the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. Tramell

    Tramell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bowe vs Gonzalez.
    Every round: Big Daddy
    Had a rough night b4 going to work and wanted to see a bludgeoning to easy my anger.
     
  2. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Kid Gavilan - Carmen Basilio

    Jel, I scored this about a year ago. This is what I wrote:

    I'm scoring this on the NY rules used at the time which was a rounds basis and no extra point for the knockdown in the 2nd round.

    Round 1: Gavilan
    Round 2: Basilio (Basilio scores a knockdown)
    Round 3: Even
    Round 4: Basilio
    Round 5: Even
    Round 6: Basilio
    Round 7: Basilio
    Round 8: Gavilan
    Round 9: Even
    Round 10: Gavilan
    Round 11: Gavilan
    Round 12: Basilio
    Round 13: Even
    Round 14: Gavilan
    Round 15: Gavilan

    Total: 6-5-4 Gavilan

    This was a decent fight but nothing scintillating about it. Very, very close. Man, 4 even rounds was a lot but I don't like that flip of a coin style of judging. That really penalizes one fighter and this was a very tight fight.
     
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  3. Jel

    Jel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Great stuff! So, I guess on a 10 point must system, you'd have made it a draw? That seems fair to me.

    Apart from the knockdown, they were pretty tough to separate.
     
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    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If anyone wants to see a fun shoot-out, check out the Bruce Curry-Monroe Brooks fight. These former friends had some dispute and they hated each other and wanted to take their heads off. I saw it live when it took place, but here we go with a scorecard. 10 point must being used rather than the California system (which they may have converted to at this time).

    Round 1: 10-10 Even (was leaning for Curry but Brooks came back with 3 bombs at the bell to pull it even)
    Round 2: 10-8 Curry (scores a knockdown)
    Round 3: 10-9 Brooks
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-9 Brooks
    Round 6: 10-9 Curry
    Round 7: 10-9 Curry
    Round 8: 10-9 Curry
    Round 9: KO for Curry

    Total (through 8 completed rounds): 78-75 Curry

    Actual scores were 77-75 and 79-73 for Curry and 76-76. When Brooks boxed rather than load up on everything to decapitate Curry he didn't do bad. Just couldn't keep his head and paid for it. Good fight.
     
  5. roughdiamond

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    Israel Contreras vs Wilfredo Vazquez Sr.
    KO1

    Not much to say here. A pretty even, skilled fight between two experienced operators is finished with the detonation of a huge right hand. Contreras' odd movement to the right allowed him to land several times before the huge shot that finished it, and Vazquez couldn't adapt quickly enough before the shot came.
     
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    Armstrong vs ross because its now in colour, just love Armstrong....
     
  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cincinnati Cobra Full Member

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    So I finally sat down and properly scored it and analysed
    Canelo vs GGG

    1. GGG 10-9 (GGG 10-9)
    Close round, I thought GGGs was harder, landing more and was more dominant than Canelo's. Nothing really heavy landed.

    2. Even 19-19 (Canelo 10-9)
    Canelo showed some very nice head movement, landed a really nice check hook to GGGs head early on and used his speed to pull the round. GGG showed some good defence as well, people who say he's very easy to hit don't know what they're talking about. Canelo landed some good body shots which GGG seemed to neglect.

    3. Even 29-29 (Even 10-10)
    Very close round could go either way, both landed good jabs with little heavy artillery, GGG landed more but also missed more. Good round for both.

    4. GGG 39-38 (GGG 10-9)
    Another very close round, a great round to watch. GGG clearly did better in the first half of the round but Canelo started to do his thing and slowly pulled back the second half, could be an even round but I don't like giving them and GGG was more dominant in the first half than Canelo was in the second. GGG did seem to forget how to use his feet in the exchanges

    5. Even 48-48 (Canelo 10-9)
    Canelo landed more jabs and slipped more punches in the first half of the round, he was clearly the busier puncher and hit some good shots to the body, GGG came back mid way through the round and remembered he had a right hand. He landed a couple rights to Canelo's temple and ear as well as upping his jab rate but didn't do enough to win the round imo.

    6. Canelo 58-57 (Canelo 10-9)
    Excellent showing from Canelo, textbook example of how to merge offense with defence. Great head movement and looked like a really fluid fighter. He made GGG miss alot and landed lots of hooks, upstairs and down, and popped the jab at will, clear Canelo round and the clearest round of the fight.

    7. Canelo 68-67 (Even 10-10)
    Canelo was slipping punches and landing some very nice leather in the first minute but GGGs jab was better whenever there were no exchanges. Canelo was clearly winning the exchanges and landed a really nice overhand right but then took a minute off and it let GGGs jab take over, something like Del a Hoya-Quartey. Could go either way.

    8. Canelo 78-76 (Canelo 10-9)
    Great round to watch, Canelo was throwing with bad intentions and so was Golovkin. Both men landed some real hard punches, Canelo got the better of the exchanges again but GGG did very well and roughed Canelo up as well. GGGs jab was dominant whilst not brawling.
    Story of the fight.

    9. Canelo 87-86 (GGG 10-9)
    Good round, GGG landed some excellent combinations and Canelo looked tired, he lost based on activity if nothing else, the pace he set earlier on seemed to catch up with him before it did Golovkin. So he just stopped throwing and moving and just took some heavy shots. When he was throwing he still looked very able but GGG clearly won.

    10. Even 96-96 (GGG 10-9)
    Canelo showed some incredible head movement here. He didn't land as much as GGG but he made Golovkin miss more. Close round based on GGGs activity and Canelo's slowing down in the last minute, that's why I think GGG nicked it, but I'd have no problem with it going either way. GGG landed some nice combinations and the best punch of the round.

    11. GGG 106-105 (GGG 10-9)
    Canelo for the first part of the round didn't do anything. He was slow and showed no willingness to punch, defend or even move. In the second half of the round he came back and landed some good shots but GGG was also landing good shots at the same time. Close but clear GGG round.

    12. Even 115-115 (Canelo 10-9)
    What a showing. Great round. Huge respect for the pair and between the pair. Great fight.

    Canelo won the round clearly, he landed better punches and slipped better punches, he clearly had a second Wind and showed heart and grit he managed to cut GGG. GGG showed a good jab still even in the 12th.


    Notes

    Commentators were bias as **** and annoying.

    GGGs footwork was pretty poor considering how he should've approached the match up. He should've been rough, pushy and cutting off the ring, he wasn't and showed Canelo too much respect. He clearly was very well conditioned and was showing alot of power in his punches.

    Canelo has clearly improved his stamina and his movement is coming on nicely. His head movement whilst tired was brilliant in the tenth. I don't like him but the look of happiness on his face and the scream when Micheal said AND THE NEW and in the Kellerman interview shouted VIVA LA MÉXICO really warmed my heart.

    As Kevin Kelly said, it's could go either way and that no matter what the scorecards would be a mess.



    Both men have given us a great fight, which I thought noone won, and both will go down as modern day greats and get in the HOF. Bring on the third.
     
  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Got a chance to sit down today and score the first fight between Emile Griffith and Luis Rodriguez. Scored on the NY rounds basis. Here we go, 10 rounds.

    Round 1: Griffith
    Round 2: Rodriguez
    Round 3: Griffith
    Round 4: Rodriguez
    Round 5: Rodriguez
    Round 6: Even
    Round 7: Griffith
    Round 8: Rodriguez
    Round 9: Rodriguez
    Round 10: Rodriguez

    Total: 6-3-1 Rodriguez

    Actual scores were 6-4 and 5-4-1 Griffith and 5-4-1 Rodriguez. What won it for Luis on my card was simply workrate. Griffith was the stronger of the two but when Griffith clinched - especially in the last 3 rounds - he wanted to clinch. But Luis kept slathering his mid-section with body punches in those clinches. He was tireless and scoring cleanly. IMO, Rodriguez won the bout on workrate.
     
  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just watched a terrific little 10 rounder from the old Madison Square Garden telecasts between Paolo Rosi and Argentina's Manuel Alvarez. Damn, these great old fighters used to go at it before the paying audience and for the cameras. Afterall, they wanted to be asked back. Anyways here we go. NY rounds scoring system in effect.

    Round 1: Even
    Round 2: Rosi
    Round 3: Even (I would have had it for Alvarez but almost at the bell Rosi decked Alvarez, however, it was not scored a knockdown. I could not, however, go without giving it credit)
    Round 4: Rosi
    Round 5: Alvarez
    Round 6: Alvarez
    Round 7: Alvarez
    Round 8: Even
    Round 9: Rosi
    Round 10: Alvarez

    Total: 4-3-3 Alvarez

    Official scores were 7-3, 5-4-1 and 7-2-1 all for Rosi. The UPI scored it 7-3 for Alvarez and the press row were split.

    These two were back and forth and a draw probably would have been a better decision. But quite entertaining and fast. It was over before I knew it.
     
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  10. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just finished watching 10 rounds of the second Herrera-Olivares match, which was fun to find.....10 rounds was all this person had, but it was enough for me to get a good idea of what happened there.

    I may have misremembered, but I seem to recall someone here suggesting that Ruben did enough to take the decision in the rematch. Not seeing that at all. Of the 10 rounds I saw (my work computer has no sound and the TV screen did not show what round was commencing, sadly) I had Herrera winning six with a knockdown in one of the rounds, one even, and Olivares winning but three.

    Overall, Olivares looked tentative and unsure, and boxed form a distance, though not as well as Herrera. Both kept their right at home that day, not wanting to incur the counters when overcommitting. For all his prowess and vaunted left hook, it was Herrera who flashed that punch better, and one would be hard-pressed to find any hooks to the body here from Olivares. Herrera was the tidier, tighter, more aggressive fighter and usually just a shade quicker. He just seemed more engaged. Olivares seemed not to know how to respond to him and never really got untracked.
     
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    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just now read that this was just a 10-rounder..........never mind, it's all there then. Could've sworn it was a 12 round fight.
     
  12. McGrain

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    Naito UD12 Pongsaklek Wonjongkam

    The third of their fourth meetings and the first where Naito didn't get the total crap beaten out of him.

    Naito doesn't do circumspect, but Wonj has twice taught him temperance now and he at least takes a moment to think about what he's doing. Some of his stuff is just so awfully open though that Wonj is able to cuff his way back into the first after a bad start. Untidy first goes to the challenger though with the champion edging an equally unsatisfying second.

    Their second fight was decided by a TD after a clash of heads caused a shocking cut over Naito's right eye; here a similar incident causes a bad cut over Wonj's left. The challenger has succeeded in making the fight a god-awful mess, to his advantage given Wonj's technical superiority. But it is not a good fight. Wonj's comination punching is off by miles in the face of Naito's lurching, hyperactive style, and Naito's pressure slugging was never going to be pleasing on the eye. When Naito wins the fourth based upon a couple of clean right hands it's the first clearly won round of the fight. When he opened the fifth in the same vein as the first - aggressively, but with a specific target in mind, specifically the champion's body - he looked set to take the play away. But the fight soon disolved into the same car-crash as the fight so far.

    I have Naito 4-2 up after six but he looks knackered by the end of the eighth. Didn't think he could get more untidy! The amount of missing and cuffing is insane but it seems likely that Wonj will do well with his slightly neater work from here on in. He needs to. Naito can't lose if he wins one more round on my card.

    I have him winning the 10th; Wonj needs the 11th and 12th to escape with a draw for me. He lost the 11th and dropped the decision Every round was difficult and to score and ugly. I'm not surprised Naito got it in Japan though; he probably deserved it on balance.

    Bad fight.

    7-5 Naito.

    Naito:1,4,5,6,7,10,11.
    Wonjongkam:2,3,8,9,12.
     
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  13. gogeta

    gogeta New Member Full Member

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    Anyone have the playlists that the youtube channel boxing syko had? He had a ton of great fights but youtube shut his channel down
     
  14. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond You're not going to do it for free Full Member

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    I have my playlist of 502 videos. It's not in set order though.

    This content is protected
     
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    gogeta New Member Full Member

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    Very good list there.
     
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