the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. McGrain

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    Salvator Burruni UD15 Pone Kingpetch

    Pone is notably taller and dominates ring centre. Burruni wants to take it away from him but is shy of doing it with the jab. This leads to a really weird opening round where Burruni wants to suddenly attack, using either hand or both hands and with the body in mind. So this looks to be an i intermittent but violent confrontation. Pone wants the counter right early but is out-hustled in the first.

    Burruni is untidy but irresistable. He loses his balance, he slaps to the body, but he's getting purchase with his wide punches. Pone looks ready to be taken, having lost, won, lost, won his title in recent matches. Burrini's wide slugging looks like it shouldn't work, but it does; Pone is struggling to establish any distance and Burruni has a handy lead.

    The Italian's reverse one-two, with the left to the chest the following punch is a nice combination. But he's throwing the kitchen sink here. Uppercuts from nowhere, the riskiest punch, lead left hooks, counter left hooks, you name it. It's a dangerous, dangerous ploy against a fighter of class and a classic way to unseat a champ, betting it all and somehow winning. Pone's counters occasionally land flush and back the challenger up; peace reigns for a spell though until he wants to go again. Pone may have a say in the where, but Burruni is in charge of when.

    The sixth is a disaster for Pone. Burruni doesn't really do much but the challenger still wins the round with more moderate aggression. Pone just isn't landing much of note and doing nothing when Burruni wants to rest. Burruni is also ding a decent job of slipping the Pone jab in these rounds. Kingpetch does arguably take the seventh with a couple of very decent right hands, especially an underhand to teh gut. It underlines his paucity of body punches, for obvious reasons.

    The fight has become quite dull by the tenth, not least because Pone needs a KO on my card already. Burruni has tired, Pone is apparently not fit for taking advantage. So the fight boils down to how often Burruni misses. He needs to miss a lot for Pone to nibble his way to a round, hence the champion doesn't win many. He probably takes a tepid eleventh. Going off like a rocket has made Burruni unassailable, which was absolutely according to his fight plan, I assume.

    Pone, on the other hand, has an absolutely inexplicable approach to the fight, standing still in front of a much shorter aggressive opponent and letting him do all the running. Punching only a little, jabbing not much. He makes no changes in the course of the contest and absorbs a deserved, or very brave, beating, depending on where he was physically going in.

    Incidentally, the way the referee hung about Pone's corner between rounds in this fight was just plain weird. Maybe he was worried about him, i'm not sure, but he was always over there at bell; at one point he even appears to be helping Pone towel off.

    Burruni:1,2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,13,
    Kingpetch:7,11,12,14,15.

    10-5 Burruni. Can't recommend this one except as a fine example of a balls-out title-winning performance.
     
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  2. PhillyPhan69

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    Felix Tito Trinidad vs Fernando Vargas

    Quite an enjoyable scrap despite the foul fest and 3 or deductions, this was still a fun fight to watch. 6 KD’s lots of ebbs and flows and momentum shifts. Lots of resiliency and heart shown by both guys coming back from adversity. At the end the up and coming guy succumbes to the punches of the more proven guy.

    Fernando May have gotten put here a year and 2 fights before he should have but he was still impressive. A little deceptive defensively and ducks and slips punches better than I recall. Pretty solid head and body movement from a stationary flat footed guy. Gets caught by a wicked left 30 seconds into the fight and goes down again seconds later. 2 minutes left in round 1 and it looks over....Fernando slowly gets his legs back under him and fares well the remainder of the round. Tito continues stalking in 2-3 and winning rounds but Fernando is competitive and gaining in confidence. Round 4 Vargas knocks Tito down and has him in trouble. Tito fights back and lands another low blow!!! Pt deducted, and what looked to be over in rd 1 is now dead even on my card. Vargas keeps the pressure on and takes round 5 to go ahead after a disastrous start. Rounds 6-9 are all closely contested but I felt like Tito was edging them and slowly wearing Vargas down. Another pt deducted from Tito in 7 and this fight is still tied on my card. Round 9 is fun enough to be considered as a round of the year candidate. By 10 Vargas looks slower and his punches have less on them, but he battles back in both rounds almost stealing them at the end. Round 10 this time it is Vargas with a low low deduction, and although he was warned a few times they were not as sever as the ones from Tito. Round 12 Tito lands and down goes Vargas. 3x’s fight is over!

    Very fun competitive fight inspite of my 5 pt card!

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    1 Tito 10-7
    2 Tito
    3 Vargas
    4 Vargas 10-7
    5 Vargas
    6 Tito
    7 Tito 9-9
    8 Tito
    9 Tito
    10 Tito 10-8
    11 Tito
    12 all over!
    Tito 104-99
     
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  3. PhillyPhan69

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    Oscar De La Hoya vs Fernando Vargas

    A pretty cool fight to revisit. Although it ends in a KO the scorecards are a SD at the time of stoppage. 2 for Oscar by a pt and the 3rd with Vargas up 3 (not sure I see that one lol?) I had a draw, but can’t see a case for Fernando...fortunatit didn’t need to go to the cards.

    Some real nice back and forth ebbs and flows and momentum shifts here. Oscar does well circling and moving outboxing (but comoetuve exchanges for both guys) Vargas in the canter of the ring. Vargas hurts Oscar in the first and third, and controls the action 1-3-5-6 when he is able to get Oscar to the ropes. Oscar does a good job of moving and slipping out of the corners while Vargas does a nice job pressuring and stalking but is just not able to cut the ring off or keep Oscar in the corner/ropes enough. By 7-8 Oscar is taking control and it looks like Vargas is on his way out. But in 9 Vargas digs deep and outboxes Oscar, turning the tide again. It looks like in 10 Vargas has regained control but Oscar catches him good towards the end of the round and Vargas is stunned! A very patient Oscar probes continuously before landing a perfect left hook that drops Vargas. Vargas is shot...DLH patiently fires away and then Vargas to the ropes and Oscar pounces and overwhelms until Cortez jumps in and waves it off! TKO Oscar round 11.

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    1 Vargas
    2 Oscar
    3 Vargas
    4 Oscar
    5 Vargas
    6 Vargas
    7 Oscar
    8 Oscar
    9 Vargas
    10 Oscar
    95-95 at time of stoppage! Good fight to revisit.
     
  4. PhillyPhan69

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    Sugar Shane Mosley vs Oscar De La Hoya I

    Very fun fight to watch with some real good exchanges and their styles mesh perfectly. I have now scored this 3 x’s and have a different result 1 for Shane by a pt 1 draw and now Oscar by 1. I think the Shane SD is a good decision either way.

    Good tactical matchup between oscars jab and left hook and Mosley’s over hand right, and right cross. Shane slips into and out of southpaw and changes the speed and tempo, but I feel Oscar got the better of those situations. Mosley comes on over the last 4 to steal the win or make it close depending on your cards.

    1 Shane
    2 Oscar
    3 Oscar
    4 Oscar
    5 Shane
    6 Oscar
    7 Oscar
    8 Oscar
    9 Shane
    10 Shane
    11 Oscar
    12 Shane
    Oscar 115-113 this time
     
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  5. scartissue

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    The Felix Trinidad - Fernando Vargas jr. middleweight fight. Here we go.

    Round 1: 10-7 Trinidad (scores 2 knockdowns)
    Round 2: 10-9 Trinidad
    Round 3: 10-10 Even
    Round 4: 10-7 Vargas (scores a knockdown and 1 point deducted from Trinidad for a low-blow)
    Round 5: 10-9 Vargas
    Round 6: 10-9 Trinidad
    Round 7: 9-9 Even (scored for Trinidad but penalized another point for a low-blow)
    Round 8: 10-9 Trinidad
    Round 9: 10-9 Trinidad
    Round 10: 10-8 Trinidad (Vargas penalized 1 point for a low-blow)
    Round 11: 10-9 Trinidad
    Round 12: Trinidad stops Vargas

    Total through 11 completed rounds: 105-99 Trinidad

    My scorecard was pretty much in line with the other judges and Harold Lederman's card. I scored the 3rd round even whereas 2 judges gave it to Trinidad and one to Vargas. The only issue we had where I am in the minority was the 11th that I gave to Trinidad and they all gave to Vargas. So I watched the 11th a second time and I still felt Trinidad took that round, albeit closely. Anyways, that's my score and I can see you and I are very close here Philly as well as you scoring the 11th for Tito. That's what I call watching the same fight.
     
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  6. PhillyPhan69

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    Shane Mosley vs Oscar De La Hoya 2

    Not a bad fight but not worth rewatching unless you are going through some of their fights like I am. Tale of 2 fights this time. Oscar outboxes Shane early and Shane outworks Oscar late. Oscar seemed to get tired and didn’t show much over the final 4 rounds, but his early lead led to a draw on my card....the judges saw it different.

    HBO commentary is dreadful in both fights. Merchant just doe not know.:::well pretty much anything boxing related. And his reflections on previous fights is seldom accurate it is almost laughable until you realize 1 he gets paid for this, and boxing fans repeat this drivel over the next 10-20+ years and then our forum becomes a swamp of woefully inaccurate opinions.

    Oh well onto joe Cortez! Can’t stand him, and while this was one of his better jobs he is still to vocal visible and involved in the action.

    RBR
    1 Oscar
    2 Oscar
    3 Shane
    4 Oscar
    5 Shane
    6 Oscar
    7 Oscar
    8 Oscar
    9 Shane
    10 Shane
    11 Shane
    12 Shane
    114-114
     
  7. scartissue

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    I need to tackle this one, Philly. When I watched t first time around I felt Oscar deserved it but didn't put pen to paper. Will have to have a go at it.
     
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  8. PhillyPhan69

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    So did I mate....be warned it is not exciting lol. But the commentary team thinks Oscar won as well. Anyway I had Oscar up 6-2 after 8 but had Shane take the final 4. If you give one of those 4 to Oscar you should have an Oscar card. I would have a hard time making a case for Shane winning though.
     
  9. PhillyPhan69

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    Antonio Margarito vs Miguel Cotto I

    Forget all the controversy that would come out after Margarito Mosley this was a heck of a fun fight.

    Cotto boxes brilliantly for 5 rounds, but the body attack pressure and all out assault from Margarito is brutal down the stretch.

    Cotto boxes brilliantly early sticking and moving keeping off of the ropes, but around round 4-5 he is taking 2 minutes or so of the round and can no longer get away during the final minute. Margo is throwing 100-130 punches per round and all with bad intentions. Cotto makes him miss a lot and his D and head body movement is excellent and Margarito only lands about 20%, but by round 6 that percentage begins to climb and Cotton workrate is cut in half as he is so busy trying to move all round. 6-8 Margo is all over Cotto who scores some good exchanges but is in survival mode and getting the worst of it. Rd 9 is close and Cotto more successful at moving and not getting pinned in the corner, and it’s a close round for either guy. Round 10 Cotto in survival mode again but has a slight edge for 2+ minutes but Margarito catches him and hurts him and takes the round. Round 11 Cotto is done retreats to the ropes and takes a knee under a barrage....again retreats to the corner and drops to a knee again....the corner waves it off

    I came away, even this second time impressed by Cottos boxing and movement as well as accuracy and clean punching. Margarito impresses with that chin (not once did he even look fazed) and absorbs big shots like nothing and man his punch output was off the charts good throwing 100+ in nearly every round.

    Margarito looked a good 10 lbs heavier and much larger? Not sure what actual fight weights were?

    Either way if you can enjoy this fight without dwelling on the later hand wrap issue and whether it happens here as well this is a fun fight to revisit!

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    1 Cotto
    2 Margarito
    3 Cotto
    4 Cotto
    5 Cotto
    6 Margarito
    7 Margarito
    8 Margarito
    9 Cotto
    10 Margarito
    Margarito TKO 11 in a very fun fight
     
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  10. PhillyPhan69

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    Shane Mosley vs Antonio Margarito

    The hand wrap controversy comes to light. Was this a one time infraction I will leave to others to debate. As a fight this was a very fun one sided dismantling of Antonio at the hands of Shane.

    Shane begins boxing as brilliantly as perhaps he has since his LW days. He one ups Cotto in that not only is he outboxing Margarito he has cut Margarito’s output in half. He successfully ties him up any time he does not like the way it is going and then lands and moves again. He outphysicals Antonio in wrestling and infighting. He never lets Antonio get set or comfortable enough to establish a rhythm.

    The 2 things that impressed me most were Mosley’s jab which may be as good as he has thrown in years. And his infighting. It seemed Margarito wanted a midrange firefight, but Shane dominated the infighting and Margarito couldn’t seem to get any leverage with his longer arms at this range.

    Masterpiece by Shane on par with any other great dismantling of a quality opponent!

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    1-6 Shane
    7 Margarito
    8 Shane 10-8
    Shane TKO 9 79-72 on my card
     
  11. PhillyPhan69

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    Ben Villaflor vs Kuniaki Shibata I

    Decent tactical steategic fight. To me the story lines of this fight are Villaflor seems a little lethargic especially early. He practically gives away the first 4 rounds and by virtue the entire fight IMO.

    Combined with the solid defense and quick combinations of Shibata especially in the rounds where he was not pressured.

    If Ben fought like the final 5 rounds he may have won this. But he seldom made Shibata uncomfortable and it would cost him his belt.

    RBR
    1 Shibata
    2 Shibata
    3 Shibata
    4 Shibata
    5 Villaflor
    6 Villaflor
    7 Villaflor
    8 Shibata
    9 Shibata
    10 Villaflor
    11 Shibata
    12 Villaflor
    13 Villaflor
    14 Villaflor
    15 Shibata

    Shibata 68-67
     
  12. PhillyPhan69

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    Kuniaki Shibata vs Victor Frederico Eschegaray

    Very cool tactical strategic fight.

    Eschegaray who I have never watched before has a jab among the best I have seen. He almost won this fight behind a jab 95% of the time.

    Shibata is constantly thinking and adapting a brilliant boxer defensively moving skillfully and countering in quick combination flashes and moving out of range always disrupting your rhythm.

    Very cool fight! Check it out if you haven’t seen it.

    2 KD’s by Shibata in the final round seal the fight. Eschegaray argues both of them, but they look legit to me and there should have been a 3rd between when his glove touches the canvas.

    I don’t know how to score the 15th with the 5 pt system in place, so I just have it 9-6 in rounds

    1 Shibata
    2 Shibata
    3 Shibata
    4 Eschegaray
    5 Shibata
    6 Eschegaray
    7 Shibata
    8 Eschegaray
    9 Shibata
    10 Eschegaray
    11 Shibata
    12 Shibata
    13 Eschegaray
    14 Eschegaray
    15 Shibata (+ 2 KD’s)
     
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    Kuniaki Shibata vs Ernesto Marcel

    Once again the word robbery gets tossed around to liberally for my taste. I have heard for years that this fight is a robbery? I don’t get it! To me the 6 pt 11-4 card for Marcel is the closest thing to a robbery here. I can see a draw or 2-3 pts for either guy.

    Robbery aside this is a technical masterpiece with some good clean punching but no real fireworks. Both guys are to good defensively and counter punching for that to happen....along with the fact that they paced themselves from the start. Many rounds saw them circle and probe for a minute to a minute and a half before exploring aggressively offensively. In many of the rounds first half of the fight Shibata would fight for 2 minutes and Marcel coming on strong the final minute better. Making them close to score...

    I felt Marcel won 4 rounds cleanly and 12-13-15 emphatically with Shibata only taking one prettt clearly giving the illusion of a one sided fight if you don’t score in 15 isolated compartments.

    Great technical fight for fans of the sweet science! I wish these guys had fought 2-3,times.

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    1 Shibata
    2 Marcel
    3 Marcel
    4 Shibata
    5 Shibata
    6 Marcel 4-4 pt deducted
    7 Shibata
    8 Shibata
    9 Marcel
    10 Marcel
    11 Shibata
    12 Marcel
    13 Marcel
    14 Shibata
    15 Marcel
    67-67 Draw

    Marcel winning 5 of the final 7 also makes it look like he won cleanly if you discount the close early rounds...the pt he had deducted (lame IMO) sealed a draw on my card. I had Marcel 8-7 in rounds and that pt was a killer.
     
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    Fidel Bassa vs Dave McAuley I

    This is the fight of the year 1987...or it should have been but I guess Hagler Leonard was much more exciting....

    What a gutsy performance from both guys who could have succumbed earlier in this fight.

    Bassa scores a quick KD in rd 1 and builds an early lead throygh 2. It looks like McAuley is in over his head. McAuley lands a punch that drops Bassa....except it never looks like a punch landed lol....never seen anything like this. But Bassa is wobbly from a punch that seems not to exist? There are 3 potential KD’s from McAuley during the fight a 2nd in 3, rd 6 and 13 early? But none of those get ruled a KD for some reason?

    McAuley wins rounds 4-5 but does not seem to pressure Bassa enough during these 2 rounds where he still looks visibly out of it from the phantom KD and a second that was not counted. McAuley seemed like he could have ended it or put some serious wear and tear on Bassa but let it slip away. Round 6 McAuley and looks like a clean clear KD sends Bassa to a knee but again not scored as a KD?

    Rounds 7-8 Bassa has his legs back and gets into a nice rhythm. Bassa deductedca pt after rd 6.....McAuley looks tired and I have doubts he can last much longer.

    9 McAuley lands a beautiful right and sends Bassa down again! And follows it up with another. Not sure how Bassa survived this round.

    10-12 Bassa gets it back together during 2 close rounds, and Fidel takes over in the 12th and while both guys are fatigued it looks like McAuley is running on fumes.

    13 Bassa goes down, but again not ruled (I couldn’t tell if this was one or not?)...McAuley has nothing left, and Bassa drops him. Corner throws in the towel but I don’t think he could have gotten up anyway.

    Game challenge from McAuley and a value to effort from both guys. Fun fight that everyone should enjoy!!!?

    1 Bassa 10-8
    2 Bassa
    3 McAuley 10-8
    4 McAuley
    5 McAuley
    6 McAuley
    7 Bassa 9-9
    8 Bassa
    9 McAuley
    10 Bassa
    11 Bassa
    12 Bassa
    Bassa by TKO 13 while behind on my card 111-112, as well as all 3 judges by 3-2-2 they scored a few even round 4-3-3 by their scoring. I had 6 close rounds with 3 for each guy? I assume they had 2 of my close Bassa rounds even and 1 of my close McAuley rounds even to get to their scores.

    Fun fight to check out if you haven’t seen it before
     
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    Fidel Bassa vs Dave McAuley II

    Meh....fought at a higher skill level perhaps but lacked the fireworks and excitement of the first fight. McAuley seemed confused and never really got comfortable attacking outside of the 11th rd and by then the fight was settled.

    Dirty fight with lots of uncalled fouls head butts clinching incessantly from both guys and both of them holding behind the neck while punching a few seperate Times. Definitely did not live up to my hopes after watching the first fight.

    Bassa adjusted brilliantly from the first fight and Dave never seemed to even be in this fight


    RBR
    1 Bassa
    2 EVEN
    3 Bassa
    4 Bassa
    5 Bassa
    6 Bassa
    7 McAuley
    8 Bassa
    9 Bassa 10-8
    10 Bassa
    11 McAuley
    12 McAuley
    117-111 Bassa

    The judges had this fight much closer than me...even the British commentary felt like Bassa dominated lol