the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

I've always wanted to see the title bout between Ronnie Shields and Tsuyoshi Hamada. I recall when this took place and saying, 'OK, Shields will win the title this time.' It was one of those sure things that blew me away when I heard the results. Anyways, I found it on youtube and here is how I scored it.

Round 1: 10-9 Shields
Round 2: 10-9 Shields
Round 3: 10-9 Hamada
Round 4: 10-8 Shields (point deducted from Hamada for low blows)
Round 5: 10-9 Hamada
Round 6: 10-9 Shields
Round 7: 10-9 Shields
Round 8: 10-9 Shields
Round 9: 10-8 Hamada (point deducted from Shields for pulling the head down)
Round 10: 10-9 Hamada
Round 11: 10-9 Shields
Round 12: 10-9 Shields

Total: 117-113 Shields

Actual scores were 116-111 and 111-108 both for Hamada and 115-113 for Shields.

Shields was a hard-luck fighter who often would slip into a lull and needed a fire under his stool to get going. But in this fight I think he was hard done by. He boxed well enough and kept a lead right going that the awkward Japanese couldn't avoid. And when he wanted to he matched him strength for strength. Hamada made very awkward lunges that he found some success and made life difficult for Shields at several points. But the crowd, who cheered everything Hamada threw, even when it didn't land won the fight for him. That and the two Asian judges. Difficult to know for sure how the verdict was received. The crowd cheered, but then started tossing in seat cushions into the ring. Something like that would be accompanied by boos so I don't know if that is a different custom there. Anyways, I feel Ronnie Shields was robbed. Would love to hear others POV on this fight.

 

I'll add it to my list. Good write up.

 

You know, I should add in regards to the Hamada-Shields fight that I cannot come up with any mathematical computation on how James Jen Kin came up with a score of 111-108.

 

McGrain, that is a terrific breakdown on this fight. Well done. I scored this a few months back and I too had it very close. We are at odds with several rounds but I think this was the nature of this fight. Every round was close. Here is my card below and what I wrote.

Gonzalez-Ohba. 5 point must system in effect.

Round 1: 5-4 Ohba
Round 2: 5-4 Ohba
Round 3: 5-4 Gonzalez
Round 4: 5-4 Ohba
Round 5: 5-4 Ohba
Round 6: 5-4 Ohba
Round 7: 5-4 Gonzalez
Round 8: 5-4 Gonzalez
Round 9: 5-5 Even
Round 10: 5-4 Ohba
Round 11: 5-4 Gonzalez
Round 12: 5-4 Gonzalez
Round 13: 5-4 Ohba
Round 14: 5-5 Even
Round 15: 5-4 Gonzalez

Total: 69-68 Ohba

I was so impressed with Gonzalez. So sharp and so economical with his shots. I can see why he had something like 45 KOs to his credit. He didn't really solve the height and reach issue that Ohba presented until the 7th. After that he was playing catch-up and came up just shy in the scoring. What's noticeable is the complete lack of bodywork. They were head-hunting from start to finish. A really good fight and Gonzalez looked like he could have easily done another 5 rounds while Ohba was dragging that last round.

 

Toney vs Jirov

1. Toney 10-9 (Toney 10-9)
2. Even 19-19 (Jirov 10-9)
3. Toney 29-28 (Toney 10-9)
4. Even 38-38 (Jirov 10-9)
5. Jirov 48-47 (Jirov 10-9)
6. Jirov 58-56 (Jirov 10-9)
7. Jirov 67-66 (Toney 10-9)
8. Jirov 76-75 (Even 9-9)
9. Jirov 86-84 (Jirov 10-9)
10. Jirov 95-94 (Toney 10-9)
11. Jirov 105-103 (Jirov 10-9)
12. Even 113-113 (Toney 10-8)

Would love to have seen a rematch. I don't like Jirov but the look of disappointment in his face after the decision was announced made me appreciate how much he wanted it.

 

Kind of shows how little body punching is rewarded compared to the headshots.

 

Toney vs Mike McCallum

1. McCallum 10-9 (McCallum 10-9)
2. Even 19-19 (Toney 10-9)*
3. McCallum 29-28 (McCallum 10-9)
4. McCallum 39-38 (Even 10-10)
5. McCallum 49-47 (McCallum 10-9)
6. McCallum 58-57 (Toney 10-9)
7. McCallum 68-66 (McCallum 10-9)
8. McCallum 77-76 (Toney 10-9)
9. McCallum 87-85 (McCallum 10-9)
10. McCallum 96-95 (Toney 10-9)
11. Even 105-105 (Toney 10-9)
12. Toney 115-114 (Toney 10-9)*

*I can see 2 10-8 rounds here, should you give Toney the "slip in the second" and the 12th round was a brutal beatdown, can definitely see a 10-8, just wouldn't give it myself

 

@The Undefeated Lachbuster views on James Toney? I'm doing a "the thread" on him

 

Toney vs Michael Nunn

1. Toney 10-9 (Toney 10-9)
2. Even 19-19 (Nunn 10-9)
3. Nunn 29-28 (Nunn 10-9)
4. Even 38-38 (Toney 10-9)
5. Nunn 48-47 (Nunn 10-9)
6. Nunn 58-56 (Nunn 10-9)
7. Nunn 68-65 (Nunn 10-9)
8. Nunn 77-75 (Toney 10-9)
9. Nunn 86-85 (Toney 10-9)
10. Nunn 96-94 (Nunn 10-9)
11. Even 104-104 (Toney 10-8) TOS

 

Defensive genius, good power, solid chin. Complete package fighter. He's proof that if you can beat larger men if you're better than them at boxing

He's somewhere 100-80 on my top 100p4p list. Personally I was never a fan of his but his accomplishments are undeniable. Beating Holyfield was his best moment

 

George, I scored this recently and we're not far off, although I only scored the completed rounds, but we're right there.

Michael Nunn vs. James Toney

Round 1: 10-9 Toney
Round 2: 10-9 Nunn
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Nunn
Round 5: 10-9 Nunn
Round 6: 10-9 Nunn
Round 7: 10-9 Nunn
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Toney
Round 10: 10-9 Nunn
Round 11: TKO for Toney

Total: 98-94 Nunn through 10 completed rounds. You have to zone out on Dan Goosen commentating at ringside a bit because I believe he had parted ways with Nunn by this time and more times than not when Toney landed he stated that Nunn was hurt. I do think he was very shaky at the end of the 10th though, despite the fact that I gave Nunn the round. I thought he had done so much work earlier in the round that I couldn't forget it. I think the worst thing that happened to Nunn was KOing Kalambay in the first round. He seemed to think he was a slugger. Dundee tried everything to get him moving but he stayed in close too much. Interesting fight.

 

Kid Gavilan v Carmen Basilio - 1953 World Welterweight Championship

Top notch fight featuring two all-time greats at this weight, reigning champ Gavilan against future champ Basilio in a fight that was tighter than a gnat's ass.

I decided not to score it because I just wanted to enjoy it but regretted that as the fight went on as it was obviously very close so would have been good to have a tally to view at the end.

Basilio seemed confident at the end that he'd got it and he seemed to land the more significant punches in the fight, not least the ones that dropped Gavilan early in the fight. But as it wore on, Gavilan kept the more steady punch output using his jab to keep the fight at distance, which suited him better. Basilio was looking for opportunities to counter but stopped using his jab as much so Gavilan probably edged rounds based on that.

When they got in close, the fight exploded for those brief moments but it never broke out into a full-on war. The fact that those moments became fewer as the fight wore on was a sign that Gavilan was probably edging things his way.

The fight took place in Syracuse, NY so obviously it was an unpopular decision but a split decision seemed like an inevitable outcome. Still, Basilio could certainly consider himself unlucky. He landed the bigger punches and scored the only knockdown and the rounds were close enough most of the time that they could have gone either way.

 

Bowe vs Gonzalez.
Every round: Big Daddy
Had a rough night b4 going to work and wanted to see a bludgeoning to easy my anger.

 

Kid Gavilan - Carmen Basilio

Jel, I scored this about a year ago. This is what I wrote:

I'm scoring this on the NY rules used at the time which was a rounds basis and no extra point for the knockdown in the 2nd round.

Round 1: Gavilan
Round 2: Basilio (Basilio scores a knockdown)
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Basilio
Round 5: Even
Round 6: Basilio
Round 7: Basilio
Round 8: Gavilan
Round 9: Even
Round 10: Gavilan
Round 11: Gavilan
Round 12: Basilio
Round 13: Even
Round 14: Gavilan
Round 15: Gavilan

Total: 6-5-4 Gavilan

This was a decent fight but nothing scintillating about it. Very, very close. Man, 4 even rounds was a lot but I don't like that flip of a coin style of judging. That really penalizes one fighter and this was a very tight fight.