the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. PhillyPhan69

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    Kuniaki Shibata vs Victor Frederico Eschegaray

    Very cool tactical strategic fight.

    Eschegaray who I have never watched before has a jab among the best I have seen. He almost won this fight behind a jab 95% of the time.

    Shibata is constantly thinking and adapting a brilliant boxer defensively moving skillfully and countering in quick combination flashes and moving out of range always disrupting your rhythm.

    Very cool fight! Check it out if you haven’t seen it.

    2 KD’s by Shibata in the final round seal the fight. Eschegaray argues both of them, but they look legit to me and there should have been a 3rd between when his glove touches the canvas.

    I don’t know how to score the 15th with the 5 pt system in place, so I just have it 9-6 in rounds

    1 Shibata
    2 Shibata
    3 Shibata
    4 Eschegaray
    5 Shibata
    6 Eschegaray
    7 Shibata
    8 Eschegaray
    9 Shibata
    10 Eschegaray
    11 Shibata
    12 Shibata
    13 Eschegaray
    14 Eschegaray
    15 Shibata (+ 2 KD’s)
     
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    Kuniaki Shibata vs Ernesto Marcel

    Once again the word robbery gets tossed around to liberally for my taste. I have heard for years that this fight is a robbery? I don’t get it! To me the 6 pt 11-4 card for Marcel is the closest thing to a robbery here. I can see a draw or 2-3 pts for either guy.

    Robbery aside this is a technical masterpiece with some good clean punching but no real fireworks. Both guys are to good defensively and counter punching for that to happen....along with the fact that they paced themselves from the start. Many rounds saw them circle and probe for a minute to a minute and a half before exploring aggressively offensively. In many of the rounds first half of the fight Shibata would fight for 2 minutes and Marcel coming on strong the final minute better. Making them close to score...

    I felt Marcel won 4 rounds cleanly and 12-13-15 emphatically with Shibata only taking one prettt clearly giving the illusion of a one sided fight if you don’t score in 15 isolated compartments.

    Great technical fight for fans of the sweet science! I wish these guys had fought 2-3,times.

    RBR
    1 Shibata
    2 Marcel
    3 Marcel
    4 Shibata
    5 Shibata
    6 Marcel 4-4 pt deducted
    7 Shibata
    8 Shibata
    9 Marcel
    10 Marcel
    11 Shibata
    12 Marcel
    13 Marcel
    14 Shibata
    15 Marcel
    67-67 Draw

    Marcel winning 5 of the final 7 also makes it look like he won cleanly if you discount the close early rounds...the pt he had deducted (lame IMO) sealed a draw on my card. I had Marcel 8-7 in rounds and that pt was a killer.
     
  3. PhillyPhan69

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    Fidel Bassa vs Dave McAuley I

    This is the fight of the year 1987...or it should have been but I guess Hagler Leonard was much more exciting....

    What a gutsy performance from both guys who could have succumbed earlier in this fight.

    Bassa scores a quick KD in rd 1 and builds an early lead throygh 2. It looks like McAuley is in over his head. McAuley lands a punch that drops Bassa....except it never looks like a punch landed lol....never seen anything like this. But Bassa is wobbly from a punch that seems not to exist? There are 3 potential KD’s from McAuley during the fight a 2nd in 3, rd 6 and 13 early? But none of those get ruled a KD for some reason?

    McAuley wins rounds 4-5 but does not seem to pressure Bassa enough during these 2 rounds where he still looks visibly out of it from the phantom KD and a second that was not counted. McAuley seemed like he could have ended it or put some serious wear and tear on Bassa but let it slip away. Round 6 McAuley and looks like a clean clear KD sends Bassa to a knee but again not scored as a KD?

    Rounds 7-8 Bassa has his legs back and gets into a nice rhythm. Bassa deductedca pt after rd 6.....McAuley looks tired and I have doubts he can last much longer.

    9 McAuley lands a beautiful right and sends Bassa down again! And follows it up with another. Not sure how Bassa survived this round.

    10-12 Bassa gets it back together during 2 close rounds, and Fidel takes over in the 12th and while both guys are fatigued it looks like McAuley is running on fumes.

    13 Bassa goes down, but again not ruled (I couldn’t tell if this was one or not?)...McAuley has nothing left, and Bassa drops him. Corner throws in the towel but I don’t think he could have gotten up anyway.

    Game challenge from McAuley and a value to effort from both guys. Fun fight that everyone should enjoy!!!?

    1 Bassa 10-8
    2 Bassa
    3 McAuley 10-8
    4 McAuley
    5 McAuley
    6 McAuley
    7 Bassa 9-9
    8 Bassa
    9 McAuley
    10 Bassa
    11 Bassa
    12 Bassa
    Bassa by TKO 13 while behind on my card 111-112, as well as all 3 judges by 3-2-2 they scored a few even round 4-3-3 by their scoring. I had 6 close rounds with 3 for each guy? I assume they had 2 of my close Bassa rounds even and 1 of my close McAuley rounds even to get to their scores.

    Fun fight to check out if you haven’t seen it before
     
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    Fidel Bassa vs Dave McAuley II

    Meh....fought at a higher skill level perhaps but lacked the fireworks and excitement of the first fight. McAuley seemed confused and never really got comfortable attacking outside of the 11th rd and by then the fight was settled.

    Dirty fight with lots of uncalled fouls head butts clinching incessantly from both guys and both of them holding behind the neck while punching a few seperate Times. Definitely did not live up to my hopes after watching the first fight.

    Bassa adjusted brilliantly from the first fight and Dave never seemed to even be in this fight


    RBR
    1 Bassa
    2 EVEN
    3 Bassa
    4 Bassa
    5 Bassa
    6 Bassa
    7 McAuley
    8 Bassa
    9 Bassa 10-8
    10 Bassa
    11 McAuley
    12 McAuley
    117-111 Bassa

    The judges had this fight much closer than me...even the British commentary felt like Bassa dominated lol
     
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    Jung Koo Chang vs German Torres

    Wow this is a one sided beat down from Chang. Torres seems ill prepared to face change pressure and unsettled throughout the fight as he gamely tries to get into it only to be thwarted at every turn.

    Tony Perez is a horrible ref and has no control over this fight, freeing Chang to use some rough dirty tactics and make no mistake Chang is a dirty S O B! Clinching/wrestling head butts hitting on the break holding the back of the head while punching rabbit punches galore throwing the other guy to the canvas repeatedly. This is a brutal assault and may be the most dominant I have seen Chang look against a quality fighter.

    Torres never gets into this fight and outside ofcwinning a few sequences and exchanges in a few rounds....wow...this is all Chang

    Sprinkled in with the rough house tactics and unearned fouls (1 penalty lol), it is all Chang. Chang brings intelligent intense pressure right out of the gate throwing punches from all angles. Moving out of range where Torres can’t land. Torres stalks and as soon as he gets in range Chang springs like a cobra coiled springing really quick and is inside backing torres up before he can get going...rinse and repeat over and over and over. Torres has a few (alright very few) sequences where he stalks moving forward and lands good before Chang thwarts him over and over again.

    RBR
    1 Chang
    2 Chang
    3 Chang
    4 Chang
    5 Chang 9-9
    6 Chang
    7 Chang
    8 Chang
    9 Chang
    10 Chang 10-7
    11 Chang
    12 Even
    Jung Koo Chang 119-107 on my card.
     
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    Jung Koo Chang vs German Torres II

    A controversial decision and deservedly so. A MD for Chang and while I don’t disagree I did have 5 close rounds for Chang and 4 close rounds for Torres....this could go either way and if not in Korea the decision may have gone the other way.

    This is 2 seperate fights the first 6 rounds Chang does not bring pressure like he did in the first fight and Torres does not seem overwhelmed by the moment this time. The 2nd half some great midrange and infighting mixed with some dirty fouls along the way. Chang is given a lot of latitude with punching behind the head etc. one blatant power punch to the back of Torres head barely draws a warning.

    Good tough fight down the stretch. I felt Torres won 1 clear (not wide but not a lot of action) and Chang clearly won 6/9 but the other 9 rounds is anybody’s guess and I have no confidence in my card. This type of fight gives me an appreciation for the hard job judges have.

    RBR
    1 Torres
    2 Chang
    3 Torres
    4 Torres
    5 Chang
    6 Chang
    7 Torres
    8 Chang
    9 Chang
    10 Torres
    11 Chang
    12 Chang 115-113 on my card

    If you watch this one please give me a shout! I would love to see your card as I found this one very hard to score!
     
  7. PhillyPhan69

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    Jung Koo Chang vs German Torres III

    This is an unheralded trilogy that deserves a little more attention.

    1 a one sided beat down by Chang against an unprepared Torres
    2 A close MD with a lethargic Chang vs a more confident Torres
    3 Closer than the scorecards reveal! Even though Chang wins wide the rounds are hotly contested!

    This is my favorite fight of the trilogy. Chang brings the intensity and pressure of fight 1 to a Torres who is not overwhelmed as much as he is just outclassed. Chang does not get appreciated for his defense and how hard it is to catch him cleanly.

    Very fun fight to watch! Check it out if you have not seen it!

    RBR
    1 Chang
    2 Chang
    3 Chang
    4 Torres
    5 Chang
    6 Chang
    7 Torres
    8 Chang
    9 Chang
    10 EVEN
    11 Chang
    12 Chang
    Chang 118-111 on a closer fight than the card indicates! This is fun!
     
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    Masao Oba vs Betulio Gonzalez

    I guess this can’t beat Frazier vs Ali I as FOTY, but if not for an American and HW bias, this fight is a candidate for any year. This fight is that good and fun to watch. I have heard Betulio got robbed but I don’t see it...but then again I have NO confidence in my card, and could have scored 11 even rounds they are that hard to seperate!

    I had 70-67 for Oba and if I added up the ultra close rounds to even I would have the same pt difference.

    Oba 1-2-4-5-7-9-13-14
    Betulio 3-6-8-10-12
    Even 11-15
     
  9. scartissue

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    Philly, I just posted this in your Gonzalez-Ohba thread.

    Here is my card for Gonzalez-Ohba. 5 point must system in effect.

    Round 1: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 2: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 3: 5-4 Gonzalez
    Round 4: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 5: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 6: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 7: 5-4 Gonzalez
    Round 8: 5-4 Gonzalez
    Round 9: 5-5 Even
    Round 10: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 11: 5-4 Gonzalez
    Round 12: 5-4 Gonzalez
    Round 13: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 14: 5-5 Even
    Round 15: 5-4 Gonzalez

    Total: 69-68 Ohba

    I was so impressed with Gonzalez. So sharp and so economical with his shots. I can see why he had something like 45 KOs to his credit. He didn't really solve the height and reach issue that Ohba presented until the 7th. After that he was playing catch-up and came up just shy in the scoring. What's noticeable is the complete lack of bodywork. They were head-hunting from start to finish. A really good fight and Gonzalez looked like he could have easily done another 5 rounds while Ohba was dragging that last round.
     
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    Miguel Canto vs Betulio Gonzalez II

    Decent technical fight, lacking in fireworks although the exchanges are better during the second half of the fight.

    The contrast in styles didn’t develop into what it could have and since I can’t find fights 1 and 3 I am not sure what they developed into?

    Canto the defensive minded boxer mover counter puncher vs Betulio the stalker boxer puncher. To me Canto took the early part and Betulio came on late. To me Canto managed the fight better and limited the effectiveness of Betulio. Without Betulios pressure there would be no fight, but he didn’t bring it hard enough early. Gonzalez is noticeably outraged over the decision, but to me it was correct.

    Not sure if the scoring system in place so I just did rounds,

    Canto 2-4-5-6-7-10-12
    Betulio 3-8-9-11-14-15
    Even 1-13

    Canto 7-6-2 in rounds
     
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    Vic Darchinyan vs Christian Mijares

    Decent little fight to revisit. Darchynians akward style troubles Mijares right out of the gate as he scores a KD in rd 1. Mijares survives and makes rd 2 close, but is again overwhelmed in rd 3. Rd 4 has some good back and forth but Darchinyan comes on to make it close either way. Darchinyan back on the offensive in 5-6 and Mijares just can’t get into any kind of rhythm. Round 7 very close and Mijares lands his jab and goes to the body but Vic lands good late and the harder shots. 8 darchinyan back on the offensive and imposing his will. 9 darchinyan takes over completely and drops Mijares with 10 left...but he ain’t getting up! Decent fight

    RBR
    1-3 Darchinyan
    4 Even
    5-6 Darchinyan
    7 Mijares
    8 Darchinyan

    Darchinyan KO 9 up 79-73 on my card 79-72 on all 3 judges
     
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    Christian Mijares vs Rafa Marquez

    Somehow I have not seen this fight before and since I couldn’t remember who won it had an air of excitement typically reserved for live fights.

    Rafa comes out strong but an accidental headbutt cuts Mijares and Rafa is docked a pt. I didn’t like the deduction because one it seemed an inadvertent southpaw vs orthodox head clash and it looked like Mijares was the one who stepped into it...oh well.

    Rafa looks much bigger and stronger taking the fight to Mijares. Mijares eye is bothering him, but he begins to counter and take the 3rd on my card. Mijares does not look to engage in the 4th and mostly played it safe limiting action both ways. By the 6th Mijares is timing and countering better and taking more of the exchanges but all 3 rounds closely contested. Mijares hurts Rafa in 9 and after a few punches the ref halts the action...way to early of a stoppage for me? I felt Rafa deserved to fight through it....


    Rounds 3-6-7-8 are very close and fun rounds to watch. Lots of back and forth ebbs and flows and momentum shifts.

    RBR
    1 Marquez 9-9
    2 Marquez
    3 Mijares
    4 Marquez
    5 Marquez
    6 Mijares
    7 Mijares
    8 Mijares

    Mijares TKO 9 up on my card 76-75

    Marquez up on 1 card 76-75 the other 2 have it 77-74 Mijares

    Fun little fight to watch especially if like me you have not seen it before.
     
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    Vic Darchinyan vs Glenn Donaire

    One sided beat down, where Glen just does not look strong enough at this weight to even mount a solid exchange. Seems like his jaw has been broken in the 6th and he can’t continue. Goes to the cards and it is a shutout for Vic.

    RBR
    1-6 Darchinyan w/4 a 10-8 rd

    60-53 Vic Darchinyan
     
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    Philly, finally sat down and took this one on. Like I said before, the first time around I felt Oscar deserved it and now with pen to paper, it's no different. And you're right, the commentary team was back and forth with some utter nonsense that I had to ignore. That said, here is my score.

    Round 1: 10-9 Oscar
    Round 2: 10-9 Oscar
    Round 3: 10-9 Oscar
    Round 4: 10-9 Oscar
    Round 5: 10-9 Oscar
    Round 6: 10-9 Oscar
    Round 7: 10-10 Even
    Round 8: 10-10 Even
    Round 9: 10-9 Shane
    Round 10: 10-10 Even
    Round 11: 10-9 Oscar
    Round 12: 10-9 Shane

    Total: 118-113 Oscar

    I had a couple of evens in there, but the ones we disagreed on were 3, 5 and 11. But these rounds were close. I obviously felt Oscar was the victor and I think the higher poundage suited him more than when they fought at welter. Good fight.
     
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    Vic Darchinyan vs Nonito Donaire I

    Super fun short fight to watch! Cool interview with Glenn Donaire during the fight sharing how the brothers are never nervous to fight but always nervous when their brother fights.

    Darchinyan is a fun powerful southpaw that reminds me a lot of Prince Naseem. Powerful left, but open on defense trusting his chin reflexes and unorthodox approach to e difficult to hit. Nonito is big enough strong enough and quicker than Darchinyan. Rounds 2-4 are very fun with 2 & 4 being back and forth very difficult to score. 2 of the judges had it 2-2 while I agreed with the 3rd who had it 4-0. 2/4 are very close I just felt Nonaire edged those 2. The brilliant left hook of Donaire strikes in round 5 producing a TKO that is as much fun as Judah vs Tszyu.

    RBR
    1-4 Nonito 40-36
    Nonito TKO 5
     

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