the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails Full Member

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    Jofre was too inconsistent in this bout. He could've won this one, Harada didn't look as sharp.

    One thing Harada didn't invest as much in, which basically won him the first bout, was the jab to the body. It was beautiful in the first bout, but here Harada soemwaht neglected it and sought out rights to the body without setup. Still, it was enough for him to win.

    I found this quite a hard one to score. I've seen several people with varying scorecards, there were a few who thought Jofre won!

    I'll have to score another bout soon. I quite enjoyed it!
     
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  2. PhillyPhan69

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    Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Manny Pacquiao

    What a dreadful fight that I only revisited because someone said Floyd won? I didn’t even remember a hint of controversy surrounding this so I decided to rewatch this snore fest and see for myself.

    What ensued is a defensive masterpiece from Floyd but an otherwise inactive and lackluster fight (and I use the word fight loosely).

    Manny just couldn’t land anything most of the fight both by punch stats and the eye test. Floyd didn’t really do a lot either, but he landed cleaner and Manny missed poorly for most of the fight. Floyd cut pacs normal out put in half and his accuracy in 1/4 of landed punches. No really wide rounds based on neither guy throwing or landing a lot, but Floyd won 8 rounds clear and Manny 2 (4 & 6), with only 2 rounds being close enough to call debatable in my mind. 9-10 could be scored either way with one judge scoring both for Floyd and the other 2 both for Manny. I thought they split them with Floyd winning 9 and manny winning 10.

    RBR
    Floyd 1-2-3-5-7-8-9-11-12
    Pac 4-6-10
    Floyd 117-111 9 rds to 3
     
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    Antonio Avelar vs Tae Shik Kim

    RD 1 - Kim 10 - 9
    RD 2 - Avelar devastating KO

    Not a hard bout to score at all, obviously. For a short time though, what a brilliantly destructive contest. That final hook from Avelar completely knocked Kim from his senses.
     
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    Roberto Duran VS Marvin Hagler
    1983

    Classic bout with two greats, that I re watched upon a request.
    I viewed this with no sound

    Duran Hagler

    RD1 - 10 -10 (Classic feeling out round)
    RD2 - 10 - 9
    RD3 - 10 - 9 (Duran winning at Mid Range, Hagler better inside)
    RD4 - 9 - 10 (Hagler snapping that jab)
    RD5 - 9 - 10 (Very close)
    RD6 - 9 - 10 (Close, great action)
    RD7 - 10 - 9 (Great generalship from Duran)
    RD8 - 10 - 9 (Very close, Duran edges with earlier work)
    RD9 - 9 - 10 (Duran looking weary)
    RD10 - 9 - 10 (Close, Hagler more forceful)
    RD11 - 10 - 9 (Hagler tentative)
    RD12 - 10 - 9
    RD13 - 9 - 10
    RD14 - 9 - 10 (Duran showboating :) )
    RD15 - 9 - 10 (Brilliant closing round)

    Total
    DURAN: 142
    HAGLER: 144

    Notes:
    1) This bout was really a battle of the feints. Very interesting exchanges throughout.
    2) This bout makes me doubt Haglers ring IQ. If he was more forceful, ala Hearns bout, this would not be such a close fight. For example, Hagler wins the 10th, then backs off in the 11th. Quite confusing.
    3) Great defense shown by both Duran and Hagler. Lots of closely missed or grazing shots throughout. Master skills.
    4) Some brilliant infighting to watch here. I never get tired of it.
     
  5. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    I think it's testament to Durans greatness that this fight was so close. Helps gloss over the Hearns blowout.
     
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    Been watching a bit of Bazooka Gomez recently. One fight was one I'd never got round to watching before, the other was a revisit of a legendary fight.

    Took a look at his first title fight at Super-Bantam against Dong Kyun-Yum, which I'd been meaning to watch for ages. Gomez had a couple of problems early on - he obviously had a quick knockout on his mind and came out like a man possessed. Had a tendency to get too wild and open when he threw his power punches and leave himself squared up, which got him knocked down in the opener here. I also gave Dong the 3rd round, but nothing aside from that. Gomez was a little untidy in the first four rounds but slipped through the gears round by round beautifully after that point. By the 7th and 8th rounds he was creating angles at the waist, countering, putting together combinations, working the high-low and spinning Dong now and then. Dong was very game and not bad technically, but way too limited offensively to win this. His corner or the referee should probably have put him out of his misery a little earlier than they did (perhaps shouldn't have come out for the twelfth). But Gomez showed his dark side with some of his fouling here. Which leads us on to....

    Gomez against Zarate, which I hadn't seen in a while. As great as he was in one respect, Gomez was a disgrace with some of his antics here. He got away with three separate fouls in the fourth round (low blows, holding and hitting for the second knockdown and then his cheap shot after the bell as Zarate was just rising again and when he knew perfectly well that the round was over) which could easily have seen him disqualified when you lump them all in together. Then there was another blatant foul (hitting Zarate when he was down) in the fifth, at which point Carlos' team decided they'd seen enough and threw the towel.

    But - on this evidence, he was always going to blast Zarate out of there anyway. Zarate looked as if he'd forgotten how to move his head and was looked a bit toothless even before the heavy bombs started getting thrown - Gomez's boxing was definitely cleaner in those first couple of rounds or so when there's wasn't much action.
     
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    Sugar Ray Leonard VS Wilfred Benitez

    I didn't score this bout, as it was my first time watching it! Blasphemous, I know, but I'm pretty young, so I'll use that as an excuse :)

    The lead hands from both Wilfredo and Ray were laser sharp, very cautious but tense exchanges, which I found incredible as it started to heat up. Extremely smooth and sharp and smooth movement that you don't really see anymore (except by the Lomas and Inoues of the world, but almost never in competition).

    Leonard really started to take over as he began to invest more into the body work around the 6th round, which further allowed him to land those overhand rights he was previously missing (he's right there!)

    Wilfredo definitely didn't look undertrained to me in a sense, he just wasn't as sharp as Sugar Ray. Doesn't make him any less of a fighter, but any problems he did have were probably his fault.
     
  8. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    Great fight and a seriously cool post.
     
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    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails Full Member

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    Thank you
     
  10. McGrain

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    Erbito Salavarria SD15 Susuma Hanagata (II)

    This is the second fight of Sala's three fight series with Hanagata; he wonn all of them. Sala's a strange character from flyyweight history and more than a footnote. He was involved in a hugely controversial fight with Betulio Gonzalez (drugs, weird variances with the scorecards) but this is from a couple of years later, where a presumably clean Sala proves he still has the goods. Doesn't get it all his own way though - far from it. Neither of these guys can punch so the fight is decided along glorious lines of smarts and work-rate. Hanagata's quick, flicking jab and aggression brings him the first round although it's possible to see Sala dominate the territory early moving in a tight circle, sometimes back, bringing Hana with him.

    Sala is smoother, counters well, and his jab is longer, but Hana's aggression makes him the leader early. It's his less graceful rushes and blows versus Sala's slicker moves as a crude measure of the action. But after five close rounds, it's the cruder work that is dominating proceedings. I haven't scored Sala a round yet and have it 3-0 to Hana. The body attack of the Japanese is key.

    Sala finally hurts Hana with a right hand to the body in the seventh. As tide-turning punches go it's nothing special and he still has all his weight over his front foot, making himself rushable - changing that would be the big difference-maker - but it's the first round of the fight he has bagged for me. That 3/4 were even on my card is all that keeps Sala in this fight. Heavy exchanges at the opening of the eighth; these continue throughout and favour Hana. Two neat counter-right-hands arguably bring Sala the ninth, but his situation is desperate. His problem is that Hana is consistently making the fight - the aggressor. Sala is so square that his lead left almost becomes his trailing hand as he circles. Hana isn't the type of fighter to get feinted though, not against a non-puncher anyway.

    Sala is basically only winning rounds where he outfights Hana, but he's waiting. So he's always bring up the rear in these exchanges unless Hana misses and he's doingno kind of job of making him miss. 13, 14 and 15 are all required if he's going to win the fight on my card. I gave him the 13th, but he's yet to tie two rounds together and in the 14th they were too close to call. I've never scored so many even rounds. It seems that Hana is perfectly capable of winning the exchanges, but he always lets Hana go first - so he's got the aggression point and also the punch advantage. This is pretty much how it pans out in the 15th and it's enough for me to give an exquisitely close fight to Hanagata. I feel relieved at this. He made the fight, was the aggressor throughout and although his work wasn't beautiful it was probably as clean as Salavarria's.

    Hellish fight to score.

    Salavarria:7,9,11,13,
    Hanagata:1,2,5,6,8,15
    Even:3,4,10,12,14,

    6-4 and five even, Hanagata.
     
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  11. scartissue

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    Saw on another site someone bringing up the Roberto Duran - Robbie Sims bout and how he thought Duran won. Realizing I missed that fight back in the day, I found the need to remedy the situation.

    Round 1: 10-9 Duran
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-9 Sims
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-9 Sims
    Round 6: 10-9 Duran
    Round 7: 10-9 Duran
    Round 8: 10-9 Sims (scored it even, but Duran lost a point for a low-blow)
    Round 9: 10-10 Even
    Round 10: 10-9 Sims

    Total: 97-96 Sims

    First of all - great fight! Fought in tight with beautiful, clean punches on both sides. Just felt Sims was a bit busier against the aging Duran who was puffing at the end. I had a number of even rounds but when you see the long levels of infighting, you'll know why.
     
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  12. PhillyPhan69

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    Mark Too Sharp Johnson vs Rafa Marquez I

    The winner is Robert Gonzalez!

    This was the worst officiating job I have ever seen! The fight was marred by fouls from both guys. The ref interjects himself constantly yet still does not maintain order in the ring. Finally he deducts pts in the final 3 rounds but he must have felt like the star of this fight. Without the deductions (which were warranted although issued later than they should have) my card would be a draw.

    A good contrast of styles. Johnson is a master of pace and range and able to control whole fights by his ring intelligence! He holds his own in the infighting but Rafa excels there landing more and better insude. I feel like Johnson got fatigued and then tagged really good in rd 8 and let this slip away. Good performance by both guys but I came away more impressed by Rafa largely due to Johnson fading in the latter rounds. Johnson was sharp and crisp early but couldn’t maintain it

    RBR
    1 Johnson
    2 Johnson
    3 Marquez
    4 Johnson
    5 Marquez
    6 Johnson
    7 Johnson 68-65
    8 Marquez 9-9
    9 Marquez 10-8
    10 Marquez 10-8

    Marquez 94-93
     
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  13. PhillyPhan69

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    Rafael Marquez vs Mark Johnson II

    The hbo commentary team of Merchant Lampley and steward was dreadful! This is why I hate commentary and fans who regurgitate the stuff they say.

    Round 1 Johnson is keeping the space better than in the first fight....NO!!!!! Johnson won 4 of the first 6 rounds in fight 1 including rounds 1-2. So no he was not fighting better/different he was actually fighting the same but not as well. He was out of range himself where in the first fight he controlled the range but was in position to land his own.

    Round 2 Johnson is boxing more/better than in the first fight, and not letting Marquez get inside....again no! Marquez won 2 of the first 6 rounds in fight 1 when he got inside and Johnson won the rounds where he established the range. Marquez really didn’t get inside effectively till 7-10 of fight 1.

    It is almost as if they didn’t even watch the first fight before this one. They were among the worst broadcast teams for a fight as I can recall!!!!!

    Referee Toby Weeks did a masterful job. Unlike Gonzalez in fight I. Marquez receives a stern warning for a low blow, and weeks is serious....no further fouls or pt deductions as in fight 1. Weeks controlled this fight without being a factor in it. Good job.

    Almost out of the gate this is different than fight 1. Johnson tried to dictate range and does, but is not as effective as fight 1. He looks old, and a shell of himself. He still has moments but his days of being too sharp are behind him! He is anything but sharp. He holds a close edge in handspeed but not as much as in fight 1.

    Marquez is ascending into his prime and Johnson has exited his, and the fight is not exciting because of this.

    Marquez boxes better innrhis fight and the handspeed gap has closed. Marquez defense and counterpunching has improved and he is landing more effectively because of it.

    Contrasts to fight 1- Johnson is throwing less and landing less than fight 1. In round 3 or 4 he throws 95 punches and lands 13? He established range, but to wide of one to operate in. Marquez is throwing less but landing more than in fight 1 and from 4 on his percentage is high and he lands the better shots.

    In rd 7 Johnson does not see the short compact straight right from Marquez and tastes the canvas for the first time. Text book right from Marquez! Great balance and leverage as Johnson holds his arms low after parrying a left and gets caught with a perfectly timed and thrown right.

    Johnson goes down again in the 8th from a left and then again seconds later. Weeks waves it off.

    Not a bad fight but not as good as the first.

    RBR
    1 Johnson
    2 Marquez
    3 Johnson
    4 Marquez
    5 Marquez
    6 Marquez
    7 Marquez 10-8
    Marquez TKO 8 68-64 at stoppage
     
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    Sergey Artemiev vs Ray Oliveira
    SD 03-11-1992

    Cool fight I watched based on a recommendation in another thread. Evenly matched all 10 rounds are closely contested. The judges had their work cut out for them with them scoring 0-1-2 even rounds. I also scored 1 Even. 1 judge had 98-94 Ray another 98-92 for Sergey and o don’t feel either card is bad even though mine differs from both.

    Good contrast of styles. Ray moves well and has quicker footspeed, quicker hands and a nice tight high guard d with elbows close to the body for 7 rounds or so. Sergey reminded me of a smaller lighter hitting Tito. Straight standing style, nice short compact punches, deceptive handspeed good foot placement and balance.

    Not great but a very fun cool 10 rounder just the same.

    RBR
    1 SA
    2 SA
    3 RO
    4 RO
    5 Draw
    6 SA
    7 RO
    8 SA
    9 SA
    10 SA
    Sergey 97-94 on my card.
     
  15. McGrain

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    Salvator Burruni UD15 Pone Kingpetch

    Pone is notably taller and dominates ring centre. Burruni wants to take it away from him but is shy of doing it with the jab. This leads to a really weird opening round where Burruni wants to suddenly attack, using either hand or both hands and with the body in mind. So this looks to be an i intermittent but violent confrontation. Pone wants the counter right early but is out-hustled in the first.

    Burruni is untidy but irresistable. He loses his balance, he slaps to the body, but he's getting purchase with his wide punches. Pone looks ready to be taken, having lost, won, lost, won his title in recent matches. Burrini's wide slugging looks like it shouldn't work, but it does; Pone is struggling to establish any distance and Burruni has a handy lead.

    The Italian's reverse one-two, with the left to the chest the following punch is a nice combination. But he's throwing the kitchen sink here. Uppercuts from nowhere, the riskiest punch, lead left hooks, counter left hooks, you name it. It's a dangerous, dangerous ploy against a fighter of class and a classic way to unseat a champ, betting it all and somehow winning. Pone's counters occasionally land flush and back the challenger up; peace reigns for a spell though until he wants to go again. Pone may have a say in the where, but Burruni is in charge of when.

    The sixth is a disaster for Pone. Burruni doesn't really do much but the challenger still wins the round with more moderate aggression. Pone just isn't landing much of note and doing nothing when Burruni wants to rest. Burruni is also ding a decent job of slipping the Pone jab in these rounds. Kingpetch does arguably take the seventh with a couple of very decent right hands, especially an underhand to teh gut. It underlines his paucity of body punches, for obvious reasons.

    The fight has become quite dull by the tenth, not least because Pone needs a KO on my card already. Burruni has tired, Pone is apparently not fit for taking advantage. So the fight boils down to how often Burruni misses. He needs to miss a lot for Pone to nibble his way to a round, hence the champion doesn't win many. He probably takes a tepid eleventh. Going off like a rocket has made Burruni unassailable, which was absolutely according to his fight plan, I assume.

    Pone, on the other hand, has an absolutely inexplicable approach to the fight, standing still in front of a much shorter aggressive opponent and letting him do all the running. Punching only a little, jabbing not much. He makes no changes in the course of the contest and absorbs a deserved, or very brave, beating, depending on where he was physically going in.

    Incidentally, the way the referee hung about Pone's corner between rounds in this fight was just plain weird. Maybe he was worried about him, i'm not sure, but he was always over there at bell; at one point he even appears to be helping Pone towel off.

    Burruni:1,2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,13,
    Kingpetch:7,11,12,14,15.

    10-5 Burruni. Can't recommend this one except as a fine example of a balls-out title-winning performance.
     
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