the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronson Full Member

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    First time scoring post :)

    Eder Jofre VS Fighting Harada II
    1966

    Harada - Jofre

    RD1 - 9-10 Jofre (Nice body blows from Jofre)
    RD2 9-10 Jofre
    RD3 10-9 Harada (Harada came to life in this round!)
    RD4 9-10 Jofre (Close, almost scored 10-10)
    RD5 10-9 Harada (Brilliant movement from Harada in this round)
    RD6 10-9 Harada
    RD7 9-9 Harada (harada had point taken for butting)
    RD8 10-9 Harada
    RD9 10-9 Harada (Close)
    RD10 9-10 Jofre
    RD11 10-9 Harada
    RD12 9-10 Jofre
    RD13 10-9 Harada
    RD14 10-9 Harada
    RD15 10-9 Harada

    MY TOTAL:
    144 HARADA
    140 JOFRE

    OFFICIAL SCORES (5 point must)
    Referee: Nick Pope 68-69
    Judge: Hiroyuki Tezaki 68-71
    Judge: Takeo Ugo 69-71

    Notes:
    I scored using ten point must system as it is the method I am most familiar with.
    I found this quite a hard bout to score.
    Quite a few shots from Harada strayed very low. Lots of butting and head clashing also.
    Harada's right hand to the body is a beautiful shot.
    Harada has a very under rated defense.
    Jofre has extremely powerful and punishing body blows, but was too inconsistent in application.
    Jofre also gave up dominant positions to Harada, and was pushed around on the ropes frequently.
     
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  2. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Round 1: 10-9 Murata
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-9 Pintor
    Round 4: 10-9 Murata
    Round 5: 10-9 Pintor
    Round 6: 10-9 Murata
    Round 7: 10-10 Even
    Round 8: 10-9 Pintor
    Round 9: 10-9 Murata
    Round 10: 10-10 Even
    Round 11: 10-9 Pintor
    Round 12: 10-10 Even
    Round 13: 10-9 Pintor
    Round 14: 10-9 Pintor
    Round 15: 10-9 Murata

    Total: 145-144 Pintor

    What a fight! I recall seeing a clip back in the day of Murata against Chandler and I though he was just a big slapping type puncher, but seeing him in this fight in its entirety I have changed my tune. More of a clubbing puncher, but what heart. I felt like an Asian judge with all my even rounds. A terrific ebb and flow to this fight. I didn't believe Pintor was in control until the 14th round, but then Murata actually came back to win the 15th on my card. Not counting even rounds, we only disagreed on rounds 6 & 8, Philly, but they were all so close and enjoyable. A really good fight and I have no problem with the draw decision.
     
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  3. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Takuya Muguruma vs Chan Young Park

    Muguruma (Red) vs Park (white) is a fun fight to watch! I deducted a pt from Park in the 3rd for a butt? It looked like that is what was ruled but I can’t tell for sure?

    A skilled puncher faces a skilled boxer and it is a fun clash of styles!

    Muguruma starts fast and builds a slight lead in the first 2 rounds. Rounds 3-7 are fun tight to score rounds, with Muguruma starting strong and Park taking the final half making them hard to score. 5-7 Park is shifting the tide and while the rounds are close he is edging them. 8-10 and 11 are largely Park just outboxing and gradually wearing him down before the ref waves it off in 11.

    RBR
    1 Muguruma
    2 Muguruma
    3 Park 9-9 with pt deduction
    4 EVEN
    5 Park
    6 Park
    7 Park
    8 Park
    9 Park
    10 Park
    Park TKO 11
    Park 97-93 at stoppage
     
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  4. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We both had 3 even rounds, although all 3 were different lol. Outside of those 6 rounds we had the other 9 all the same. Pretty good as this is tough to score.

    Difficult to score for a number of reasons, I think 8 rounds could be scored even or to either guy. Really difficult to score based upon the quality of film to be sure if punches were landing clear....the single stationary camera also made it difficult to see what was landing when one guys back was toward the camera, perhaps a 1/4 of the fight.

    Because of those factors I have even less confidence in my card as a good portion is based upon what I perceived to be effective aggression.

    As for Jel’s Question I am
    Not sure about rd 4? I think it would be scored 5-4 w/o a KD or penalty? But I didn’t think it was 10-8 level? I could be wrong but even though Harada was swarming him and taking the round, I felt like Eder’s defense was elbows tight to the body hands up high and even though Harada is throwing high volume I felt like Jofre was picking them off and blocking a good portion of them? But the film quality made it hard for me to say as an absolute either way.

    I felt like Jofre was not sharp or in condition and wasn’t stringing enough combos together. To much single punching from him. Harada seemed hungry and to outwork Jofre in many rounds because of that IMO! Harada seemed to overwhelm or outwork in the rounds he won, but rd 10? He boxed great and outboxed Jofre during that particular round.

    RBR
    1 Harada
    2 Even
    3 Jofre
    4 Harada
    5 Jofre
    6 Harada
    7 Jofre
    8 Even
    9 Jofre
    10 Harada
    11 Even
    12 Harada
    13 Harada
    14 Jofre
    15 Harada
    Harada 145-143
    Official card 5 pt system:
    Harada 70-68
     
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  5. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good job bro! For whatever it is worth we only had 3 rounds different. So we either both did good or poor lol. I did feel 8 rds were close enough to score a variety of ways.

    Good fun fight with a lot of ebbs and flow in action. Jofre once again didn’t string his punches together enough, and the volume and workrate of Harada were enough to take this close fight.

    Jofre starts faster than the first fight and while he takes the first couple of rounds Harada is investing in the body which pays dividends later on. Jofres jab is sharper this fight and he finds more success with his uppercut and overhand right than the first one. Harada just brought to much pressure and volume taking rounds and slowing Jofre even more during the final 2 rounds.

    Fun fight
    1 Jofre
    2 Jofre
    3 Harada
    4 Even
    5 Harada
    6 Harada
    7 Jofre 5-3
    8 Harada
    9 Harada
    10 Jofre
    11 Even
    12 Jofre
    13 Harada
    14 Harada
    15 Harada
    Harada 69-67 on my card
     
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  6. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronson Full Member

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    Jofre was too inconsistent in this bout. He could've won this one, Harada didn't look as sharp.

    One thing Harada didn't invest as much in, which basically won him the first bout, was the jab to the body. It was beautiful in the first bout, but here Harada soemwaht neglected it and sought out rights to the body without setup. Still, it was enough for him to win.

    I found this quite a hard one to score. I've seen several people with varying scorecards, there were a few who thought Jofre won!

    I'll have to score another bout soon. I quite enjoyed it!
     
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  7. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Manny Pacquiao

    What a dreadful fight that I only revisited because someone said Floyd won? I didn’t even remember a hint of controversy surrounding this so I decided to rewatch this snore fest and see for myself.

    What ensued is a defensive masterpiece from Floyd but an otherwise inactive and lackluster fight (and I use the word fight loosely).

    Manny just couldn’t land anything most of the fight both by punch stats and the eye test. Floyd didn’t really do a lot either, but he landed cleaner and Manny missed poorly for most of the fight. Floyd cut pacs normal out put in half and his accuracy in 1/4 of landed punches. No really wide rounds based on neither guy throwing or landing a lot, but Floyd won 8 rounds clear and Manny 2 (4 & 6), with only 2 rounds being close enough to call debatable in my mind. 9-10 could be scored either way with one judge scoring both for Floyd and the other 2 both for Manny. I thought they split them with Floyd winning 9 and manny winning 10.

    RBR
    Floyd 1-2-3-5-7-8-9-11-12
    Pac 4-6-10
    Floyd 117-111 9 rds to 3
     
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    roughdiamond Bronson Full Member

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    Antonio Avelar vs Tae Shik Kim

    RD 1 - Kim 10 - 9
    RD 2 - Avelar devastating KO

    Not a hard bout to score at all, obviously. For a short time though, what a brilliantly destructive contest. That final hook from Avelar completely knocked Kim from his senses.
     
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    Roberto Duran VS Marvin Hagler
    1983

    Classic bout with two greats, that I re watched upon a request.
    I viewed this with no sound

    Duran Hagler

    RD1 - 10 -10 (Classic feeling out round)
    RD2 - 10 - 9
    RD3 - 10 - 9 (Duran winning at Mid Range, Hagler better inside)
    RD4 - 9 - 10 (Hagler snapping that jab)
    RD5 - 9 - 10 (Very close)
    RD6 - 9 - 10 (Close, great action)
    RD7 - 10 - 9 (Great generalship from Duran)
    RD8 - 10 - 9 (Very close, Duran edges with earlier work)
    RD9 - 9 - 10 (Duran looking weary)
    RD10 - 9 - 10 (Close, Hagler more forceful)
    RD11 - 10 - 9 (Hagler tentative)
    RD12 - 10 - 9
    RD13 - 9 - 10
    RD14 - 9 - 10 (Duran showboating :) )
    RD15 - 9 - 10 (Brilliant closing round)

    Total
    DURAN: 142
    HAGLER: 144

    Notes:
    1) This bout was really a battle of the feints. Very interesting exchanges throughout.
    2) This bout makes me doubt Haglers ring IQ. If he was more forceful, ala Hearns bout, this would not be such a close fight. For example, Hagler wins the 10th, then backs off in the 11th. Quite confusing.
    3) Great defense shown by both Duran and Hagler. Lots of closely missed or grazing shots throughout. Master skills.
    4) Some brilliant infighting to watch here. I never get tired of it.
     
  10. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    I think it's testament to Durans greatness that this fight was so close. Helps gloss over the Hearns blowout.
     
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    Been watching a bit of Bazooka Gomez recently. One fight was one I'd never got round to watching before, the other was a revisit of a legendary fight.

    Took a look at his first title fight at Super-Bantam against Dong Kyun-Yum, which I'd been meaning to watch for ages. Gomez had a couple of problems early on - he obviously had a quick knockout on his mind and came out like a man possessed. Had a tendency to get too wild and open when he threw his power punches and leave himself squared up, which got him knocked down in the opener here. I also gave Dong the 3rd round, but nothing aside from that. Gomez was a little untidy in the first four rounds but slipped through the gears round by round beautifully after that point. By the 7th and 8th rounds he was creating angles at the waist, countering, putting together combinations, working the high-low and spinning Dong now and then. Dong was very game and not bad technically, but way too limited offensively to win this. His corner or the referee should probably have put him out of his misery a little earlier than they did (perhaps shouldn't have come out for the twelfth). But Gomez showed his dark side with some of his fouling here. Which leads us on to....

    Gomez against Zarate, which I hadn't seen in a while. As great as he was in one respect, Gomez was a disgrace with some of his antics here. He got away with three separate fouls in the fourth round (low blows, holding and hitting for the second knockdown and then his cheap shot after the bell as Zarate was just rising again and when he knew perfectly well that the round was over) which could easily have seen him disqualified when you lump them all in together. Then there was another blatant foul (hitting Zarate when he was down) in the fifth, at which point Carlos' team decided they'd seen enough and threw the towel.

    But - on this evidence, he was always going to blast Zarate out of there anyway. Zarate looked as if he'd forgotten how to move his head and was looked a bit toothless even before the heavy bombs started getting thrown - Gomez's boxing was definitely cleaner in those first couple of rounds or so when there's wasn't much action.
     
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    Sugar Ray Leonard VS Wilfred Benitez

    I didn't score this bout, as it was my first time watching it! Blasphemous, I know, but I'm pretty young, so I'll use that as an excuse :)

    The lead hands from both Wilfredo and Ray were laser sharp, very cautious but tense exchanges, which I found incredible as it started to heat up. Extremely smooth and sharp and smooth movement that you don't really see anymore (except by the Lomas and Inoues of the world, but almost never in competition).

    Leonard really started to take over as he began to invest more into the body work around the 6th round, which further allowed him to land those overhand rights he was previously missing (he's right there!)

    Wilfredo definitely didn't look undertrained to me in a sense, he just wasn't as sharp as Sugar Ray. Doesn't make him any less of a fighter, but any problems he did have were probably his fault.
     
  13. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    Great fight and a seriously cool post.
     
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    roughdiamond Bronson Full Member

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    Thank you
     
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    Erbito Salavarria SD15 Susuma Hanagata (II)

    This is the second fight of Sala's three fight series with Hanagata; he wonn all of them. Sala's a strange character from flyyweight history and more than a footnote. He was involved in a hugely controversial fight with Betulio Gonzalez (drugs, weird variances with the scorecards) but this is from a couple of years later, where a presumably clean Sala proves he still has the goods. Doesn't get it all his own way though - far from it. Neither of these guys can punch so the fight is decided along glorious lines of smarts and work-rate. Hanagata's quick, flicking jab and aggression brings him the first round although it's possible to see Sala dominate the territory early moving in a tight circle, sometimes back, bringing Hana with him.

    Sala is smoother, counters well, and his jab is longer, but Hana's aggression makes him the leader early. It's his less graceful rushes and blows versus Sala's slicker moves as a crude measure of the action. But after five close rounds, it's the cruder work that is dominating proceedings. I haven't scored Sala a round yet and have it 3-0 to Hana. The body attack of the Japanese is key.

    Sala finally hurts Hana with a right hand to the body in the seventh. As tide-turning punches go it's nothing special and he still has all his weight over his front foot, making himself rushable - changing that would be the big difference-maker - but it's the first round of the fight he has bagged for me. That 3/4 were even on my card is all that keeps Sala in this fight. Heavy exchanges at the opening of the eighth; these continue throughout and favour Hana. Two neat counter-right-hands arguably bring Sala the ninth, but his situation is desperate. His problem is that Hana is consistently making the fight - the aggressor. Sala is so square that his lead left almost becomes his trailing hand as he circles. Hana isn't the type of fighter to get feinted though, not against a non-puncher anyway.

    Sala is basically only winning rounds where he outfights Hana, but he's waiting. So he's always bring up the rear in these exchanges unless Hana misses and he's doingno kind of job of making him miss. 13, 14 and 15 are all required if he's going to win the fight on my card. I gave him the 13th, but he's yet to tie two rounds together and in the 14th they were too close to call. I've never scored so many even rounds. It seems that Hana is perfectly capable of winning the exchanges, but he always lets Hana go first - so he's got the aggression point and also the punch advantage. This is pretty much how it pans out in the 15th and it's enough for me to give an exquisitely close fight to Hanagata. I feel relieved at this. He made the fight, was the aggressor throughout and although his work wasn't beautiful it was probably as clean as Salavarria's.

    Hellish fight to score.

    Salavarria:7,9,11,13,
    Hanagata:1,2,5,6,8,15
    Even:3,4,10,12,14,

    6-4 and five even, Hanagata.
     
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