the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Álvarez vs GGG II
Wow! I had forgotten what a great fun and exciting fight this is! Tactical and strategic like the first fight with more fireworks and better exchanges. Round 4 was super exciting, and rounds 5-6 10 & 12 were also fun. Really the whole fight was fun but those 5 rounds really stood out to me. I have scored this fight twice (this is the 3rd) and has Canelo 115-113 and Draw 114-114...TBF I can see anything between 9-3 Canelo or 117-111 to GGG 7-5 or 115-113. I didn’t have it on either wide end but think they are both realistic cards.

The commentary was much!!!!! improved over the first fight! There was a very slight bend towards GGG, but nothing over the top! Good job in a mostly unbiased commentary!

Ref: Benjy Esteves Jr. great job! His name does not jump out to me from other fights, but I would guess he has reffed some others. I didn’t even realize there was a ref in the ring after the fight was over! Pretty clean fight like the first one for the most part....but great job from a ref at appearing to not even be there. Good job imo

The fighters: 2 warriors who I enjoy and appreciate very much... to Canelo fans and GGG haters you are dopes! To GGG fans and Canelo haters you are idiots...I don’t care much for either of their fans, but love watching these 2 guys fight! This is a fun fight marred by jerk spectators on both sides lol

RBR
1 GGG (10-9)
2 Canelo (19-19)
3 Canelo (Canelo 29-28)
4 GGG (38-38)
5 Canelo (Canelo 48-47)
6 Canelo (Canelo 58-56)
7 Canelo (Canelo 68-65)
8 Canelo (Canelo 78-74)
9 Canelo (Canelo 88-83)
10 GGG (Canelo 97-93)
11 GGG (Canelo 106-103)
12 Canelo (Canelo 116-112)
Canelo 116-112 widest my card has ever come out on this fight.

I think there were 3 very clear rounds! 2-3 for Canelo and 10 for GGG (Canelo 2-1)

I think there were 5 very close rounds but felt 1 guy was able to separate himself: Canelo in 6-7-8 and GGG in 1-11 (Canelo 3-2/5-3).

I think there are 4 rounds that could be fairly scored 4-0/3-1/2-2 for either guy. Canelo 5-9-12 GGG 4. I think those 4 rounds translate to 117-111 for Álvarez or 115-113 GGG. I think the judges did a good job at scoring a tough fight. They were all unanimous 1-6 & 10-11 and scored it 4-4 in rounds. This is where what I felt were 4 close rounds to determine the outcome of this fight, and the judges were divided on all 4 rounds as opposed to the other 8 listed above. 6-8 all 3 were divided with 2 scoring 2-1 for Canelo and the 3rd (judge with the draw card) had it 3-0 Canelo. All 3 judges had it 6-5 Canelo going into the 12th with the draw card judge scoring for GGG and the other 2 for Canelo equaling their 2 115-113 cards.

To me 4-5-9-12 are really the only debatable rounds of the fight and however you see/score them is fine by me...I would only question the other 8 rounds that I feel were fairly clear.

 

Ortega vs Paret
While I am waiting for the next installment of FOTW I decided to finally watch this one...wow! What a great fun exciting 10 rd war. I could see 7-3 for either guy or anywhere between as is super tough to score these rounds. I might score it totally different tomorrow. Not sure how this has slipped my radar for so long, as this should be a staple on any “great fights” list and will now be one I use when responding to those threads! Thanks for posting your cards or I may not have even come across this one to sit down and watch!

RBR (I have no confidence in my scorecard lol)
1 Paret
2 Paret
3 Ortega
4 Ortega
5 Draw
6 Paret
7 Paret
8 Ortega
9 Ortega
10 Ortega

What a fun fight I had Ortega nipping it 5-4-1 (and if I had to fall off the fence in rd 5 I might go Ortega? Making it 6-4)...but what a fun fight I can see why the judges, media and fans were split...this is the epitome of a both guys deserved the win type of fight.

 

Camacho vs Mancini
Wow! What a dreadful fight to sit through! This is the fourth (and final lol) time I have watched this. Once live before I scored fights and twice having it 116-112 Mancini. I have always felt this was a robbery (I used that word a lot when I was younger), now I just feel it was close and NEITHER guy deserved to win.

The combination of ring size, Camacho’s lack of interest in engaging and tying up, Mancini’s lack of conditioning and ring rust leading him to also tie up too much; made for a dreadful fight to watch....what a let down! I can’t believe I used to get worked up over this horrific fight that no one should ever have to rewatch or rescore.

Side note Mills Lane did perhaps his worst officiating job, but in his defense Camacho didn’t want to engage, and mancini’s fatigue lack of conditioning didn’t help on the other side...

Anyway my RBR for the final time
1 Camacho
2 Mancini (19-19)
3 Mancini (Mancini 29-28)
4 Mancini (Mancini 39-37)
5 Camacho (Mancini 48-47)
6 Camacho (57-57)
7 Camacho (Camacho 67-66)
8 Mancini (76-76)
9 Camacho (Camacho 86-85)
10 Mancini (95-95)
11 Mancini (Mancini 105-104)
12 Camacho (114-114)

The decision is fair IMO in retrospect and the judges had their work cut out for them. There were really no decisive clear rounds, and I felt like Camacho edged Mancini 3-2 in very close semi clear rounds. And Mancini edged Camacho 4-3 in ultra tight close rounds with very little action. I can see 116-112 for either guy as reasonable and no longer will I cry robbery. Sorry it took me so long to see the light!

 

Leonardo Cruz vs Loris Stecca

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Tremendous stuff.

 

De la Hoya vs Shane Mosley 2 (114-114)

 

Philly, finally sat down to watch this one and, although I was comfortable with my score, this is a fight that could likely test your patience, what you look for, and your confidence when you actually hear the scores. Anyways, here is how I had it.

Round 1: 10-9 Camacho
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Mancini
Round 4: 10-9 Mancini
Round 5: 10-9 Mancini
Round 6: 10-9 Mancini
Round 7: 10-9 Camacho
Round 8: 10-9 Mancini
Round 9:10-9 Mancini
Round 10: 10-9 Mancini
Round 11: 10-10 Even
Round 12: 10-9 Camacho

Total: 117-113 Mancini

After the 8th round I heard Sean O'Grady say, "Great round for Camacho." I said, WTF is he watching? All I saw was a brief flurry at the end of the round by Camacho which looked good but I'm not going to forget about the 3/4 of the round that Ray chased, punched and hit Hector while Hec was clinching. When Hector could keep Ray in the ring center, he was golden, but Ray was all over him and it was just brief flurries from Hector. The first time I saw it I felt Ray won without scoring it. Now that I take pen in hand, I think Ray was robbed. BTW, official scores were 116-112 for Mancini and two scores of 115-113 for Hector.

 

Tony The Tiger Lopez vs Rocky Lockridge I
Wow! Definitely FOTY worthy! I forgot what a fun fight this was.

Both guys deserved to win and they were throwing nonstop. There was so much action I felt like the round was over and I would see the clock still saying a minute and half left in almost every round.

The judges had their work cut out for them as 8 of the rounds could go the other way and I wouldn’t be upset.

Shout out to referee Robert Byrd who did a great job, and outside of the KD and 1 break in the 11th I forgot he was even there.

RBR
1 Lopez (10-9)
2 Lopez (Lopez 20-18)
3 Lopez (Lopez 30-27)
4 Lockridge (Lopez 39-37)
5 Lopez (Lopez 49-46)
6 Lopez (Lopez 59-55)
7 Lopez (Lopez 69-64)
8 Lockridge 10-8 (Lopez 77-74)
9 Lockridge (Lopez 86-84)
10 Lockridge (Lopez 95-94)
11 Lopez (Lopez 105-103)
12 Lopez (Lopez 115-112)

Lopez did a great job surviving the final minute of round 8, and collecting his wits during 9. He came on in the 2nf half of round 10 and almost took it on my card.

Lockridge did a great job (as did his corner) after getting rocked in 5 and rocked and a bad cut on his eyelid in 6, to stay on point and turn the tide. He turned on the pressure in 8-10 to make this a super tough fight.

Fun fight to watch...if you have not seen it add it to your to watch list

 

Tony the Tiger Lopez vs Rocky Lockridge II
Not quite as good as the first fight but still a very exciting fight to watch. There seems to be some controversy over whether or not Lockridge was KD’d in round 1....looks like a clear flash KD to me? Some say it was ruled a slip? But at least 2 of the judges scored 2 10-8 rounds to get the totals...and if the 3rd judge had an even round (very possible with at least 6 tough to score rounds), then he did as well.

Lockridge did a great job getting back into this fight after 1/2 KD’s. Lopez did a great job (as did his corner) but not allowing his cut to take him off his plan.

Awesome fight to watch if you have not seen it....or to rewatch if it has been a while.

RBR
Lopez 10-8
2 Lopez (Lopez 20-17)
3 Lopez 10-8 (Lopez 30-25)
4 Lopez (Lopez 40-34)
5 Lopez (Lopez 50-43)
6 Lockridge (Lopez 59-53)
7 Lockridge (Lopez 68-63)
8 Lopez (Lopez 78-72)
9 Lockridge (Lopez 87-82)
10 Lopez (Lopez 97-91)
11 Lockridge (Lopez 106-101)
12 Lockridge (Lopez 115-111)

115-111 Tony The Tiger Lopez

 

Tony the Tiger Lopez vs John John Molina I
Continuing my journey through Lopez’s career. This fight is reminiscent of DLH vs Tito. Molina is outboxing Lopez early but gets on his bike to early in this fight. He pretty much gives away 6-9 and the early lead he built up, then when he receives the low blow deduction in 11 he was behind on my card to far to come back. A shame he gave this fight away in 6-9, and 10-12 sealed the deal. No hometown decision, just a boxer who mismanaged a fight.

RBR
1 Even
2 Molina10-8 (Molina 20-18)
3 Lopez (Molina 29-28)
4 Molina (Molina 39-37)
5 Molina 10-8 (Molina 49-45)
6 Lopez (Molina 58-55)
7 Lopez (Molina 67-65)
8 Lopez (Molina 76-75)
9 Lopez (85-85)
10 Lopez (Lopez 95-94)
11 Lopez 10-8 (Lopez 105-102)
12 Lopez (Lopez 115-111)

Lopez 115-111

I scored round 5 (No KD) a 10-8 round for Molina. Started a thread on this round to see how others score it.

Here is the vid and thread link 6:45 of the vid starts the round

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Thread link if you want to give your opinion

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/would-you-score-this-round-10-8.625387/

 

Tony The Tiger Lopez vs John John Molina II
What a brutal one sided beating. The crowds response of showering the ring was disgraceful! It should never have come to that anyway! Tony’s corner should have stopped this between 6-10 anyhow and spared Tony and the ref from this decision. Tony pretty much couldn’t see out of his right midway through the 3rd combined with the left eye cut in 6....he just couldn’t see to land or defend himself.

Total shutout for Molina 90-81. I could see 89-82 if you gave Lopez the close 2nd round. But not sure how you can give him the 2 rounds the 3rd judge scored for him. Total brilliant one sided boxing display from John John

 

Tony the Tiger Lopez vs John John Molina III
Man, this is a fun fight and while it will never overtake Taylor vs JCC in terms of hype or nostalgia I think this fight was much superior and has a case for FOTY in 1990.

I hate the narrative that Tony only beat Molina because of home cooking or home town decisions. To me he won I & III and to take away from them seems a shame.

RBR
1 Molina
2 Molina (Molina 20-18)
3 Molina (Molina 30-27)
4 Lopez (Molina 39-37)
5 Lopez (Molina 48-47)
6 Lopez (57-57)
7 Lopez (Lopez 67-66)
8 Lopez (Lopez 77-75)
9 Molina (Lopez 86-85)
10 Molina (95-95)
11 Lopez 10-8 (Lopez 105-103)
12 Lopez (Lopez 115-112)

Lopez 115-112
But man there are 8 closely contested tough to score rounds that I had 4 a piece, this is no robbery or hometown decision, just a great closely contested battle!!!!

Check this one out

 

Just watched Ricardo Mayorga vs Oscar De La Hoya.

Say what you want about old fishnets but he could really fight.
Smart, strong and tough. Mayorga weighed 172 on fight night and looked every ounce of that while De La Hoya was coming off a nearly 2 year lay off.
1. 10-8
2. 10-9
3. 10-9
4. 10-9
5. 10-9
6. Ref stops bout
50 - 44 De La Hoya.
Mayorga always threw everything at opponents - low blows, head butts, shots to the back of the head. His fights always had a lot of action.
De La Hoya was to smart and straight.

 

Tony the Tiger Lopez vs Jorge Paez
An underrated war, where both men dig deep and took it to each other all night. A fight that is much closer within the rounds than on my scorecard (or the official ones). The rounds are close but fairly easy to score I felt. I remember this fight live and was one of my most anticipated fights as a teen.

RBR
1 Lopez
2 Paez
3 Lopez
4 Lopez
5 Lopez
6 Paez
7 Lopez
8 Lopez
9 Lopez
10 Paez
11 Lopez
12 Lopez

117-111 Lopez
Good fight to check out if you have not seen it

 

Brian Mitchell vs Tony the Tiger Lopez I

2 of my favorites as a teen (and today) both get underrated or under appreciated in my mind.

I really feel this is a close fight and that literally every round could be scored opposite of mine and I would not argue. I found this one of the toughest fights to score.

Lopez- much better defensively than the narrative about him might suggest and he makes Mitchell miss a lot. He uses his jab very effectively for 10 rounds (dispelling another narrative that he is merely a limited inside body puncher), landing several in succession and follows well to the body. He also showed better counterpunching skills than I have attributed to him previously. He does a great job as Mitchell’s own jab became more effective in timing Mitchell and countering his jab with one of his own. He did solid work both leading and countering. He also to me landed the far heavier blows.

Mitchell a brilliant slick technician. He is/was a brilliant defensive fighter both fundamentally and with head movement and reflexes. His ring generalship especially over the final 4 rounds or so was top notch. His hand speed and combinations caused all sorts of trouble for Tony. In the beginning Tony’s jab was controlling the fight and distance allowing him use his 4 inches of reach against Mitchell. But by the 3rd Mitchell would begin to utilize his own as his movement allowed him to slip inside. Mitchell is a better infighter than I have previously attributed to him. Mitchell’s superior/excellent conditioning allowed him to control the final 3 rounds. Awesome fighter.

Awesome fight FOTY worthy IMO. Both guys struggled with swollen eyes, but were able to fight through that at a high level. And although it was Mitchell’s who looked worse it seemed to affect Tony more late. I felt Tony’s eye, late fight accuracy and poor conditioning left the door open for Mitchell to steal this fight.

I know the popular narrative is that Mitchell was robbed and Tony got a home town decision. I hate that Pacheco started this false narrative after the first Lopez vs Molina fight (Tony won IMO) staying that Molina won the first 6 rounds...FALSE! I don’t think robbery or gift is fair to either fighter and felt Lopez had as much of a claim to winning as Mitchell and can see 7-5/8-4 for either guy without being upset or questioning it. Once again if you can get by the crowd/commentary biases and appreciate this fight and these fighters it is a fight well worth watching or revisiting.

RBR
1 Lopez
2 Lopez
3 Mitchell
4 Mitchell
5 Lopez
6 Lopez
7 Mitchell
8 Lopez
9 Lopez
10 Mitchell
11 Mitchell
12 Mitchell

114-114 Draw on my card and both guys fought incredible.

I felt like Tony was controlling the fight and his jab and body work were mopping rounds. I had him up 6-3 after 9 rounds. But his conditioning and accuracy plummeted in the final 3 rounds allowing Mitchell to steal a draw. I don’t mean steal like he didn’t deserve it, but more that Lopez let this slip away.

 

Brian Mitchell vs Tony the Tiger Lopez II

The commentary suggests this was more action packed than the first based on punch stats...but the quality of the punches from both of them were not as hard fast or crisp as the first fight which was vastly superior in entertainment value for me.

Tony apparently sparred more for this fight than any other he had. He also supposedly trained to be in better condition, and his team reiterated that moments prior to the fight. However failing to make weight would suggest otherwise. He did look bigger but to me much slower and his punches were wider and looping and his performance while solid over the first half it still was not the equal of his first. He also seemed to fade in terms of condition and stamina after rd 7, where he did fine for 9 in the first one. Either age or the quality of his camp showed him to not be as sharp as he had been. A very sloppy Tiger

Mitchell looked very sharp and jabbed better and took control down the stretch making sure the outcome was never really in question during the final 3 rounds. His punches looked softer and less crisp as the fight progressed which was disappointing as he looked much better in fight 1 down the stretch. Still he was much sharper than Tony down the stretch and at the end of the day this is the most important thing.

The rounds are much closer than the official cards or mine which is 1 point closer than 2 of the official cards. But this time while close it was still a clear Mitchell victory!

RBR
1 Even
2 Lopez
3 Lopez
4 Lopez
5 Mitchell
6 Mitchell
7 Mitchell
8 Mitchell
9 Mitchell
10 Mitchell
11 Mitchell
12 Lopez

116-113 7-4-1 Brian Mitchell

Partly I wonder if this is the end of a prime Lopez (although I don’t want to diminish Mitchell’s work), or if perhaps he just cannot adapt. Guys like Azumah have a rep for excelling in rematches, where Lopez seems to struggle with adaptable boxers like Mitchell Molina and Thobela in rematches.

Decent fight but fell short of the excitement of the first encounter.