been scored even - they really let it all hang out - but I thought Baker was just that much more pinpoint. Again, I thought it was a good contest. Actual scores were 97-95, 99-91 and 98-92 all for Baker.
     
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    I had posted this on the FOTW thread, but it belongs here. Patterson v Ellis

    Round 1: Ellis
    Round 2: Patterson
    Round 3: Ellis
    Round 4: Patterson
    Round 5: Even
    Round 6: Patterson
    Round 7: Patterson
    Round 8: Patterson
    Round 9: Ellis
    Round 10: Patterson
    Round 11: Ellis
    Round 12: Ellis
    Round 13: Patterson
    Round 14: Patterson
    Round 15: Ellis

    Total: 8-6-1 Patterson

    I should mention a couple of things about referee Harold Valan. First, not scoring the 14th a knockdown for Patterson was irrelevant, because he did score the round for Patterson and on a rounds basis Patterson wasn't going to get any extra points anyway. I do feel it was a knockdown and Ellis can be seen shaking his head in order to clear the cobwebs. You don't do that after a slip. I do agree with what Valan said at the end, that Patterson wasn't throwing enough punches. I did feel he threw enough, but his workrate could have been better. Considering his age, it is what it is, and still a monumental performance.
     
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    I don't normally sit through a grainy film due to the fact much can be lost on perception. However, this was ...OK. Jesus Pimental vs. Jose Medel over 10 rounds, California scoring. One point for a round, none for even rounds and an extra point for a knockdown.

    Round 1: Even
    Round 2: Medel
    Round 3: Medel
    Round 4: Pimental (scores a knockdown)
    Round 5: Pimental
    Round 6: Pimental (on the film this was an abbreviated round so I had to take a leap of faith on what I had seen up to that point)
    Round 7: Medel
    Round 8: Even
    Round 9: Medel (scores 2 knockdowns)
    Round 10: Pimental

    Total: 6-5 Medel

    Actual scores were 7-4 (twice) and 8-6 all for Medel. Not only was this fight hard-banging it was a pleasure watching the traps Medel was setting along the ropes. He had a sharp, speedy jab and was a killer counter-puncher. Pimental's jab was hard and not so speedy, but his power was evident. Damn good fight and I would have loved to have been at ringside. The sound of these bombs they were throwing had to be sublime.
     
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  7. salsanchezfan

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    Last week I finished Betulio Gonzalez-Shoji Oguma II. I have to say, for flyweights it was pretty devoid of action and dull, except for the drama that built in the second half of the fight as Gonzalez fought his way back into it.

    The first half saw both waiting for the other to commit, so little was thrown or landed. Oguma was just a little sharper and quicker and banked round after round. After nine rounds, I had him running away with it, 7-2. All the rounds were close, but he was winning almost all of them.

    Then Gonzalez started winning rounds. At first it seemed too little too late as all Oguma had to do was win one more round to put him over the top. And I waited and waited for that decisive round to come and it just never came. Suddenly, I realized that after 14 rounds I had it dead even at 7-7. Miraculous comeback by Gonzalez. It wasn't exactly a free for all in the 15th, but both fought as if they needed the round. On my card, they did. It was like the others in that there wasn't much to choose from and it could probably have gone either way. I had it for Oguma, finally, finally giving him that round to put him over the top.

    Gonzalez went nuts in protest, but I don't see too much reason for him to complain. Far too close in every round and everything seemed very inconclusive the whole way.
     
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    Scoring some FOTW matches and wanted to score Victor Galindez Vs Yaqui Lopez I before I get to the 2nd one. Good fight. Tale of 2 fights for me with neither guy dominating the fight even if they ran off a few rounds. To me Yaqui controlled but didn’t dominate 1-7, and Galindez contrilled But didn’t dominate 8-15. Heard that Galindez was struggling with bronchitis leading into the fight? Not sure if it is true. Galindez’s punches were wild and sloppy at times but he was as tough and physical as ever even if he didn’t look his best. Galindez was very dirty and hit with low blows and behind the head multiple (understatement) times with no warnings. Finally received a warning in rd 11, 2 in 14 and 2 in 15. But like Quarry said if you don’t take a point he will keep doing it. On
    My card he was lucky not to receive a deduction because he would have lost his belt....probably not the case for the judges.

    Quarry and Squire were very good competent commentators and wished we had more fights with them. Enjoyed Quarry scoring the fight after me and only had 3 rounds different. I gave the 3rd to Lopez and he had it even, I scored 5 even he scored Lopez evening our cards back up...then he gave 7 to Galindez I scored Lopez making his a 2 point win and mine a draw!

    RBR
    1 Lopez
    2 Galindez (19-19)
    3 Lopez (Lopez 29-28)
    4 Lopez (Lopez 39-37)
    5 DRAW (Lopez 49-47)
    6 Lopez (Lopez 59-56)
    7 Lopez (Lopez 69-65)
    8 Galindez (Lopez 78-75)
    9 Galindez (Lopez 87-85)
    10 Galindez (Lopez 96-95)
    11 Galindez (Lopez 105-105)
    12 Lopez (Lopez 115-114)
    13 Lopez (Lopez 125-123)
    14 Galindez (Lopez 134-133)
    15 Galindez (Draw 143-143)

    Galindez didn’t win on my card but did deserve to keep his belt! So even though I don’t think he won, no miscarriage of justice, except perhaps for the ref who didn’t control the fight fairly. Decent job by the judges with no unfair wide cards
     
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  9. KO KIDD

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    Finally got around to watching Jermell Charlo vs Tony Harrison and all I can say is I do not understand these loud cries of robbery on Facebook and YouTube comment sections, I swear they attract the biggest no-nothing fans of the sport

    I had it 114-114 or 6-6 in rounds

    I scored Harrison rounds 2-4, 9 and 10
    Charlo I had win rounds 1, 6-8, 11 and 12

    I did give Harrison round 2 but felt a little guilty about it but then again Hazzard Jr gave Harrison the 6th

    Here is a summary of my takeaways:

    -The crowd did not boo the decision
    -Charlo's corner begged him to go for the KO going into round 12
    -After round 10 PBC highlights of the first 10 rounds showed more highlights for Harrison than Charlo
    -Charlo ate jabs all night
    -Harrison landed solid counter rights all night and typically responded with a counter any time Charlo landed something
    -Charlo missed constantly and his jab was not effective at all

    That commentary team was an echo chamber of terrible
    "he cant win by boxing like this"
    "he cant get a decision in a championship fighting this defensive"
    -they ignored constant good work by Harrison and were giving Charlo points for missing punches and merely coming forward. Round 9 was especially nauseating as Charlo got nailed by a right hand and put his gloves out and the team still had something negative to say about Harrison after Charlo landed nothing of note in the round and swallowed a right hand with no response

    I'm not trying to sound biased I just thought the commentary crew was awful, the Larry Hazzard scorecard was dreadful but not as bad as his score in the main event with Jermall Charlo vs Korobov, and the cries of foul and robbery are just way off the mark

    That said I think the 116-112 for Harrison is a poor score but I think 115-113 is well within the realm of possibility just flip round 6 on my card and tuh duh

    I think a rematch would be a very interesting fight. I saw both Charlos that night as plodding, easily countered and not able to adapt or adjust. However, both gutted out the final rounds of the fight and had big 12th rounds when they needed it and I have to commend them for that. Jermell hits very hard and Harrison was cognoscente of that fact all night and fought accordingly. Harrison caught the attention of Charlo a few times but only seemed to rock him maybe one time. Can Harrison fight that safe, careful and limiting fight for 12 rounds again and win? I dont know. Can Charlo improve his jab and be better prepared for counters, we will see. I will say there were still plenty of missed opportunities for Harrison with Charlo completely out of position when missing that did not get taken advantage of
     
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    Fernando Vargas vs Winky Wright

    I had this fight even 114-114 or 6 rounds a piece

    Vargas taking: 1,3,4,7,10,and 12
    Wright winning: 2,5,6,8,9,and 11

    I agreed with Davd Hess who had it 114-114 too
    The 116-112 was far too wide
    Lederman had it 115-113 Wright

    Lederman and I had it even after 6 and the punch stats were basically level kind of how Pacquiao vs Marquez II was at stretches. I dont like to cite punch stat but I think in this case it is a good indicator of how close the match started off.

    I thought Wright's corner made a big mistake telling him he was up big after round 9 and Wright clearly took his foot off the gas losing the 10th and the 12th and on my card not closing the fight allowed Vargas all he needed to pull even from behind.

    Post fight Vargas cited out of the ring distractions as a reason behind his performance. I dont like excuses but I would say he looked a little flat compared to other performances and even maybe a little softer as far as hisbody goes.
     
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  11. scartissue

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    I just watched a terrific 10 rounder from Madison Square Garden. The first fight between Benny 'Kid' Paret and Gaspar Ortega. Let me tell you, wow! Scored on the NY rounds basis.

    Round 1: Even (This was Paret's round by a shade, but Ortega pulled it even with an amazing flurry in the last 10 seconds)
    Round 2: Ortega
    Round 3: Ortega
    Round 4: Ortega
    Round 5: Ortega
    Round 6: Ortega
    Round 7: Paret
    Round 8: Ortega
    Round 9: Paret
    Round 10: Even

    Total: 6-2-2 Ortega

    Actual scores were 6-4 and 5-4-1 for Ortega and 6-4 for Paret. And believe me every round was close. I think the best round was the first, but in the 10th, they just laid their heads on one another and banged away for 3 minutes. Great fight and this mere 10 rounder would put 'championship' fights today to shame. Again, close fight and its what you prefer. Paret's heavier punching or the busier style of Ortega.
     
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    Sal, I just saw you scored this fight as well. Was that not a terrific fight? Although our scores differ, it was that kind of a fight.
     
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    Anthony Joshua vs Joseph Parker
    1 :10-9
    2 :10-9
    3 :9-10
    4 :10-9
    5 :10-9
    6 :10-9
    7 :10-9
    8 :10-9
    9 :9-10
    10 :10-9
    11 :10-9
    12:10-9
    F:117-111

    1: 118-110
    2: 118-110
    3 119-109
     
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    Wow, this was an old one.........yes, tremendous battle. Another of my favorites is Ortega and Florentino Fernandez.
     
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    I have been meaning to watch this fight and don’t believe I have ever seen it. I am trying to see if it is on YouTube and bump it up my towatch list this week