the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. PhillyPhan69

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    Manny Pacquaio vs Erik Morales II

    I watched the British Sky Sports version which is better than their American counterparts but still Meh....

    They kept saying this was better than the first fight and while I found it a good fun fight it was well short of their great first encounter.

    Pacquaio looks good the first 2 rds. Good hand speed, moving well utilizing his quicker feet and hands to score nice, improved body and head movement defensively and Morales has trouble landing.

    Rds 3-5 Morales fighting back good edged 3 close rds on my card, but I don’t have the sense that he is in control like I did during fight I.

    6-9 are largely wide/clear Manny rds. Rd 7 Morales fights real good for the first 60 but it is all Pac down the stretch. Morales has little left for the final minute in all 4 rds and fatigue is clearly setting in.

    10 All Pac....Morales fights back valiantly but has nothing on his punches....Manny drops Morales for only the 2nd time in his career....manny all over him and the ref waves it off as Morales goes down again.

    Fun fight but a little to onesided to be a great fight. I will call it a great performance against a faded great.

    RBR
    1 Pac
    2 Pac
    3 Morales
    4 Morales
    5 Morales
    6 Pac
    7 Pac
    8 Pac
    9 Pac

    Pac by TKO 10 up 87-84 on my card.
     
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    Manny Pacquaio vs Erik Morales III

    I always have mixed emotions watching this fight. It is a fun 3 rds yet it is always sad to me to see a great valiant warrior lose to both a prime great as well as to time itself.

    Morales looks slow and wide in his punches offensively and his once decent defense is now sloppy and ineffective. Pac looks larger and stronger and just as quick.

    I wished Morales had retired after the 2nd fight instead of having a 3rd and then 6 more lackluster years.

    Morales is a warrior and although getting beaten to the punch he battles back with 3-4 nice exchanges in the first, yet still clearly loses the rd. 2 Pac on the assault again, Morales backs him to the ropes, and again a 2nd tone and Morales let’s it fly...but he is to wide open on D and Pac lands a crisp left that drops Morales...yet Morales fights on and escapes the rd.

    Rd 3 about the only thing Morales can do atbthis pt is jab, and mannys footwork keeps him out of range till he is ready to pounce. Morales unable to land lunges with the jab leaving himself off balance and out of position. Manny drops him again...Morales back up and swinging with his own, but although valiant he is to vulnerable and open on D, manny drops him again.

    Then the sad sight....Morales just puts his arms over his knees and sits there as the ref counts...able but unwilling to get up....I hate this scene regardless of the once proud warrior.

    Manny up 20-17 scores a KO at the end of 3.
     
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    Fighting Harada vs Pone Kingpetch I

    Never saw this before, and while I knew Harada won I was not expecting this. This is a brutal one sided onslaught of one great over another.

    Pone has a nice jab, but Harada rendered it ineffective and at times completely useless. Harada swarms right out of the gate and never stops, for brief periods he allows it to settle in at midrange and while Pone does better there, Harada still wins those exchanges.

    Pone has a nice jab, but Harada’s pressure keeps him backing up and takes any snap off of the jab. By mid fight Harada is jabbing quicker stronger and sharper timing Pone well. Pone does not have the footwork or speed or movement to keep Harada off of him.

    Harada is so varied in his punch output and his volume never stops. He comes forward behind the jab, then behind a lead left, then behind a right...other times he just slips the jab and is planted in Pones chest before he can reset.

    Pone is a warrior to take a beating of this magnitude. He looks wobbly in 9....looks not ready to come out in 10, then when he gets up Harada wobbles him again....same in the 11th when a 30 punch (or close to it) assault leaves him crumpled against the ropes where he remains till the 10 count is done.

    Looking forward to fight 2, but this is one to check out...

    Quick thing on the judges
    1 scored it 50-38 meaning 2 5-3 rds...
    2 scored 1 for Pone 49-41
    3 scored 1 for Pone 49-46 with 5 even rds.

    I can’t find a single rd close enough to be even let alone scored for Pone. Rds 3-5 and 8 are competitive but still not what I would call close.

    50-40 on my card every rd 5-4 for Harada
     
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    Fighting Harada vs Pone Kingpetch II

    Wow ! What a robbery I know this was not scored on the 10 pt must system but I had 118-110 on the 12 rounds available. I think you could make a better casa for Harada sweeping this fight than Pone winning. I don’t use the word robbery but this seems very unfair. Harada was all class congratulating Pone and even raising his hand afterwards.

    Pone figures much better, than fight 1 meaning it is not a one sided assault...although the first half of the fight (except rds 4-5 which are missing) looked similar to the first fight but Pone did better even though he was losing widely on my card.

    Rds 6-7 are semi close but clear Harada rds.

    Rds 8-10 ultra close with me going Harada in 8 and Kingpetch in 9-10....but even they could be even or Harada rds. It also looked like Harada scores a KD at the end of 8 and mid 9 but neither look to be called a KD.

    Rd 11 missing

    12-15 all pretty close but I feel Harada took all 4.

    Best case scenerio I have 6-6 in rds giving Pone every marginally close rd...in reality I have it 10-2, w/3 missing rds.

    Very fun fight and 6-15 are very fun, the crowd is in a frenzy all night and make me want to go to Thailand to watch a fight. Man they are lively!

    I loved the fight but didn’t like the decision at all.

    RBR
    1-3 Harada
    4-5 Missing
    6-8 Harada
    9-10 Kingpetch
    11 Missing
    12-15 Harada

    Harada 118-110 in a “real robbery” not an arguably close decision..this is even worse than Lockridge vs Gomez!
     
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    I posted these on another thread, but they belong here. Holmes v Spinks 1 & 2.

    Holmes v Spinks I

    Round 1: 10-9 Holmes
    Round 2: 10-9 Holmes
    Round 3: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 4: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 5: 10-10 Even
    Round 6: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 7: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 8: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 9: 10-9 Holmes
    Round 10: 10-10 Even
    Round 11: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 12: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 13: 10-10 Even
    Round 14: 10-9 Holmes
    Round 15: 10-9 Holmes

    Total: 145-143 Spinks

    I have no idea why Homes abruptly stopped whacking the body - which clearly effected Spinks.
     
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    And the rematch...

    Holmes vs Spinks II

    Round 1: 10-9 Holmes
    Round 2: 10-9 Holmes *
    Round 3: 10-9 Holmes
    Round 4: 10-9 Holmes
    Round 5: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 6: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 7: 10-9 Holmes
    Round 8: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 9: 10-9 Holmes
    Round 10: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 11: 10-9 Holmes
    Round 12: 10-10 Even
    Round 13: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 14: 10-9 Holmes **
    Round 15: 10-9 Spinks

    Total: 144-142 Holmes

    Let's look at the two rounds I noted. Round 2 which I scored 10-9 for Holmes, in the hands of someone more liberal with points could have called that 10-8 for Larry. He did stun Spinks towards the end of the round, but mostly because Spinks did absolutely nothing that round. It's up to the individual scorer.

    Round 14 was another unusual one. Spinks started well and ended well, but Larry did stun him and followed up briefly before Spinks ended the round better. But how do you score? Spinks did most of the heavy lifting that round, but Holmes did rattle him. Very tight, but I gave it to Holmes. I could have called it even as well, but it was an intense moment for Larry. I see Harold (God rest him) also gave the round to Larry. Good fight. Felt Larry deserved this, but Spinks should be lauded for fighting his heart out.
     
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    Rafael Herrera vs Chucho Castillo II

    Very fun fight to watch and difficult to score! I can’t find one round where I could say “no way you could score for the other guy or even”, maybe 8 for Herrera but this is cool.

    The ref must have done a great job because I can’t even remember seeing him in the ring?

    The first is the slowest of the fight, both guys probing trying to gauge range I felt Herrera landed more and Chucho better but that Herrera nipped it.

    2-3 chucho seems to have figured the range quicker and lands better for the first 2 minutes with Herrera coming on better over the final minute.

    Herrera looks bigger but does not seem to impose his length on Castillo.

    4-8 Herrera starting to gauge a little better and by 6-7 seems to be imposing his size, utilizing his jab and dictating pace and space a little better.

    9-12 very fun rounds, with Herrera landing that jab (looks like a smaller version of Monzon at times), and getting some good leverage on hooks inside. Castillo countering good with short compact punches digging into the body good.

    These guys have a style that meshes well. A very tactical fight, but not a slugfest....yet there are no lulls in action either. Every round is fought competitively at a quick pace. Good ebbs and flows but no major momentum shifts.

    RBR
    1 Herrera
    2 Castillo
    3 Herrera
    4 Herrera
    5 Castillo
    6 Herrera
    7 Herrera
    8 Herrera
    9 Castillo
    10 Herrera
    11 Castillo
    12 Castillo
    Herrera 7-5

    But I wouldn’t argue with some one who also had it 7-5 the other way with every round (except 8) different from mine.
     
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    Rafael Herrera vs Ruben Olivares I

    Man Herrera looks sharp and while the other guy looks like Ruben Olivares he does not resemble the Olivares I know and love.

    I don’t want to take anything away from Herrera or his performance, but Olivares is slow, sloppy and disengaged for the first 3 rds. Rds 4-7 he looks a little more in tune but is still getting beat to the punch. Rd 6 is well worth the watch if you have not seen this fight before. By rd 8 Ruben is bleeding from the right eye running down his face when Herrera lands a right (nothing huge?) and drops Olivares who seems to take his time getting up (intentional?) and does not try to beat the count.

    The 3 judges have a shutout for Herrera through 7 but manage to find 3-3-2 even rds. Outside of 6 I am not sure if anything was close enough to score even, and I had it 70-63 Herrera.
     
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    Rafael Herrera vs Ruben Olivares II

    Much better than the first fight, or at least more competitive. Olivares still does not look like his prime self, and Herrera does not look as good as he did against Castillo or Olivares I.

    Ruben seems to engage a little more and does not get forced to fight off of the back football night, yet his punches are not sharp or crisp and his jab has very little snap on it. He is slower but still able to hold his own inside. Herrera again does not look as good as the first fight and his punches look much sharper and harder. Looking at this without a scorecard I would assume Herrera won comfortably but not wide....in compartments it is close and could arguably go either way.

    I felt rds 3-4-6-8-9 were very very hard to score and I had them 3-2 in favor of Ruben the easier (not wide) to score rds I had 4-1 for Herrera and felt Ruben gave this away innthe first half pretty much. But I wouldn’t argue an even card or a narrow Ruben win (but I would imagine you gave him the majority of close rounds).

    RBR
    1 Herrera
    2 Herrera
    3 Herrera (close)
    4 Olivares (close)
    5 Herrera
    6 Herrera (Close)
    7 Herrera (Olivares gets KD’d)
    8 Olivares (close)
    9 Olivares (close)
    10 Olivares
    Herrera 6-4 or 96-93

    Not sure if Olivares has his heart in boxing anymore? He was weight drained for the first fight and moved up to FW, then he comes in over weight for this and says he couldn’t get excited about this fight during training...he also says that didn’t affect his performance. I don’t buy it, he didn’t start to engage till after the KD and by that time he was well behind on my card.
     
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    Yoko Gushiken vs Juan Antonio Guzman

    This is a super fun, short slugfest! Checking out some Gushiken this week, and this seemed a good place to start.

    The first is a feeling out round but still some good back and forth exchanges.

    Midway through the 2nd just as I am thinking “Guzman is showing some smooth defense” he gets caught with a straight right, lowers his right and a beautifully timed left sends him to the ropes and then down under a barrage. Guzman takes a beating and looks to make it out of the round when Yoko drops him again at the 2:59 pt.

    3rd round (round of the year material) is fun and very close. Guzman hurts and almost drops Gushiken but he quickly recovers.

    Round 4- Guzman looks pretty good but then he gets dropped again. Pretty impressive that he survived the rd.

    5/6 all Gushiken. By the 6th Guzman’s best offense is a feint, and his punches have little on them.

    Rd 7 Gushiken drops him a 4th time, and he just sits there not even trying to rise.

    Very fun slugfest.

    RBR
    1 Gushiken
    2 Gushiken (5-2)
    3 Guzman (close)
    4 Gushiken (5-3)
    5 Gushiken
    6 Gushiken

    Gushiken by KO 7 up 29-22 on my card.
     
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    Yoko Gushiken vs Martin Vargas

    Man I have not seen Vargas fight before but he earned respect in a losing effort. I looked up his record and he is solid but seems to be one of those guys that faces Canto Betulio and Gushiken and comes up just short.

    This is a strategic and tactical fight that to me is more competitive than the scorecards might indicate.

    1-2 feeling out rounds. Gushiken seems content to let Vargas set the tempo. Vargas is a little flat footed and slow both of foot and hand, but keeps coming forward. Gushiken shows great patience and counters well as he gets the timing and space down. His foot speed gets him in and out before Vargas can capitalize and his hand speed edges 2 close rounds.

    Rd 3 by the 2 15 pt I think Vargas is going to take a close round. When a perfectly timed left sends him stumbling and almost down. He holds on and escapes the rd but lost one he could have had.

    Rd 4 Vargas seems tentative and does not stalk forward like he was but Gushiken takes the initiative and wins a comfortable rd.

    Rd 5 Vargas marching forward again and the rd is close. Gushiken wins the majority of exchanges but Vargas lands several good shots. When Gushiken drops him with about 5 seconds left.

    You really need to fight every second of every round with Gushiken as half of his KD’s seem to come with 10 seconds or less left in a round.

    Rd 6 Gushiken moving with purpose and confidence now. Drives Vargas back to the ropes...I am thinking it might be over...but Vargas slugs and drives Gushiken back...Gushiken wins the exchanges down the stretch but Vargas is making him work.

    Rd 7 Vargas punches have little on them and they are wide and slow, but he never stops trying. Gushiken takes the majority of exchanges but Vargas still lands some good shots.

    Rd 8 Vargas still coming forward when Gushiken drops him at the 1 00 minute mark....the next 41 seconds it is all Gushiken as he drops him again....Vargas is up again instantly. The ref waves it off as Gushiken drops him a 3rd time.

    Very fun fight.

    RBR not necessary shutout for Gushiken 70-62 on my card, but again this is not a total beatdown till the final round, and Vargas is a tough dude!
     
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    Yoko Gushiken vs Yong Hyun Kim

    Gushiken is not really tested in this fight and he takes a wide decision on my card and the judges although my reluctance to score even rds makes my card wider. The judges scored 0-1-2 rounds for Kim and 6-6-4 even rds. There are a handful of close rds but not close enough to swing me. The ref seemed very biased towards Gushiken warning Kim 3 times for what seemed ordinary southpaw vs orthodox clashes....and then takes a pt from Kim in 11.

    Kim starts in an awkward low crouch blending an unpolished bob and weave. He is very flat footed and looks much slower of hand and foot. Guishken takes a feeling out round.

    Gushiken has little trouble early as Kim’s jab is slow, but he is deceptively quicker of foot and hand than it appears. He is able to back away quickly and land a quick punch or two but not fast enough to sustain a flurry or extended combo. Kim holds his hands high, but is still susceptible and open to the jab and uppercut, and exposes his sides for a number of body shots.

    4-7?are all very close competitive rds. Kim begins timing the jab and slipping inside while Gushiken continues to work the body and go up high. Gushiken keeps his right low and is open to a number of lefts but Kim is just not polished or skilled enough to take advantage. In the 6th he lands 2 nice rights that swing the round for him as the only one I scored for him. 7 has some fun back and forth exchanges where Gushiken starts and finishes well and Kim lands good mid round.

    8-15 are largely Gushiken although Kim has moments due to Gushiken leaky D. But he is not skilled or quick enough to sustain an attack or win an exchange.

    RBR not necessary
    1-5 & 7-15 Gushiken w/11 10-8
    6 for Kim....

    I did find 2/4/5/7 very competitive if you want to score them even like the judges I could see it. I just felt it was all Gushiken
     
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    Sung Kil Moon vs Singnoi Singkrungthon
    Have you ever wanted to watch a fight but we’re short on time...only takes 11 minutes to watch this fun slugfest!

    Moon comfortably wins the first, although Singkrungthon lands some bombs of his own. Rd 2 could be scored 10-8 even though the ref didn’t rule a KD. After 30 seconds of slugging the power of Moon wins out. He is basically teeing off and Has Singkrungthon out on his feet.

    Round 3 more of the same, but Moon knocks him down midway through,and the ref waves it off when he rises.

    20-18 or 20-17 Moon
    Moon by TKO 3
     
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    Tommy Coyle vs Daniel Brizuela

    All hail the journey men, gate keepers and fringe contenders.

    A recent fight that is one of the more enjoyable international level scraps. 8 knockdowns, 3 pt deductions, premature stoppage but a very fun 45 minutes. It is clear they are not quite world level, but they are not far off either....lots of heart from both guys.

    RBR
    1 Coyle (10-9)
    2 Brizuela 10-8 (Brizuela 19-18)
    3 Coyle (28-28)
    4 Brizuela (Brizuela 38-37)
    5 Brizuela (Brizuela 48-46)
    6 Brizuela 10-7 (Brizuela 58-53)
    7 Coyle (Brizuela 67-63)
    8 Coyle 9-8 (Brizuela 75-72)
    9 Brizuela 9-9 (Brizuela 84-81)
    10 Coyle (Brizuela 93-91)
    11 Coyle 9-8 (Brizuela 101-100)
    Coyle by TKO rd 12

    Lots of excitement and heart shown here!

    Brizuela drops coyle in rd 2 with an overhand right....not hurt badly but enough to build the tension.

    Brizuela drops Coyle twice with body shots...coyle not only survives the last 80 seconds but bounces back nicely.

    Coyle penalized for a low blow in 8 after 2 prior warnings. Comes on to take the round and drops Brizuela with a nice right. 9-8 rd due to deduction.

    Brizuela gets a bad deduction for a low blow in 9. Bad low blow but harsh with no previous warning. Brizuela takes the rd but scored 9-9 due to deduction.

    Rd 11 is a fun 3 minutes. Another body shot drops Coyle, and he looks bad. Beats the count and Coyle drops Brizuela seconds later with a nice rd. Coyle loses a pt for another low blow and then delivers a combo dropping Brizuela again seconds later. Coyle 9-8 with the deduction.

    Coyle drops Brizuela early in the 12th. Brizuela punches the canvas mad at himself. Beats the count and looks good to go. Nods when the ref asks is he is ready and....the ref waves it off.

    A poor ending to a fun determined effort from both guys!
     
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    Ricardo Córdoba vs Bernard Dunne

    Very entertaining fight between 2 guys with a lot of heart! A lot of rough house tactics some borderline dirty and illegal....multiple low blows a few headbutts, holding the head under the arm, pushing the neck down with the forearm, a couple of hits behind the head and on the break, and a fair amount of clinching from both guys...strange clinching since neither guy looks real comfortable operating on the inside, and both seem more comfortable at mid range. But it’s good, both guys did their fair share.

    Dunne drops Córdoba in the 3rd and makes a very competitive fight a deadlock on my card.

    Accidental headbutt in 4 leads to a cut over Dunnes eye.

    Córdoba takes control on the cards and in the fight dropping Dunne twice.

    Oddly rounds 6-10 don’t have any knockdowns but are some exciting slugging from both guys.

    In 8 Córdoba gets cut on his eye, but I didn’t see what punch (if it was one?) did it.

    In 10 Dunne looks out on his feet and is now bleeding from both eyes (again I didn’t see the cause of this cut).

    Round 11 both guys running on nothing but fumes and heart. I keep waiting for one to go, and both look like they could...

    Dunne KD’s Córdoba, then again, then a 3rd time! It’s all over!

    Dunne wins!!!! By TKO 10

    Glad this didn’t go to the cards as the judges were much wider than me.

    RBR
    1 Córdoba
    2 Córdoba
    3 Dunne 10-8
    4 Dunne
    5 Córdoba 10-7
    6 Dunne
    7 Córdoba
    8 Dunne
    9 Dunne
    10 Córdoba

    Dunne by TKO 11! Córdoba up 94-93 on my card...the judges had him up 3-5-7 pts on their cards.
     

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