the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. PhillyPhan69

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    Sung Kil Moon vs Chiaki Kobayashi

    A game Kobayashi tries to go toe to toe with Moon, and while he tries valiantly to swing with him he quickly fades and folds under the brutal assault of Moon. Nothing skilled or fancy about Moon just nonstop relentless pressure.

    TKO 5
    My score like 2 of the judges is 40-36 Moon. I am not sure how the 3rd judge found a round for Kobayashi but he did. 3-4 could be scored 10-8 with no problem even though I didnt
     
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    I haven't posted here in a while, and really, I'd like to post here more.

    Very recently my fiery interest in watching has been 're-engaged' by my rewatch of Hatakeyama vs Sakamoto. One of my favourites, for the WBA lightweight championship.

    What a fight!

    A pure battle for pride and honor. Sakamoto was a flame who Burnt himself out, in a truly heroic performance. Unfortunately, he couldn't get past the strong Hatakeyama.

    From this bout, I have also been reviewing Joichiro Tatsuyoshi. He has quickly become one of my favourites, from his battles with Singwacha and Yakushiji.

    I will try to post fight reviews, though may withhold on scoring as I don't like to score on first viewing. Most of Tatsuyoshi'don't need it anyway.
     
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    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Looking forward to it! I appreciate the names given and my curiosity is peaked to see what footage is out there of them....I still have some Moon, Jiro, Khaosai, and Gushiken on tap to go through first....hopefully, as I keep getting sidetracked lol.
     
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    Yeah, I can never seem to watch my bouts in a 'proper' order haha.

    I look forward to your posts.
     
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    Sung Kil Moon vs Nana Yaw Konadu I

    This is one of the most satisfying fights I have watched this year. A great back and forth slugfest, with 5 knockdowns along the way. Rounds 4-9 are filled with heated back and forth exchanges.

    Konadu is more technically sound than Moon and his jab and movement present all kinds of problems for Moon. Konadu does well on the inside although in those exchanges Moon is clearly the stronger harder puncher eventually taking the exchanges Konadu does not slip out of. The jab of Konadu is fast with enough snap to knockdown Moon in the 5th and even puts Moon on the defensive for a few rounds. Moon does not have good defensive skills which is seldom a problem, but he is intentionally focusing on it during the final 3 rounds or so.

    Moon is crude but not necessarily unskilled, he just seems to eschew defense for the sake of offense trusting his chin to bail him out, and his own offense to minimize those times. Here he is put to the test.

    I imagine a technically sound boxer with good movement and a nice jab, and enough power to earn Moon’s respect like Konadu does would be able to beat him. I am not sure how many could outslug him. It takes a special person and performance like Khaokor to beat a guy like Moon.

    I scored 4 10-9 for Konadu even though Konadu scored a KD. Just felt like Moon controlled much of the round outside of that.

    Disappointing ending to a great fight when it is stopped after 9 due to a cut on Moon. Strange this is the 3rd Moon fight I have watched that has been stopped due to him being cut on accidental headbutts.

    RBR
    1 Moon 10-8 (Konadu down twice moon down once)
    2 Konadu
    3 Moon 10-8 (Moon 29-26)
    4 Konadu 10-9 with a KD
    5 Konadu (Moon 47-46)
    6 Moon
    7 Konadu
    8 Moon
    9 Moon (Moon 86-83)

    Moon RTD 86-83 on my card

    Well worth checking out if you have not seen it! Rounds 5-9 are filled with heated back and forth exchanges
     
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    Sung Kil Moon vs Nana Yaw Konadu II

    Konadu starts out boxing like the first fight and his jab helps him to nip a close rd. Moon misses wide and can’t seem to get into range.

    Rd2-4 Moon catches Konadu and drops him. Konadu unable to outbox moon now adopts plan B

    Retreat to a corner and block all of moons punches with your face in the hopes his arms tire out. Toward the end of the 4th Cortez waves it off as Konadu is just getting slaughtered.

    I scored rd 3 10-8 Even with no KD

    Moon TKO 39-36 on my card and all 3 judges
     
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    The thing with Moon is that he had his own unique rhythm that would draw fighters in, due to his unique style. The opponent wouldn't even realise I til it was too late.

    It's takes more than just skills to beat Moon.
     
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    Joichiro Tatsuyoshi vs Yasuei Yakushiji

    Another awesome war featuring Tatsuyoshi. Its not surprising that he faded so quickly in his career, but at his peak he was really something. I think this bout took a bit from him, and it was only his 13th (though he won the title in his 8th)

    Joichiro's movement in the beginning of the bout was simply superb, and he continued to have flashes of it later on. However, Yakushiji's stoic, stable boxing allowed him to target Tatsuyoshi's eyes during his explosive attacks, and eventually establish a lead in the bout and his eventual victory. I am not surprised Tatsuyoshi had eye troubles in his career despite his sharp movement.

    Both men were rocked at times, though Yahushiji was actually hurt, whereas Joichiro sustained more damage overall. If Joichiro had really established his jab, I believe he could've won, though its just ifs and could'ves.

    A very fan friendly bout.
     
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    Was just scouting his available fights on YouTube after you brought him up yesterday. Looks like about 10 or so out there. Got a rec for a place to start or just go in order?
     
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    This is the version of Tatsuyoshi vs Yakushiji I watched. There is an English titled version, though.



    I also found a vid of Tatsuyoshi sparring at 18 years old.
     
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    Joichiro Tatsuyoshi vs Shigeru Okabe

    Not much to say here.

    A young, raw Tatsuyoshi gives a conclusive finsish to win the Japanese Batamweight Title against a skilled rangy operator.

    Tatsuyoshi landed a perfect left hook to knock down Shigeru, then knocked him down again with a right, before stopping him with a body shot to end it in the 4th.
     
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    Veeraphol Sahaprom vs Joichiro Tatsuyoshi I

    Thanks to @roughdiamond for putting Tatsuyoshi on my radar. Since I have both of these guys on my to watch list I figured I would start here before looking at them separately.

    This is a very fun hard hitting tactical chess match. Not a slug fest but plenty of hard hitting action from 2 guys circling center ring the entire time.

    Starts out slow but not boring, both guys fronting, testing the range and Tatsuyoshi is a little more active and lands a little better.

    Round 2 both guys going to the body good with Tatsuyoshi taking the early part and Sahaprom closing better. Very close tough to score rd.

    3 Both guys jabbing well and going to the body. Veeraphol picks up the pace and takes a close rd on my card.

    4-5 Veeraphol is landing more and better and begins to dictate the fight. His jab is quicker stronger and has more snap. While Tatsuyoshi has his moments, his defense is not as good as Veeraphol and he is eating to many strong flush jabs and power punches along the way.

    6 midway through another back and forth rd. Veeraphol lands a right, right on the chin and Tatsuyoshi is hurt. He keeps fighting but a perfect left hook sends him down. He fights back valiantly but soon Sahaprom lands a barrage backing him up, the ref waves it off as Tatsuyoshi falls to the canvas a second time.

    RBR
    1 Tatsuyoshi
    2-5 Sahaprom
    Sahaprom 49-46 on my card.

    I agree with the judge who had it the same, I can see the card for the judge who had Veeraphol 3-2, not sure I see the 3-2 edge for Tatsuyoshi the 3rd judge had. Rd 1 was Tatsuyoshi, 2 arguably close either way. I didn’t find the 3rd close enough to score for Tatsuyoshi although he did land the best shot of the round, it just wasn’t enough for me. 4-5 not blowouts but Veeraphol clearly wins these 2.

    Very fun fight well worth the 25 minutes it takes to watch it! I am looking forward to watching more of both of these guys.
     
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    It's a shame Tatsuyoshi's eyes were ****ed by then, but I'm not sure if the result would be that different if they weren't.
     
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    Joichiro Tatsuyoshi vs Greg Richardson

    Tatsuyoshi wins the WBC title!

    A sustained beating from Tatsuyoshi in his 8th professional bout. His pressure was absolutely relentless from the very beginning; he was on him like a dog. Tatsuyoshi had absolutely no regard for the punches thrown by Richardson, causing him to explosively close the distance and sometimes take shots he could've avoided, even with his sharp movement.

    I only gave Richardson the 6 and 7th, where the pace slightly slowed.

    Result: Tatsuyoshi 10th round stoppage via corner stool pull out.

    A fun, if one sided, bout.
     
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    Yong Kang Kim UD12 Sot Chitalada

    This is Chitalada dropping his title the first time. I just watched the Bernal footage and it's crazy seeing how different Sot fights because of how differently his opponent fight, just such aa contrast. Kim wants to cut about the ring, stay very very loose, do nothing in the first except bob, feint. Sot isn't getting much done his own self. Just some weird exchanges in the clinch.

    Sot gets his nose in front, probably, with some hit and chase single punches, landing a hurtful looking left hook in the third; Kim really rings his bell in the fourth though with a zipping right hand that dips the Thai at the knees; for a moment it look like he might go. So Kim goes man-posssessed, and it is messy and kind of glorious but in the end he comes up short with the pressure attack. 2-2 after 4. Watching a pure-boxer type turn attempted KO artist is usually weirdly entertaining.

    But the fight does stall again. Chitalada is able to win rounds just by landing single right-handed swings to the body while stalking. I really never have seen a walkdown quite like it. The rounds are close, because Sot is landing just here and there so when Sin lands two punches, round becomes confusing. But It's edging towards Sot for me.

    After 8, they're square again for me. Kim seems to have learned his limitations here and he seems to know what he is doing. He's moving in as well as out now, challenging Chitalada's space with a beltline attack and single shots upstairs. It's still not a good fight but it's definitely livened up and Chitalada has not adapted - not at all. He's still boxing his single-shot stalking strategy. Kim in the lead for the first time after the ninth. He's coming for Sot now, two-handed, but in spurts and spells. It's a pretty epic strategy from the Korean.

    Chitalada just about stops the rot by winning the tenth. He's using a left hook and right uppercut more, uppercut especially is a decent scoring shot and it puts him in the lead for significant serious shots landed. He's also back in the role of main-aggressor, though Kim is hanging all over him in the clinches.

    Kim nails the twelfth. He's married the weird aggression to the box-move strategy for the first time and wins this round of boxing. So Sot, who has won one round on my card since the 6th, needs t win the twelfth to get a draw on my card. Doesn't get it. Kim is way, way higher in energy and Sot just couldn't match him.

    7-5 Kim. The decision was just.

    Kim:2,4,7,8,9,11,12
    Chitalada:1,3,5,6,10,
     
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