the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. PhillyPhan69

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    Arturo Gatti vs Micky Ward III

    All 3 fights are great in and of themselves but it falls just short of a great trilogy because I really feel it was pretty onesided. Although the judges had it 2-1 Ward I had it 3-0 Gatti and really only scored 5 rounds out of 30 for Ward although 2 of them were 10-8 rounds.

    Gatti again outboxes Ward for the first 3 rounds. In the 4th Ward turns it up and makes it the fight he needs it to be. I am not sure if it was Ward or his half brother or both who thought he had a chance to outbox Gatti rather than outslug him. Gatti hurts his hand a 2nd time in the 4th or 5th and becomes a one armed fighter for 2-3 rounds. In the 6th Ward drops Gatti and although I almost scored it 10-9 Ward because I felt Gatti won the rd....but I ended up going 10-8 Ward but wrestled with it. 7-10 Gatti digs deep and rather than just outjab him he uses his right and out lands and outfights him.

    RBR
    1 Gatti
    2 Gatti
    3 Gatti
    4 Ward
    5 Gatti
    6 Ward 10-8
    7 Gatti
    8 Gatti
    9 Gatti
    10 Gatti

    Gatti 97-92 on my card
    Gatti 3-0 in the series
    Gatti 25-5 in rounds
    Gatti 292-274

    Some good fights but again not a great trilogy IMO

    I liked 1 the best 3 next and the 2nd as my third favorite.

    Lots of good rounds but about 7 of them are round of the year worthy

    I rds 3 & 9
    2 rds 3 & 10
    3 rds 3-4 & 6
     
  2. PhillyPhan69

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    Edwin Rosario vs Frankie Randall I

    Fun little 10 round lightweight fight. Randall looks larger and stronger and works good behind a solid jab. Rosario the quicker better counter puncher able to string punches together in combination a little more effectively. Randall does well but seems to have conditioning and stamina issues down the stretch leaving the door open for Rosario to take a decision. And Rosario walks through the door on the refs card and mine. The fight Dr. Is not at his worst but still a poor commentator.

    Decent fight to watch if you have not seen it....not quite great but fun nonetheless

    RBR
    1 Randall
    2 Randall
    3 Rosario
    4 Rosario
    5 Draw
    6 Randall
    7 Randall
    8 Rosario
    9 Rosario
    10 Rosario

    Leave it to our British friends to complicate scoring rounds even more by introducing fractions.

    Rosario 98-971/2 on my card and 98 1/2-98 on the refs.
     
  3. PhillyPhan69

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    Frankie Randall vs Edwin Rosario II

    What a difference 8 years can make! A prime Rosario from the first fight becomes a soft heavier slower declined and past prime warrior. The pre prime underconditioned Randall has become a quick strong fighter into his own prime. The quickness and countering of Rosario from the first fight is only evident in brief flashes. Randall is now the bigger stronger guy as well as the quicker younger and better conditioned fighter.

    This is almost all Randall outside of a few flashes by Rosario but nothing close to winning the round. Randall gives a boxing clinic and outside of one careless lapse in concentration where he is dropped in round 2 this is his night.

    Round 2 Randall drops Rosario and I figure this can’t go much longer.....and then Rosario drops Randall with 10 seconds left and it looks like we got a fight.

    Instead what we got was a resilient gutsy performance from Rosario in even making it through the 5th. And of course a great boxing lesson from Randall!

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    Not necessary! Outside of the dual knockdown round 2 scored 10-10, this was all Randall!

    60-56 Randall before the stoppage.
     
  4. scartissue

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    Y'know, I never saw this fight when it took place. Didn't know it was out there, so thanks for bringing it up. You are right, Rosario is waaaay past his best, but it was still an entertaining fight. Rosario's punch could always turn a fight around.

    Round 1: 10-9 Randall
    Round 2: 10-9 Randall (dual knockdowns cancel each other, but Randall carried the heavy freight throughout the round)
    Round 3: 10-9 Randall
    Round 4: 10-9 Randall
    Round 5: 10-9 Randall
    Round 6: 10-9 Randall
    Round 7: Fight stopped in Randall's favor

    Total (through 6 completed rounds): 60-54 Randall

    Randall was not to be denied.
     
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    GGG vs Danny Jacobs

    Getting ready for Álvarez vs Jacobs and thought I would rewatch and rescore this one.

    A decent technical fight, sometimes we lose sight of how skilled GGG is as a boxer due to his power but he is highly skilled with a jab on par with many greats. A powerful jab!

    But to me this was a close back and forth fight with GGG seeking to impose his will and Jacob’s corner looking to impose his skill. If Jacobs has listened better and fought more disciplined he could have won this fight.

    Jacobs size, height, length and strength along with his superior IMO skills frustrated GGG and made him more one dimensional than previous opponents. Yet GGG kept stalking and forcing the fight enough for a split in rounds on my card with the 4th rd KD sealing the win for GGG.

    The judges had it 115-112 GGG on 2 cards and 114-113 on the other. I think they did a good job and you could argue realistically a 3 pt GGG win to a 1 Pt Jacobs win. I think there were 6 close rounds that could be swing votes. I had four rds different from Harold Lederman but evened out by 2-2 for each guy.

    Good fight.

    RBR
    1 GGG
    2 Jacobs
    3 Jacobs
    4 GGG 10-8
    5 GGG
    6 Jacobs
    7 Jacobs
    8 GGG
    9 GGG
    10 Jacobs
    11 Jacobs
    12 GGG

    114-113 GGG
     
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    Dmitry Pirog vs Danny Jacobs

    A fun short fight to watch.

    Jacobs slightly busier out of the gate edges a feeling out round. Round 2 Jacobs goes to the ropes and seemingly gets dropped? Not ruled a KD but I do agree with Lederman that it should have. Pirog showing nice power and good movement.

    Danny’s corner tells him to stay of the ropes and box Pirog and back him up. For 3-4 Danny does just that and wins both rounds.

    Danny is up 39-37 on my card and the 3 judges...round 5 Danny goes to the ropes and gets KO’d!

    Rbr
    1 Jacobs
    2 Pirog
    3 Jacobs
    4 Jacobs
    5 Pirog by KO
     
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    Canelo vs Jacobs

    Jacobs fought to conservative for the first half....then in the 2nd half much busier but still not accurate enough or landing enough hard punches. He does enough for Canelo haters to call it a draw lol (which means even they know canelo won)....he does enough to look respectable. A shame because like His fight with GGG I think Jacobs has the tools to beat both of them....but his inconsistency and lack of discipline and concentration will keep him from joining them onnthat level.

    1-5 Canelo
    6-7 Jacobs
    8 Canelo
    9-10 Jacobs
    11-12 Canelo

    Canelo 116-112
     
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    Going through a few Khaosai Galaxy fights this week:

    Galaxy vs Eusebio Espinal
    For the vacant flyweight title

    Not really good footage so I won’t comment a whole lot

    RBR
    1 Espinal
    2 Espinal
    3 Galaxy
    4 Galaxy
    5 Galaxy 10-8
    Galaxy by TKO 6
     
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    Khaosai Galaxy vs Dong-Chun Lee
    Galaxy in the white shorts Lee in White

    Round 1 and the first half of 2 are very close slow feeling out rounds. Midway through the 2nd Galaxy turns up the pressure and begins boxing brilliantly landing good and seldom getting hit. In the 5th Lee digs in and starts landing back. I scored it even but could go to either guy. Galaxy looking sharp....stops him in 7.

    RBR
    1-4 Galaxy
    5 EVEN
    6 Galaxy

    60-55

    Galaxy by TKO 7 in his first title defense
     
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    Khaosai Galaxy vs Rafael Orono
    Galaxy in the white trunks with red trim

    Don’t know much about Orono but while he looks big and strong for the weight is a little crude-slow and wide punches. Some decent power but minus the skill to land consistently.

    RBR
    1 Galaxy
    2 Orono
    3 Galaxy
    4 Galaxy

    Khaosai Galaxy TKO 5 up 39-37 on my card
     
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    Andre Ward vs Sergey Kovalev I

    One of the great comeback performances in boxing history! Tainted by some who call it a robbery, I fall on the side of those who scored for Ward.

    Tension filled fight that while not an exciting fight, the tension filled the atmosphere and that was exciting by itself.

    Kovalev starts strong and wins the first 4 behind a strong jab, being busier landing the majority of clean hard shots. Kovalev drops ward in rd 2 and begins to assert his will. In rd 5 Ward digs deep and turns the tide. He is working the body good which will pay off later. Kovalev really does not go to the body much outside of 12 and that seems a major mistake of strategy or execution. Close 6th but Kovalev edged it for me. Wards corner begins a mantra “you need every round from here on out” they would tell him this every round. If you think he won these final 6 you probably scored for him, if not you probably have Kovalev or a draw.

    Rds 10-11 to me are the only close tough to score rounds. If you scored for one guy you probably have them winning?

    RBR
    1 Kovalev
    2 Kovalev 10-8
    3 Kovalev
    4 Kovalev
    5 Ward
    6 Kovalev
    7 Ward
    8 Ward
    9 Ward
    10 Ward
    11 Ward
    12 Ward

    Ward 114-113
     
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    Andre Ward vs Sergey Kovalev II

    At times I have to remind myself that Lederman is in the business of drawing viewers and controversy draws more viewers. My word in both fights he scores almost every rd for Kovalev. He only gave Ward 6 out of 19 rds. Dreadful job by Lederman, even his commentary team disagrees with him during both fights.

    Ref does a great job where both guys are rough and dirty yet he commands respect and maintains order. To me legit punches on a high belt line, unless Kovalev has gonads on his naval they look clean to me.

    Kovalev still has some stamina issues, he is not diverse enough in his punch variety. He overrelies on his jab, and outside of rd 1 he neglects the body almost entirely. He has a great jab and top notch power, but he is also one dimensional and undisciplined in the way he stalks and tries to close the ring off. Ward did a great job of outboxing a larger stronger guy, taking it to the body lessening Kovalev’s output and power.

    Much better fight than the first one.

    RBR
    1 Ward
    2 Kovalev
    3 Kovalev
    4 Ward
    5 Ward
    6 Kovalev
    7 Ward

    TKO 8 by Ward with a brutal body assault! Up 67-66 on my card in a hotly contested fight.
     
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    **** Tiger vs Jose Torres I

    I am a big appreciator if both guys, but this fight is not really exciting. Torres felt he won but that he fought poorly. I agree with his 2nd take. He worked a solid jab and little else. He really didn’t use his left outside of the jab until double digit rounds, and by then his hook was slow wide and sloppy. Tiger has quicker hands and flashier combos, but Torres and his heavy jab landed the better punches. The judges had it 10-5 10-4-1 and 8-6-1 I had 8-6-1, and can see anything from a 1 pt Torres win to a 5 pt Tiger win as realistic.

    To me this was a poor mans version of Ward vs Kovalev...lacking the excitement of that fight.

    RBR
    1 Torres
    2 Tiger
    3 Tiger
    4 Torres
    5 Tiger
    6 Torres
    7 Tiger
    8 Torres
    9 EVEN
    10 Tiger
    11 Torres
    12 Torres
    13 Tiger
    14 Tiger
    15 Tiger

    Tiger 8-6-1 on my card.
     
  14. salsanchezfan

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    I had it about the same, my opwn card is in this thread somewhere. It was a winnable fight for Torres, who frankly never impressed me. He waited too much and let the smaller, less powerful man dictate the pace. You just can't do that.
     
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    Khaosai Galaxy vs Israel Contreras

    Contreras starts off strong, busier landing good combos and takes the first 2. Galaxy starts out strong in 3 driving Contreras to the ropes....but Contreras seems to come back and move ahead. Galaxy lands a right to the body spins Contreras around and drops with him. Finishes him off with a body shot??? In 5

    Rbr
    1-2 Contreras
    3-4 Galaxy both 10-8

    Galaxy by ko 5 up 38-36 on my card