the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. PhillyPhan69

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    Kevin Kelley vs Alejandro Gonzalez

    Very fun hard hitting fight, with lots of ebbs and flows and momentum shifts.

    Kelley starts out boxing well, while Gonzalez is throwing with some bad intentions. Rds 1-3 are back and forth with one guy having success and then the other guy comes back rinse and repeat.

    In the 3rd Kelley’s corner (actually both corners give the same instruction) tells him to start aiming for the chest rather than boxing like he had....after 3 cornerman Borgia yells at Kelley for not jabbing to the head lol. **** poor corner job all night an the cut man never does anything (ice?) for Kelley’s eye which swells continuously prompting foreman to say they look very inexperienced in the corner.

    4-7 Gonzalez assumes control landing over 50% and throwing over 100 a round. Kelley digs deep but is getting outworked and outhit. In 6 he goes down, and his eye is swollen, perhaps a broken orbital bone on top of it?

    In 7 Kelley comes back, but I still scored Gonzalez although Lederman and Merchant both score for Kelley.

    8-9 Kelley assumes control and after getting outhit for the first minute of 8 unleashes his own assault and drops Gonzalez with a left hook on the button.

    10 good round both guys tired and punches have less on them...Gonzalez begins teeing off, Kelley’s eye looks shut completely. The last minute led 1 judge to score it 10-8 and while I did not, I can see the reasoning.

    Kelley goes to his corner after the beat down and tells them he can’t see, they say the fight is over and the ref waves it off between 10-11

    TKO for Gonzalez
    1 Kelley
    2 Gonzalez
    3 Kelley
    4 Gonzalez
    5 Gonzalez
    6 Gonzalez 10-8
    7 Gonzalez
    8 Kelley 10-8
    9 Kelley
    10 Gonzalez

    Gonzalez up 95-93 on my card.
     
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    Robert Quiroga vs Kid Akeem Anifowoshe

    What an epic fight....what a tragic ending!

    Just got done watching it for the 3rd time but first time scoring it. One of the all time great fights followed by one of the all time tragic endings. Both guys deserved to win if that is possible, and even though I didn’t have a draw I think it would be a fitting ending.

    I thought Quiroga edged it and landed better for 2/3 of the fight. I had kid winning 3 of the final 4, but coming up just short.

    Do you have a scorecard?

    RBR
    1 Quiroga
    2 Quiroga
    3 Anifowoshe
    4 Quiroga
    5 Quiroga
    6 Anifowoshe
    7 Quiroga
    8 Quiroga
    9 Anifowoshe
    10 Quiroga
    11 Anifowoshe
    12 Anifowoshe
    Quiroga 115-113

    I though Quiroga won 5/10 pretty good
    Anifowoshe 9/12 pretty good

    The other 8 I can see pretty much anyway, and you could score everyone opposite of me with no complaint. They are that hard to score.

    116-112 for either guy is defendable in my opinion
     
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    Merqui Sosa vs Prince Charles Williams

    I watched this because I had not heard of a fight being scored a draw because both guys were deemed unfit to continue by the Dr. And ref.

    I don’t spend much time watching fights at 175 and above because I prefer the speed and skills of the lighter guys. This was a very good 175 war, but little defense and skill and barely a jab to make note of. If you enjoy a brutal war with 2 guys planted in each other’s chests this is a fight you should watch.

    Punch rate is high, although by rd 6 there is little pop behind the punches as both guys are arm weary. You could put them in a phone booth rather than a ring and get the same type of result. Little movement or skill just leaning clinching and punching...a decent enough war if that is what you are in the mood for.

    Rounds 1-3 are very close and I could see 3-0 for either guy, rounds 4-7 are largely Sosa. But plenty of slugging and back and forth. Mostly 1 guy leaning on the other and wailing away, till the other guy shifts and then the same thing the opposite way. But by 4 Sosa is winning those exchanges.

    I think you could score this 1
    70-63 Sosa or 67-66 Sosa or anything in between. The judges all gave Williams 1 rd I gave him 2, but 1-3 can go a number of ways.

    RBR
    1 Williams
    2 Sosa
    3 Williams
    4 Sosa
    5 Sosa
    6 Sosa
    7 Sosa
    Sosa up 68-65 on my card.
    I judge had a 10-8 rd that I don’t see but oh well.

    I actually thought in rd 4 Williams hit Sosa who fell into the rope sitting on rope 2 that could have been ruled a KD but was not.

    A draw was ruled when the Dr. Told the ref neither guy was fit to continue. Disappointing end to a semi decent LHW battle.

    Not fought at a high enough skill level for me to rewatch in the future, but a decent 30 minute slugfest if that is what you are in the mood for.
     
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    Sung Kil Moon vs Torsak Pongsupa

    A very fun short slugfest. Moon is a relentless stalker puncher, a little wide open defensively, with a top notch chin and durability.

    Pongsupa starts out boxing well when the pressure and punching of Moon drops him in rd 1. Pongsupa shows some decent boxing skills, but gets caught cleanly a little to often. He has decent movement but is not strong enough to deter Moon, he backs Moon up with a strong jab to the solar plexus, but Moon is right back on him.

    In the 3rd Pongsupa takes a close round but it was his moments boxing that allowed him to do so. But Moon is notvgiving him any space and Pongsupas jab is not really strong enough.

    Moon back on him in 4 giving Pongsupa no room to maneuver or operate like he needs to.

    In 5 ultra close, Pongsupa abandons any pretense of boxing and tries valiantly to slug away with with moon. He holds his own in terms of landing and scoring, but moons durability has him seeming fresh while the war is taking its toll on Pongsupa.

    In 6 back to trench warfare, an uppercut from moon drops Pongsupa who looks wobbly. The ref lets it continue but stops it after the next sequence by moon.

    Moon TKO 6

    Moon is a high volume puncher with great punch variety although I can’t tell much about his jab, as he looked to get inside as quick as possible. Solid power, and rips the body good (round 4 body work is excellent). More of a stalker puncher than outright swarmer in his pressure fighting style. Solid chin and great durability.

    On the flip side he does not look to outbox Pongsupa, and is wide open defensively taking many more shots than he needed to relying on chin rather than blocking or slipping punches for the sake of more offense and pressure.

    I would guess a boxer with good movement a decent jab and respectable power would trouble Moon at least in regards to this fight. But Moon seems comfortable going forward or against the ropes and the pressure of Pongsupa didn’t seem to faze him at all.

    Pongsupa showed decent skill but lacked the pop in his punch to give him room to operate. He gave a good account of himself but moons relentless pressure and punching wore him down.

    Moon 1-2-4
    Pongsupa 3-5

    Rounds 3-5 could be scored a variety of ways with the judges scoring 0-1-2 rounds for Pongsupa. But by the 6th it wouldn’t matter.
     
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    Sung Kil Moon Vs Oky Petrus

    One sided best down. Not much to say or analyze. Moon starts out boxing feeling his way in, drops Petrus in the first, and is an all out assault after that. Petrus is game but his punches have little to no effect even when he is able to land, which is not often. Moon again makes no pretense to jab and basically swarms inside the second he can feint his way in. You could score 3 10-8 with no knockdown although I did not.

    In the 4th the assault of moon drops Petrus again, the action continues and Petrus turns to the corner covering up as the ref waves it off

    1-3 moon with 1 a 10-8 rd
    Moon TKO 4
     
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    Sung Kil Moon vs Chiaki Kobayashi

    A game Kobayashi tries to go toe to toe with Moon, and while he tries valiantly to swing with him he quickly fades and folds under the brutal assault of Moon. Nothing skilled or fancy about Moon just nonstop relentless pressure.

    TKO 5
    My score like 2 of the judges is 40-36 Moon. I am not sure how the 3rd judge found a round for Kobayashi but he did. 3-4 could be scored 10-8 with no problem even though I didnt
     
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    I haven't posted here in a while, and really, I'd like to post here more.

    Very recently my fiery interest in watching has been 're-engaged' by my rewatch of Hatakeyama vs Sakamoto. One of my favourites, for the WBA lightweight championship.

    What a fight!

    A pure battle for pride and honor. Sakamoto was a flame who Burnt himself out, in a truly heroic performance. Unfortunately, he couldn't get past the strong Hatakeyama.

    From this bout, I have also been reviewing Joichiro Tatsuyoshi. He has quickly become one of my favourites, from his battles with Singwacha and Yakushiji.

    I will try to post fight reviews, though may withhold on scoring as I don't like to score on first viewing. Most of Tatsuyoshi'don't need it anyway.
     
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    Looking forward to it! I appreciate the names given and my curiosity is peaked to see what footage is out there of them....I still have some Moon, Jiro, Khaosai, and Gushiken on tap to go through first....hopefully, as I keep getting sidetracked lol.
     
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    Yeah, I can never seem to watch my bouts in a 'proper' order haha.

    I look forward to your posts.
     
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    Sung Kil Moon vs Nana Yaw Konadu I

    This is one of the most satisfying fights I have watched this year. A great back and forth slugfest, with 5 knockdowns along the way. Rounds 4-9 are filled with heated back and forth exchanges.

    Konadu is more technically sound than Moon and his jab and movement present all kinds of problems for Moon. Konadu does well on the inside although in those exchanges Moon is clearly the stronger harder puncher eventually taking the exchanges Konadu does not slip out of. The jab of Konadu is fast with enough snap to knockdown Moon in the 5th and even puts Moon on the defensive for a few rounds. Moon does not have good defensive skills which is seldom a problem, but he is intentionally focusing on it during the final 3 rounds or so.

    Moon is crude but not necessarily unskilled, he just seems to eschew defense for the sake of offense trusting his chin to bail him out, and his own offense to minimize those times. Here he is put to the test.

    I imagine a technically sound boxer with good movement and a nice jab, and enough power to earn Moon’s respect like Konadu does would be able to beat him. I am not sure how many could outslug him. It takes a special person and performance like Khaokor to beat a guy like Moon.

    I scored 4 10-9 for Konadu even though Konadu scored a KD. Just felt like Moon controlled much of the round outside of that.

    Disappointing ending to a great fight when it is stopped after 9 due to a cut on Moon. Strange this is the 3rd Moon fight I have watched that has been stopped due to him being cut on accidental headbutts.

    RBR
    1 Moon 10-8 (Konadu down twice moon down once)
    2 Konadu
    3 Moon 10-8 (Moon 29-26)
    4 Konadu 10-9 with a KD
    5 Konadu (Moon 47-46)
    6 Moon
    7 Konadu
    8 Moon
    9 Moon (Moon 86-83)

    Moon RTD 86-83 on my card

    Well worth checking out if you have not seen it! Rounds 5-9 are filled with heated back and forth exchanges
     
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    Sung Kil Moon vs Nana Yaw Konadu II

    Konadu starts out boxing like the first fight and his jab helps him to nip a close rd. Moon misses wide and can’t seem to get into range.

    Rd2-4 Moon catches Konadu and drops him. Konadu unable to outbox moon now adopts plan B

    Retreat to a corner and block all of moons punches with your face in the hopes his arms tire out. Toward the end of the 4th Cortez waves it off as Konadu is just getting slaughtered.

    I scored rd 3 10-8 Even with no KD

    Moon TKO 39-36 on my card and all 3 judges
     
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    The thing with Moon is that he had his own unique rhythm that would draw fighters in, due to his unique style. The opponent wouldn't even realise I til it was too late.

    It's takes more than just skills to beat Moon.
     
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    Joichiro Tatsuyoshi vs Yasuei Yakushiji

    Another awesome war featuring Tatsuyoshi. Its not surprising that he faded so quickly in his career, but at his peak he was really something. I think this bout took a bit from him, and it was only his 13th (though he won the title in his 8th)

    Joichiro's movement in the beginning of the bout was simply superb, and he continued to have flashes of it later on. However, Yakushiji's stoic, stable boxing allowed him to target Tatsuyoshi's eyes during his explosive attacks, and eventually establish a lead in the bout and his eventual victory. I am not surprised Tatsuyoshi had eye troubles in his career despite his sharp movement.

    Both men were rocked at times, though Yahushiji was actually hurt, whereas Joichiro sustained more damage overall. If Joichiro had really established his jab, I believe he could've won, though its just ifs and could'ves.

    A very fan friendly bout.
     
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    Was just scouting his available fights on YouTube after you brought him up yesterday. Looks like about 10 or so out there. Got a rec for a place to start or just go in order?
     
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    This is the version of Tatsuyoshi vs Yakushiji I watched. There is an English titled version, though.



    I also found a vid of Tatsuyoshi sparring at 18 years old.