Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.
Well worth the time. Both fighters were almost always in good fights.
It is on youtube, Philly, and like Sal said, well worth it.
Here are a couple of Marco Antonio Barrera fights I watched not too long ago.
Junior Jones vs. Marco Antonio Barrera II
Round 1: 10-9 Jones
Round 2: 10-9 Barrera
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Jones
Round 5: 10-9 Jones
Round 6: 10-9 Barrera
Round 7: 10-9 Jones
Round 8: 10-9 Jones
Round 9: 10-8 Jones (point deducted from Barrera for continued low-blows - 3rd warning)
Round 10: 10-9 Jones
Round 11: 10-9 Barrera
Round 12: 10-9 Barrera
Total: 116-112 Jones
Actual scorecards were 116-111, 114-113 and 114-112 all for Jones
Amazing how a fighter can show up and have that Indian hex over a great. And this is the case here. You gotta give Jones his due.
Marco Antonio Barrera v Kennedy McKinney. An awesome fight. Here we go.
Round 1: 10-9 MAB
Round 2: 10-9 MAB
Round 3: 10-9 McKinney
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 McKinney
Round 6: 10-9 MAB
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-7 MAB (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 9: 10-8 MAB (scores a knockdown)
Round 10: 10-9 McKinney
Round 11: 10-8 McKinney (scores a knockdown)
Round 12: MAB stops McKinney
Total through 11 completed rounds: 105-102 Barrera
Official scores were 106-100 by all 3 judges. I just felt it was a bit tighter, but a terrific fight nonetheless.
Philly, these two might be candidates for FOTW.
I might sit down and redo these in the next 2 weeks! Enjoyed your post.
@mrkoolkevin heads up the FOTW as it was his idea! I just make recs and am along for the ride. I watch 10-20 fights a week and will pretty much score anything I can get my hands on!
My bad. Thanks for sending it on to Kev.
GGG vs Canelo Alvarez I
This is a decent technical fight, but lacked in some of the excitement I was hoping for both then and now. I don’t know where my original scorecard is but I did end with the same outcome just not sure if the rounds are the same...oh well.
The fight: in a nutshell I think Álvarez landed the better harder more telling shots. GGG forced the action dictating the pace of the fight and throwing and landing more shots. I know many/most feel GGG won but I feel many rounds could be tight and scored in a variety of ways. I think 116-112 is realistic for either guy although I have it just a bit tighter. Anyone saying it is wider...and well I question your impartiality and judging. The 118-110 card is as poor as the SRL- Hagler 118-110 card, and both mar what were otherwise interesting if not exciting fights.
Both fighters have/had a lot of in ring respect for the other, as evidenced by some tentativeness reluctance to let it fly. A shame that fans on both sides lack that respect for them both, as they are both great!
Kenny Bayless deserves some props and for much of the fight I didn’t even realize he was there. He did great at staying out of the video frame and the action, and although it was a pretty clean fight, he didn’t interject other than the few times he needed to. Great job Kenny
1 Canelo (10-9)
2 Canelo (Canelo 20-18)
3 GGG (Canelo 29-28)
4 GGG (38-38)
5 GGG (GGG (48-47)
6 Canelo (57-57)
7 GGG (GGG 67-66)
8 GGG (GGG 77-75)
9 GGG (GGG 87-84)
10 Canelo (GGG 96-94)
11 Canelo (GGG 105-104)
12 Canelo (114-114)
I think both guys could have done more to win decisively but neither guy did and I am happy with the official draw apart from Byrd’s card which I do feel is among the worst I have seen (SRL 118-110 Hagler or Roland Dakin 149-137 Minter over Antuofermo off the top of my head) and detracts from 2 otherwise solid fighters. I expect to get ripped by GGG fanboys Or Canelo haters but don’t really care.
I felt there was 2 very very clear not quite wide round but close to it. Rd 4 for GGG and 12 for Canelo (1-1)
I felt there were 6 close rounds that were still a slight favorite. 3 for GGG 3,7,8 and 3 for Canelo 1,2,11. So after what I feel are 8 fairly easy rounds to score....4-4 which is why I feel 116-112 for either guy is realistic and anything wider is not fair or impartial.
4 what I felt were very close rounds 5-6 & 9-10 I split between the 2 guys 2-2.... not on purpose lol. I might score these 4 rounds different each time I watch this fight. Once again I am sure many will disagree.
On the positive side I rewatched this with the UK commentary and found it much more enjoyable and unbiased even though they favored GGG 8-4 & 7-5 they were not actively campaigning for one fighter nor trying to sway viewer opinion like their American counterparts.
Álvarez vs GGG II
Wow! I had forgotten what a great fun and exciting fight this is! Tactical and strategic like the first fight with more fireworks and better exchanges. Round 4 was super exciting, and rounds 5-6 10 & 12 were also fun. Really the whole fight was fun but those 5 rounds really stood out to me. I have scored this fight twice (this is the 3rd) and has Canelo 115-113 and Draw 114-114...TBF I can see anything between 9-3 Canelo or 117-111 to GGG 7-5 or 115-113. I didn’t have it on either wide end but think they are both realistic cards.
The commentary was much!!!!! improved over the first fight! There was a very slight bend towards GGG, but nothing over the top! Good job in a mostly unbiased commentary!
Ref: Benjy Esteves Jr. great job! His name does not jump out to me from other fights, but I would guess he has reffed some others. I didn’t even realize there was a ref in the ring after the fight was over! Pretty clean fight like the first one for the most part....but great job from a ref at appearing to not even be there. Good job imo
The fighters: 2 warriors who I enjoy and appreciate very much... to Canelo fans and GGG haters you are dopes! To GGG fans and Canelo haters you are idiots...I don’t care much for either of their fans, but love watching these 2 guys fight! This is a fun fight marred by jerk spectators on both sides lol
1 GGG (10-9)
2 Canelo (19-19)
3 Canelo (Canelo 29-28)
4 GGG (38-38)
5 Canelo (Canelo 48-47)
6 Canelo (Canelo 58-56)
7 Canelo (Canelo 68-65)
8 Canelo (Canelo 78-74)
9 Canelo (Canelo 88-83)
10 GGG (Canelo 97-93)
11 GGG (Canelo 106-103)
12 Canelo (Canelo 116-112)
Canelo 116-112 widest my card has ever come out on this fight.
I think there were 3 very clear rounds! 2-3 for Canelo and 10 for GGG (Canelo 2-1)
I think there were 5 very close rounds but felt 1 guy was able to separate himself: Canelo in 6-7-8 and GGG in 1-11 (Canelo 3-2/5-3).
I think there are 4 rounds that could be fairly scored 4-0/3-1/2-2 for either guy. Canelo 5-9-12 GGG 4. I think those 4 rounds translate to 117-111 for Álvarez or 115-113 GGG. I think the judges did a good job at scoring a tough fight. They were all unanimous 1-6 & 10-11 and scored it 4-4 in rounds. This is where what I felt were 4 close rounds to determine the outcome of this fight, and the judges were divided on all 4 rounds as opposed to the other 8 listed above. 6-8 all 3 were divided with 2 scoring 2-1 for Canelo and the 3rd (judge with the draw card) had it 3-0 Canelo. All 3 judges had it 6-5 Canelo going into the 12th with the draw card judge scoring for GGG and the other 2 for Canelo equaling their 2 115-113 cards.
To me 4-5-9-12 are really the only debatable rounds of the fight and however you see/score them is fine by me...I would only question the other 8 rounds that I feel were fairly clear.
Ortega vs Paret
While I am waiting for the next installment of FOTW I decided to finally watch this one...wow! What a great fun exciting 10 rd war. I could see 7-3 for either guy or anywhere between as is super tough to score these rounds. I might score it totally different tomorrow. Not sure how this has slipped my radar for so long, as this should be a staple on any “great fights” list and will now be one I use when responding to those threads! Thanks for posting your cards or I may not have even come across this one to sit down and watch!
RBR (I have no confidence in my scorecard lol)
What a fun fight I had Ortega nipping it 5-4-1 (and if I had to fall off the fence in rd 5 I might go Ortega? Making it 6-4)...but what a fun fight I can see why the judges, media and fans were split...this is the epitome of a both guys deserved the win type of fight.
Camacho vs Mancini
Wow! What a dreadful fight to sit through! This is the fourth (and final lol) time I have watched this. Once live before I scored fights and twice having it 116-112 Mancini. I have always felt this was a robbery (I used that word a lot when I was younger), now I just feel it was close and NEITHER guy deserved to win.
The combination of ring size, Camacho’s lack of interest in engaging and tying up, Mancini’s lack of conditioning and ring rust leading him to also tie up too much; made for a dreadful fight to watch....what a let down! I can’t believe I used to get worked up over this horrific fight that no one should ever have to rewatch or rescore.
Side note Mills Lane did perhaps his worst officiating job, but in his defense Camacho didn’t want to engage, and mancini’s fatigue lack of conditioning didn’t help on the other side...
Anyway my RBR for the final time
2 Mancini (19-19)
3 Mancini (Mancini 29-28)
4 Mancini (Mancini 39-37)
5 Camacho (Mancini 48-47)
6 Camacho (57-57)
7 Camacho (Camacho 67-66)
8 Mancini (76-76)
9 Camacho (Camacho 86-85)
10 Mancini (95-95)
11 Mancini (Mancini 105-104)
12 Camacho (114-114)
The decision is fair IMO in retrospect and the judges had their work cut out for them. There were really no decisive clear rounds, and I felt like Camacho edged Mancini 3-2 in very close semi clear rounds. And Mancini edged Camacho 4-3 in ultra tight close rounds with very little action. I can see 116-112 for either guy as reasonable and no longer will I cry robbery. Sorry it took me so long to see the light!
Leonardo Cruz vs Loris Stecca
De la Hoya vs Shane Mosley 2 (114-114)
Philly, finally sat down to watch this one and, although I was comfortable with my score, this is a fight that could likely test your patience, what you look for, and your confidence when you actually hear the scores. Anyways, here is how I had it.
Round 1: 10-9 Camacho
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Mancini
Round 4: 10-9 Mancini
Round 5: 10-9 Mancini
Round 6: 10-9 Mancini
Round 7: 10-9 Camacho
Round 8: 10-9 Mancini
Round 9:10-9 Mancini
Round 10: 10-9 Mancini
Round 11: 10-10 Even
Round 12: 10-9 Camacho
Total: 117-113 Mancini
After the 8th round I heard Sean O'Grady say, "Great round for Camacho." I said, WTF is he watching? All I saw was a brief flurry at the end of the round by Camacho which looked good but I'm not going to forget about the 3/4 of the round that Ray chased, punched and hit Hector while Hec was clinching. When Hector could keep Ray in the ring center, he was golden, but Ray was all over him and it was just brief flurries from Hector. The first time I saw it I felt Ray won without scoring it. Now that I take pen in hand, I think Ray was robbed. BTW, official scores were 116-112 for Mancini and two scores of 115-113 for Hector.
Tony The Tiger Lopez vs Rocky Lockridge I
Wow! Definitely FOTY worthy! I forgot what a fun fight this was.
Both guys deserved to win and they were throwing nonstop. There was so much action I felt like the round was over and I would see the clock still saying a minute and half left in almost every round.
The judges had their work cut out for them as 8 of the rounds could go the other way and I wouldn’t be upset.
Shout out to referee Robert Byrd who did a great job, and outside of the KD and 1 break in the 11th I forgot he was even there.
1 Lopez (10-9)
2 Lopez (Lopez 20-18)
3 Lopez (Lopez 30-27)
4 Lockridge (Lopez 39-37)
5 Lopez (Lopez 49-46)
6 Lopez (Lopez 59-55)
7 Lopez (Lopez 69-64)
8 Lockridge 10-8 (Lopez 77-74)
9 Lockridge (Lopez 86-84)
10 Lockridge (Lopez 95-94)
11 Lopez (Lopez 105-103)
12 Lopez (Lopez 115-112)
Lopez did a great job surviving the final minute of round 8, and collecting his wits during 9. He came on in the 2nf half of round 10 and almost took it on my card.
Lockridge did a great job (as did his corner) after getting rocked in 5 and rocked and a bad cut on his eyelid in 6, to stay on point and turn the tide. He turned on the pressure in 8-10 to make this a super tough fight.
Fun fight to watch...if you have not seen it add it to your to watch list
Tony the Tiger Lopez vs Rocky Lockridge II
Not quite as good as the first fight but still a very exciting fight to watch. There seems to be some controversy over whether or not Lockridge was KD’d in round 1....looks like a clear flash KD to me? Some say it was ruled a slip? But at least 2 of the judges scored 2 10-8 rounds to get the totals...and if the 3rd judge had an even round (very possible with at least 6 tough to score rounds), then he did as well.
Lockridge did a great job getting back into this fight after 1/2 KD’s. Lopez did a great job (as did his corner) but not allowing his cut to take him off his plan.
Awesome fight to watch if you have not seen it....or to rewatch if it has been a while.
2 Lopez (Lopez 20-17)
3 Lopez 10-8 (Lopez 30-25)
4 Lopez (Lopez 40-34)
5 Lopez (Lopez 50-43)
6 Lockridge (Lopez 59-53)
7 Lockridge (Lopez 68-63)
8 Lopez (Lopez 78-72)
9 Lockridge (Lopez 87-82)
10 Lopez (Lopez 97-91)
11 Lockridge (Lopez 106-101)
12 Lockridge (Lopez 115-111)
115-111 Tony The Tiger Lopez
Tony the Tiger Lopez vs John John Molina I
Continuing my journey through Lopez’s career. This fight is reminiscent of DLH vs Tito. Molina is outboxing Lopez early but gets on his bike to early in this fight. He pretty much gives away 6-9 and the early lead he built up, then when he receives the low blow deduction in 11 he was behind on my card to far to come back. A shame he gave this fight away in 6-9, and 10-12 sealed the deal. No hometown decision, just a boxer who mismanaged a fight.
2 Molina10-8 (Molina 20-18)
3 Lopez (Molina 29-28)
4 Molina (Molina 39-37)
5 Molina 10-8 (Molina 49-45)
6 Lopez (Molina 58-55)
7 Lopez (Molina 67-65)
8 Lopez (Molina 76-75)
9 Lopez (85-85)
10 Lopez (Lopez 95-94)
11 Lopez 10-8 (Lopez 105-102)
12 Lopez (Lopez 115-111)
I scored round 5 (No KD) a 10-8 round for Molina. Started a thread on this round to see how others score it.
Here is the vid and thread link 6:45 of the vid starts the round
Thread link if you want to give your opinion
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