the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    Olivares vs Chucho Castillo

    Very entertaining bout, fun to watch. Competitive but Clear who won, despite the KD.

    1. Olivares 10-9
    2. Olivares 20-18 (Olivares 10-9)
    3. Even 28-28 (Castillo 10-8)
    4. Olivares 38-37 (Olivares 10-9)
    5. Even 47-47 (Castillo 10-9) CLOSE
    6. Castillo 57-56 (Castillo 10-9)
    7. Even 66-66 (Olivares 10-9) CLOSE
    8. Olivares 76-75 (Olivares 10-9) CLOSE
    9. Olivares 86-84 (Olivares 10-9)
    10. Olivares 95-94 (Castillo 10-9) CLOSE
    11. Olivares 105-103 (Olivares 10-9)
    12. Olivares 114-113 (Castillo 10-9)
    13. Olivares 124-122 (Olivares 10-9)
    14. Olivares 134-131 (Olivares 10-9) CLOSE
    15. Olivares 144-140 (Olivares 10-9)

    Castillo had some very nice movement and parried shots off his arms well. He was also a quick combo puncher with his back to the ropes.

    I don't know if it was Castillo's type of Defence but when ever Ruben threw his right that didn't land flush (which happened consistently) he threw a picture perfect left hook immediately after. It reminded me of Bob Foster to degree.
     
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  2. Tramell

    Tramell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Watched Vazquez -Marquez II for the umpteenth time. The kind of fight, where I'm too busy enjoying to score it. Winner? The Fans!
     
  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    Golovkin vs Derevyanchenko

    1. GGG 10-8
    2. GGG 20-17 (GGG 10-9) CLOSE
    3. GGG 29-27 (SD 10-9)
    4. GGG 38-37 (SD 10-9)
    5. Even 47-47 (SD 10-9) CLOSE
    6. GGG 57-56 (GGG 10-9) CLOSE
    7. GGG 67-65 (GGG 10-9)
    8. GGG 76-75 (SD 10-9) CLOSE
    9. Even 85-85 (SD 10-9) CLOSE
    10. SD 95-94 (SD 10-9)
    11. Even 104-104 (GGG 10-9)
    12. GGG 114-113 (GGG 10-9)

    Every round marked CLOSE can be scored either way with no arguement from me.
    Not a prayer was this a robbery, just a very close fight where the A side got the nod. Get over it.

    Good fight, clear who's the better technician and who's physically superior.
    Aside from saying that GGG would stop him this was pretty on point.


    Notes
    DAZN commentators chat a lot of ****e
    The ref was really pissing me off

    GGG clearly much slower, not the same fighter as the one from the Canelo fight, let alone before. He still hits hard and puts shots together nicely.
    SD is an excellent, versatile boxer with great feet and ring IQ.
    Derevyanchenko has an argument to be a top 2/3 MW.
    Derevyanchenko penned a blueprint to beat GGG, it's virtually useless now that GGGs careers won't last long now but it gives some interesting insight to the some fantasy fights.
    GGG has forgotten how to throw body punches, and probably has since the Jacobs fight.
     
  4. George Crowcroft

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    Usyk vs Glowacki

    1. Usyk 10-9
    2. Even 19-19 (Glowacki 10-9) CLOSE
    3. Usyk 29-28 (Usyk 10-9)
    4. Usyk 39-37 (Usyk 10-9)
    5. Usyk 49-46 (Usyk 10-9)
    6. Usyk 59-55 (Usyk 10-9)
    7. Usyk 69-64 (Usyk 10-9)
    8. Usyk 79-73 (Usyk 10-9)
    9. Usyk 89-82 (Usyk 10-9)
    10. Usyk 99-91 (Usyk 10-9)
    11. Usyk 109-99 (Uysk 10-8)
    12. Usyk 119-108 (Usyk 10-9)
     
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    Pirog vs Jacobs

    1. Pirog 10-9
    2. Pirog 20-18 (Pirog 10-9)
    3. Pirog 29-28 (Jacobs 10-9)
    4. Pirog 39-37 (Pirog 10-9)
    5. TOS

    How was Jacobs up on points?
    Pirog looked 1. Unbelievably skilled, 2. Very weird. Beautiful punch to get the stoppage.
     
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  6. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Watched a great old fight today from the '50s out of Chicago stadium. Eduardo Lausse v Bobby Boyd. Two top-ten ranked fighters in a 10 rounder, which rarely happens today. Amazingly, Illinois was utilizing the 10 point must system. So, here we go.

    Round 1: 10-9 Boyd
    Round 2: 10-9 Lausse
    Round 3: 10-9 Boyd
    Round 4: 10-8 Lausse (scores a knockdown)
    Round 5: 10-9 Boyd
    Round 6: 10-9 Lausse
    Round 7: 10-9 Boyd
    Round 8: 10-9 Boyd
    Round 9: 10-10 Even
    Round 10: 10-10 Even

    Total: 96-95 Boyd

    Actual scores were 94-93 Lausse, 95-88 Boyd and 94-91 Boyd for a split decision win for Boyd. Illinois may have adopted the 10 point must system but I do not know their criteria on scoring, because those scores make little sense to me. Regarding the fight, Lausse was your typical Argentine that we have seen through the years. Strong as an ox, good jaw, clubbing puncher. Boyd was a slick boxer with a very good jab who didn't mind engaging with a sharp-shooting right hand. I felt it was tit-for-tat throughout until fatigue really got them in the last two rounds. The 9th you could really see them take the round off with a lot of mauling, but in the 10th Lausse was winning the round on my card, but Boyd flurried really well a couple of times during the round which pulled that even. If I gave that to Lausse I would have had a draw, which would also have been a good score. It was a good, hard 10 rounder.
     
  7. roughdiamond

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    Fred Apostoli TKO 9 Freddie Steele II

    After the absolute ****show that was the Steele vs Walker thread, I decided to re-watch footage on the ridiculously underestimated Steele, seen here near the end against the completely forgotten Apostoli. No scoring needed, this is not full, almost like a highlight vid, but shows the definite momentum of the bout. Steele had faced an injury prior to this one, and was much too active to let it recover (not a problem you'd ever see today), but Apostoli was a great fighter and near his absolute peak here.

    Steele starts off in that aesthetically pleasing classical stance of his, moving gracefully and pumping out his jab. Apostoli, however, was having none of it. Here we see a very aggressive, game and very very skilled fighter pushing the fight with his own left and pressuring footwork. Steele seems to have the momentum at the beginning with some great counters and footmovement, but is frequently pushed back by Apostoli and mauled in the corners. This seems to happen more and more frequently as the bout moves on. For reading about such an aggressive fighter, I was surprised at the array of counters Apsotoli showed, and his grace of movement, even when aggresive, comparable to the fading Steele's own.

    The bout takes a turn, the momentum further favouring Apostoli, when Steele kneels and states he is fouled. With Steele being such a game ATG, and knowing of Apostoli, it is very likely he was. There had already been some roughhousing in the clip.

    Towards the end, Apostoli completely takes over, employing a crouch masterfully whilst dominating and hurting Steele with some very effective blows, beating him in the corner. Steele shows great heart and durability surviving and even responding. Then the clip ends.

    From watching this, I can see how some can pick Walker to win. Not exactly crazy. However, this bout is definitely not indicative of a prime Steele, who would go on to 3 of his total 5 career losses. Steele seemed to lack the substance and sharpness he displayed in his pomp. And Apostoli is a ridiculously underrated fighter to compete against.


     
  8. PhillyPhan69

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    Dong Kyun Yum vs Wilfredo Gomez

    A young hungry Gomez goes for his first World Title!

    I don’t know much about Yum, but what he lacked in technical ability he made up for in heart. Gomez fights a brilliant fight for such a young guy under the bright lights for the first time.

    Gomez gets dropped by a flash/balance KD in rd 1, and apart from that mistake it is hard to find anything he did wrong. If I had one observation it would be that he neglected the body for most of the fight. His defense is what impressed me most. For all the talk of his offensive brilliance sometimes this gets lost.

    RBR
    1 Yum 10-8
    Gomez controls most of the rd, but got careless with his positioning and down he goes.

    2 Gomez 10-9
    Gomez on the offensive. Yum swinging big but missing wide on several attempts. Gomez making him look foolish on a couple.

    3 Yum (Yum 29-27)
    Closest rd of the fight. Gomez in control early. Yum stuns him briefly and drives Gomez backward for the only time in the fight...Gomez rallies during the final seconds... score even or for either guy but this is the only questionable rd of the fight.

    4 Gomez
    5 Gomez
    6 Gomez
    7 Gomez (Gomez 67-65)

    All wide and Gomez is driving Yum all over the ring in retreat mode.

    8 Gomez
    9 Gomez (Gomez 87-83)

    Gomez comfortably! He is coasting a little bit still in control and landing effectively. Yum is fatigued. The high guard defense he employed early is gone...hands at the waist not as a strategy, he just does not have much left...in terms of energy not heart.

    10 Gomez (Gomez 97-92)
    Gomez dominating...when Yum seems to briefly stun Gomez. Yum lands good but can’t muster the energy to sustain and string combinations together.

    11 Gomez (107-101)
    Gomez at his most fluid offensively dominating the round. He is making this look effortless. Yum eats punches in bunches and he shows some big heart. Not sure how he made it through the round.

    12 Gomez almost catlike in his patient and balanced assault. Yum hurt...but more tired than hurt. Gomez attacks and yum retreats but can’t defend. Gomez lands over and over...down goes Yum! And he cannot respond to the count!

    Much watch if you are looking at Gomez. Onesided but fun fight. Gomez in total control from rd 4 on.

    Yum will likely never have his own thread in this forum, but if you watch it you can’t help but to appreciate his heart and toughness. Clearly outskilled by a great margin, yet hung in their tough.
     
  9. George Crowcroft

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    Mayweather vs Corrales

    1. Mayweather 10-9
    2. Mayweather 20-18 (Mayweather 10-9)
    3. Mayweather 30-27 (Mayweather 10-9)
    4. Mayweather 40-36 (Mayweather 10-9)
    5. Mayweather 50-45 (Mayweather 10-9)
    6. Mayweather 60-54 (Mayweather 10-9)
    7. Mayweather 70-60 (Mayweather 10-6)
    8. Mayweather 80-69 (Mayweather 10-9)
    9. Mayweather 90-78 (Mayweather 10-9)
    10. TOS

    Thoroughly schooled a good fighter and it slowly turned into a beatdown. Mayweather showed the difference between a great fighter and a good one. He's somewhat underrated nowadays but Mayweather here was a beast and would give anyone in history issues.
     
  10. PhillyPhan69

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    Joe Brown vs Carlos Ortiz

    Carlos is the master! You name it Carlos does it. He wins the LW belt behind one of the most dominant jabs I have seen. He uses it to gauge and maintain or close the distance, and at other times as a pole driving browns head back again and again. Single/double/triple good variety so he is difficult to time or counter. His foot work, placement positioning and balance are fluid and he is always in a position to attack or step back. Long range, mid range, in close, try to clinch and hold him nothing seems to work for Brown. Brown makes it interesting for 6 rounds but there is not really a moment where you don’t sense that Carlos is in control.

    a masterpiece!

    I scored 1 even and 4 for Brown
    Everything else Ortiz

    5 pt must 74-62 Ortiz
     
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    Charley Scott vs Gaspar Ortega

    what a slugfest. They meet center ring and hammer away seconds into the fight...they don’t slow or stop till the final bell rings. Not much I can add to this one, just two tough guys swinging relentlessly.

    Among the toughest fights for me to score.
    1 Ortega
    2-3 Scott
    4 Ortega
    5-6 Scott
    7-8 Ortega
    9-10 Scott

    I got Scott 6-4 but with no confidence in my total or many rounds. You gotta watch this one
     
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    It's crazy he did this to an opponent of Brown's calibre, even if he was getting on a bit.
     
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    Hey EOTR brother! I usually post my cards in CST scorecard depot in the general forum. But I use to post them in here too. This one sounds excellent!
     
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    Ortega-Scott is one I need to check out. But here is another Charley Scott fight I recently watched. The 4th fight between Ralph Dupas and Scott.

    Ralph Dupas v Charley Scott IV

    I really enjoyed this fight. Phone booth warfare and tough to score. Rounds basis.

    Round 1: Even
    Round 2: Dupas
    Round 3: Even
    Round 4: Dupas
    Round 5: Scott
    Round 6: Even
    Round 7: Dupas
    Round 8: Dupas
    Round 9: Dupas
    Round 10: Dupas

    Total: 6-1-3 Dupas

    Very few pure boxers I have seen that can fight in the pocket and make you miss and pay. Willie Pep, Albert Davila, Wilfredo Benitez all come to mind and Ralph Dupas does it here. Don Dunphy said it right during the fight when he said, "Do you score for the big punch that offsets the several lighter punches? It's a matter of opinion." Scott seemed to be a bit of a hard-luck fighter, but a damn good one. Also like Dunphy said, that Scott wanted a long range fight so he could unload the heavy artillery, but Dupas stayed right in his chest. Official scores were 6-3-1, 6-4 and 5-5 with a supplementary use of scores to end up as 6-5 all for Dupas. Again, a really good fight.
     
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    I really need to check that one out too. Not a lot of Scott footage out there
     


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