the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. PhillyPhan69

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    Jung Koo Chang vs German Torres

    Wow this is a one sided beat down from Chang. Torres seems ill prepared to face change pressure and unsettled throughout the fight as he gamely tries to get into it only to be thwarted at every turn.

    Tony Perez is a horrible ref and has no control over this fight, freeing Chang to use some rough dirty tactics and make no mistake Chang is a dirty S O B! Clinching/wrestling head butts hitting on the break holding the back of the head while punching rabbit punches galore throwing the other guy to the canvas repeatedly. This is a brutal assault and may be the most dominant I have seen Chang look against a quality fighter.

    Torres never gets into this fight and outside ofcwinning a few sequences and exchanges in a few rounds....wow...this is all Chang

    Sprinkled in with the rough house tactics and unearned fouls (1 penalty lol), it is all Chang. Chang brings intelligent intense pressure right out of the gate throwing punches from all angles. Moving out of range where Torres can’t land. Torres stalks and as soon as he gets in range Chang springs like a cobra coiled springing really quick and is inside backing torres up before he can get going...rinse and repeat over and over and over. Torres has a few (alright very few) sequences where he stalks moving forward and lands good before Chang thwarts him over and over again.

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    1 Chang
    2 Chang
    3 Chang
    4 Chang
    5 Chang 9-9
    6 Chang
    7 Chang
    8 Chang
    9 Chang
    10 Chang 10-7
    11 Chang
    12 Even
    Jung Koo Chang 119-107 on my card.
     
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    Jung Koo Chang vs German Torres II

    A controversial decision and deservedly so. A MD for Chang and while I don’t disagree I did have 5 close rounds for Chang and 4 close rounds for Torres....this could go either way and if not in Korea the decision may have gone the other way.

    This is 2 seperate fights the first 6 rounds Chang does not bring pressure like he did in the first fight and Torres does not seem overwhelmed by the moment this time. The 2nd half some great midrange and infighting mixed with some dirty fouls along the way. Chang is given a lot of latitude with punching behind the head etc. one blatant power punch to the back of Torres head barely draws a warning.

    Good tough fight down the stretch. I felt Torres won 1 clear (not wide but not a lot of action) and Chang clearly won 6/9 but the other 9 rounds is anybody’s guess and I have no confidence in my card. This type of fight gives me an appreciation for the hard job judges have.

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    1 Torres
    2 Chang
    3 Torres
    4 Torres
    5 Chang
    6 Chang
    7 Torres
    8 Chang
    9 Chang
    10 Torres
    11 Chang
    12 Chang 115-113 on my card

    If you watch this one please give me a shout! I would love to see your card as I found this one very hard to score!
     
  3. PhillyPhan69

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    Jung Koo Chang vs German Torres III

    This is an unheralded trilogy that deserves a little more attention.

    1 a one sided beat down by Chang against an unprepared Torres
    2 A close MD with a lethargic Chang vs a more confident Torres
    3 Closer than the scorecards reveal! Even though Chang wins wide the rounds are hotly contested!

    This is my favorite fight of the trilogy. Chang brings the intensity and pressure of fight 1 to a Torres who is not overwhelmed as much as he is just outclassed. Chang does not get appreciated for his defense and how hard it is to catch him cleanly.

    Very fun fight to watch! Check it out if you have not seen it!

    RBR
    1 Chang
    2 Chang
    3 Chang
    4 Torres
    5 Chang
    6 Chang
    7 Torres
    8 Chang
    9 Chang
    10 EVEN
    11 Chang
    12 Chang
    Chang 118-111 on a closer fight than the card indicates! This is fun!
     
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    Masao Oba vs Betulio Gonzalez

    I guess this can’t beat Frazier vs Ali I as FOTY, but if not for an American and HW bias, this fight is a candidate for any year. This fight is that good and fun to watch. I have heard Betulio got robbed but I don’t see it...but then again I have NO confidence in my card, and could have scored 11 even rounds they are that hard to seperate!

    I had 70-67 for Oba and if I added up the ultra close rounds to even I would have the same pt difference.

    Oba 1-2-4-5-7-9-13-14
    Betulio 3-6-8-10-12
    Even 11-15
     
  5. scartissue

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    Philly, I just posted this in your Gonzalez-Ohba thread.

    Here is my card for Gonzalez-Ohba. 5 point must system in effect.

    Round 1: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 2: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 3: 5-4 Gonzalez
    Round 4: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 5: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 6: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 7: 5-4 Gonzalez
    Round 8: 5-4 Gonzalez
    Round 9: 5-5 Even
    Round 10: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 11: 5-4 Gonzalez
    Round 12: 5-4 Gonzalez
    Round 13: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 14: 5-5 Even
    Round 15: 5-4 Gonzalez

    Total: 69-68 Ohba

    I was so impressed with Gonzalez. So sharp and so economical with his shots. I can see why he had something like 45 KOs to his credit. He didn't really solve the height and reach issue that Ohba presented until the 7th. After that he was playing catch-up and came up just shy in the scoring. What's noticeable is the complete lack of bodywork. They were head-hunting from start to finish. A really good fight and Gonzalez looked like he could have easily done another 5 rounds while Ohba was dragging that last round.
     
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    Miguel Canto vs Betulio Gonzalez II

    Decent technical fight, lacking in fireworks although the exchanges are better during the second half of the fight.

    The contrast in styles didn’t develop into what it could have and since I can’t find fights 1 and 3 I am not sure what they developed into?

    Canto the defensive minded boxer mover counter puncher vs Betulio the stalker boxer puncher. To me Canto took the early part and Betulio came on late. To me Canto managed the fight better and limited the effectiveness of Betulio. Without Betulios pressure there would be no fight, but he didn’t bring it hard enough early. Gonzalez is noticeably outraged over the decision, but to me it was correct.

    Not sure if the scoring system in place so I just did rounds,

    Canto 2-4-5-6-7-10-12
    Betulio 3-8-9-11-14-15
    Even 1-13

    Canto 7-6-2 in rounds
     
  7. PhillyPhan69

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    Vic Darchinyan vs Christian Mijares

    Decent little fight to revisit. Darchynians akward style troubles Mijares right out of the gate as he scores a KD in rd 1. Mijares survives and makes rd 2 close, but is again overwhelmed in rd 3. Rd 4 has some good back and forth but Darchinyan comes on to make it close either way. Darchinyan back on the offensive in 5-6 and Mijares just can’t get into any kind of rhythm. Round 7 very close and Mijares lands his jab and goes to the body but Vic lands good late and the harder shots. 8 darchinyan back on the offensive and imposing his will. 9 darchinyan takes over completely and drops Mijares with 10 left...but he ain’t getting up! Decent fight

    RBR
    1-3 Darchinyan
    4 Even
    5-6 Darchinyan
    7 Mijares
    8 Darchinyan

    Darchinyan KO 9 up 79-73 on my card 79-72 on all 3 judges
     
  8. PhillyPhan69

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    Christian Mijares vs Rafa Marquez

    Somehow I have not seen this fight before and since I couldn’t remember who won it had an air of excitement typically reserved for live fights.

    Rafa comes out strong but an accidental headbutt cuts Mijares and Rafa is docked a pt. I didn’t like the deduction because one it seemed an inadvertent southpaw vs orthodox head clash and it looked like Mijares was the one who stepped into it...oh well.

    Rafa looks much bigger and stronger taking the fight to Mijares. Mijares eye is bothering him, but he begins to counter and take the 3rd on my card. Mijares does not look to engage in the 4th and mostly played it safe limiting action both ways. By the 6th Mijares is timing and countering better and taking more of the exchanges but all 3 rounds closely contested. Mijares hurts Rafa in 9 and after a few punches the ref halts the action...way to early of a stoppage for me? I felt Rafa deserved to fight through it....


    Rounds 3-6-7-8 are very close and fun rounds to watch. Lots of back and forth ebbs and flows and momentum shifts.

    RBR
    1 Marquez 9-9
    2 Marquez
    3 Mijares
    4 Marquez
    5 Marquez
    6 Mijares
    7 Mijares
    8 Mijares

    Mijares TKO 9 up on my card 76-75

    Marquez up on 1 card 76-75 the other 2 have it 77-74 Mijares

    Fun little fight to watch especially if like me you have not seen it before.
     
  9. PhillyPhan69

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    Vic Darchinyan vs Glenn Donaire

    One sided beat down, where Glen just does not look strong enough at this weight to even mount a solid exchange. Seems like his jaw has been broken in the 6th and he can’t continue. Goes to the cards and it is a shutout for Vic.

    RBR
    1-6 Darchinyan w/4 a 10-8 rd

    60-53 Vic Darchinyan
     
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    Philly, finally sat down and took this one on. Like I said before, the first time around I felt Oscar deserved it and now with pen to paper, it's no different. And you're right, the commentary team was back and forth with some utter nonsense that I had to ignore. That said, here is my score.

    Round 1: 10-9 Oscar
    Round 2: 10-9 Oscar
    Round 3: 10-9 Oscar
    Round 4: 10-9 Oscar
    Round 5: 10-9 Oscar
    Round 6: 10-9 Oscar
    Round 7: 10-10 Even
    Round 8: 10-10 Even
    Round 9: 10-9 Shane
    Round 10: 10-10 Even
    Round 11: 10-9 Oscar
    Round 12: 10-9 Shane

    Total: 118-113 Oscar

    I had a couple of evens in there, but the ones we disagreed on were 3, 5 and 11. But these rounds were close. I obviously felt Oscar was the victor and I think the higher poundage suited him more than when they fought at welter. Good fight.
     
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    Vic Darchinyan vs Nonito Donaire I

    Super fun short fight to watch! Cool interview with Glenn Donaire during the fight sharing how the brothers are never nervous to fight but always nervous when their brother fights.

    Darchinyan is a fun powerful southpaw that reminds me a lot of Prince Naseem. Powerful left, but open on defense trusting his chin reflexes and unorthodox approach to e difficult to hit. Nonito is big enough strong enough and quicker than Darchinyan. Rounds 2-4 are very fun with 2 & 4 being back and forth very difficult to score. 2 of the judges had it 2-2 while I agreed with the 3rd who had it 4-0. 2/4 are very close I just felt Nonaire edged those 2. The brilliant left hook of Donaire strikes in round 5 producing a TKO that is as much fun as Judah vs Tszyu.

    RBR
    1-4 Nonito 40-36
    Nonito TKO 5
     
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    Nonito Donaire vs Vic Darchinyan II

    6 years later, lacking in some of the excitement and explosiveness of the first encounter. Yet, filled with a lot of tension and strategy by both guys.

    Darchinyan more respectful of Donaires power after the first fight is more cautious and less reckless in his charges. Donaire....meh....not sure about his approach in this one, although he got the win. Very cautious and respectful of Darchinyan’s power as well...but he does not box like the first fight? He seems to be patiently waiting to land a big shot rather than outboxing Vic like he could and did the first time. Donaire loaded up to the body in the first 4 rounds as a prelude in fight 1, this time he almost neglects the body completely. I give Vic some props for his performance in a losing effort. Nonaire was a patient stalker on his finish that reminded me a little of Trinidad in patiently methodically finishing a hurt opponent.

    Good win by Donaire, but not a great performance outside of the finish.

    RBR
    1-3 Nito
    4-8 Vic
    9 TKO by Donaire while down 77-75 on my card.
     
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    Nonito Donaire vs Jorge Arce

    It is always sad to see a warrior fall prey to Father Time. Having said that I don’t think Arce would have ever beaten Nonito. Nonito is a brilliant boxer puncher (when he boxes instead of head hunting), who would be a tough night for anyone ever. As good as Nonaire looked last night vs Young, I can’t help but wonder if Nonito is close to this type of ending in his next few fights if not his next one.

    Donaire TKO 3 up 20-17 on the card.
     
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    Manny Pacquaio vs Medgoen Singsurat

    Wow! If you told me this guy who lost would someday be an ATG I would laugh if I didn’t already know. Outside of a decent right jab, Pac looks completely amateurish against a quality Singsurat. Singsurat dominated from start to finish with a nice body shot KO in the 3rd

    RBR
    1 Singsurat
    2 Singsurat
    Singsurat by 3rd rd ko
     
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    Abner Mares vs Vic Darchinyan

    Why no rematch? With an entertaining SD you would think they would want to settle this.

    A fun little war with Mares getting cut in rd 1 by a accidental headbutt dropped in rd 2 and had a pt deducted in 4 for a low blow. Yet continues to work the body and outwork and outbox the older Darchinyan as the fight progresses. The cards are split 4 pts for each guy....but I see little case for a Darchinyan victory? 1-3-5-8-10 were all close and 4 could be 9-9 if you had mares winning that rd.

    Mares impressed me battling back from early adversity to take a good fight.

    RBR
    1 Mares
    2 Darchinyan 10-8
    3 Darchinyan
    4 Darchinyan 10-8
    5 EVEN
    6 Mares
    7 Mares 10-8
    8 Mares
    9 Mares
    10 Mares
    11 Mares
    12 Mares

    Abner Mares SD victory by 115-111 on my card
     


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