the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In-Jin Chi vs Michael Brodie I

    It is fights like this that make boxing great and so much fun! Two gladiators lay it all on the line and go to war!

    so many ebbs and flows during this fight! Chi controls early, Brodie the middle and Chi finishes strong in the final rounds.

    great fight marred by controversy on a few levels.

    rd 1 an accidental headbutt leaves Chi hurt badly, yet Brodie is cut on top of his head. The controversy! Brodie is deducted a pt. (Without that he wins a SD...although I still have him down 3 pts without it).

    The final count- takes about 10 minutes while both fighters await the verdict! Chi wins a decision...30 minutes later they determine 1 card deducted 2 pts from Brodie, instead of 1....fight is now officially a draw.

    3 the judges- Brodie gave a gutty performance, but I can’t find any round to give him or call even...perhaps 12...but even then I have Chi winning. I need someone else to score this to see if you find it closer than I did.

    every round is closely contested except for a few...I only found 2 rounds 8/12 difficult to score and I gave 8 to Brodie and 12 to Chi but could see them even or for either guy without much trouble.

    RBR
    1 Chi 10-8 (Brodie deduction)
    2 Chi 10-8 (KD) (chi 20-16)
    3 Brodie
    4 Brodie (chi 38-36)
    5 Chi (Chi 48-45)
    6 Brodie
    7 Brodie
    8 Brodie (75-75)
    9 Chi
    10 Chi
    11 Chi
    12 Chi (chi 115-111)

    the biased British commentary even has Chi winning 115-112 (and they didn’t deduct a pt. In the first), so I don’t know how the judges saw it different.

    either way a salute to both guys for tremendous heart and one of the great boxing matches I have been fortunate enough to see!
     
  2. PhillyPhan69

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    Barry Michael vs Frank Ropis

    A war of attrition between 2 guys battling each other as well as the heat (40C/105F). Their opposing styles mesh to make a fun fight.

    Michael the smooth polished boxer with good movement and hand speed, scoring with his jab and accurate precise punching. Ropis with his stalking, crude slugging power, excellent hooks and uppercuts and hammering body shots. Michael fights great from a back to the ropes position, blocking taking a lot of punches on the arms and countering out. Gives the appearance of Ropis smothering him, but Michael is doing good for himself.

    around round 4 the fight heats up matching the temperature, and the intensity escalates making for some close back and forth rounds. Round 10 is well worth a watch.

    10 ends with Ropis staggering hurt and fatigued, and early 11 his corner throws in the towel!

    it was cool to see Lionel Rose during the prefight intros and I miss when boxing used to do this regularly.

    johnny Famechon is the ref, and while he is not totally horrible he is a much better boxer than a ref lol!

    RBR
    1 Michael
    2 Ropis
    3 Michael
    4 Michael
    5 Ropis
    6 Ropis
    7 Ropis
    8 Ropis
    9 Michael
    10 Michael

    Ropis corner throws in the towel early 11 ending the war of attrition
     
  3. PhillyPhan69

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    Adrian Hernandez vs Suriyan Satorn I

    What a slugfest, I discovered this on the Asian boxing website. Wished I could find the 2nd fight to see if it is as good. Satorn is his name on boxrec although he is on YouTube under his alias Kompayak Porpramook.

    From the start these guys are bombs away! Ebbs and flows and momentum shifts galore. Every time one guy seems to assert his will/style and gain control the other guy rallies and then surges to control....then back again multiple times in nearly every round! This is a war to watch!

    RBR
    1 Hernandez
    2 Hernandez
    3 Satorn
    4 Hernandez
    5 Satorn
    6 Satorn
    7 Hernandez
    8 Satorn
    9 Hernandez

    Hernandez by a point when he gets dropped by Satorn in the 10th ending this slugfest
     
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  4. PhillyPhan69

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    Naoto Takahashi vs Mitsuo Imazato II

    A fun short fight in the rematch for the Japan Bantamweight Championship!

    The KO is a brutal left hook that ends the action! Takahashi is so smooth and in control with a little showboat in him.
     
  5. PhillyPhan69

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    In-Jin Chi vs Michael Brodie II

    What a disappointing letdown after the excitement of fight 1. Brodie seemed unprepared right from the start. Unless his plan was to imitate and mount no offense and to be a punching bag on defense...mix in some clinches and headbutts along the way. Chi looked good for whatever that is worth....but how he could he not? I wouldn’t recommend watching this if you have missed it till today,

    1-6 Chi with 1/4 being 10-8 rounds.
     
  6. Drew101

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    I think Satorn scored the win over Hernandez in their first fight, no? That said, it's my choice for FOTY in 2011.
     
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  7. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    lol now I gotta go edit that post. Thanks....darn these chubby thumbs and my iPhone lol
     
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  8. scartissue

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    Just sat down and scored the first fight between champion Koichi Wajima and Miguel de Oliviera of Brazil. The clarity was very good. I recall this fight back in the day and there was a big clamor that it was a robbery. Although I had it for DeOliviera, it was a tough fight because Wajima was wild and unorthodox but never stopped throwing punches. He was like Gene Fullmer in the sense that he didn't care where it landed. Meanwhile, DeOliviera was compact, neat and precise but didn't throw anywhere near the volume of punches that Wajima did. So, tough fight to score on volume vs. clean. Scored on the 5 point must system.

    Round 1: 5-4 Wajima
    Round 2: 5-4 DeOliviera
    Round 3: 5-4 DeOliviera
    Round 4: 5-4 DeOliviera
    Round 5: 5-4 Wajima
    Round 6: 5-4 Wajima
    Round 7: 5-5- Even
    Round 8: 5-4 DeOliviera
    Round 9: 5-4 Wajima
    Round 10: 5-5- Even
    Round 11: 5-4 DeOliviera
    Round 12: 5-4 DeOliviera
    Round 13: 5-4 Wajima
    Round 14: 5-4 DeOliviera
    Round 15: 5-4 DeOliviera

    Total: 70-67 DeOliviera

    Actual scores by all three Japanese officials were 73-71 for Wajima and two scores of 71-71 for a draw. Like I said, tough one and I'm sure everyone may have some wildly divergent scores depending on how you see this unfold.
     
  9. Seamus

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    For sh*ts and giggles I did Ali-Frazier 2. 115-114 for Ali.

    Frazier certainly looked to be a very degraded version of what he was in the first fight. He wasn't getting off even when he got in position. Still, he had Ali very uncomfortable in many of the rounds after 5.
     
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  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Philly, just scored this one, the second fight between Ruben Olivares and Rafael Herrera. Ruben just didn't come alive until the last few rounds, like he was in la-la land. Anyways, scoring is on the California system of 1 point for a round, and extra point for a knockdown and none for an even round.

    Round 1: Herrera
    Round 2: Even
    Round 3: Herrera
    Round 4: Even
    Round 5: Herrera
    Round 6: Herrera
    Round 7: Herrera (scores a knockdown)
    Round 8: Olivares
    Round 9: Olivares
    Round 10: Olivares

    Total: 6-3 Herrera

    Actual scores were 6-4 (twice) for Herrera and 5-5 draw. Philly, I almost gave that 4th to Olivares like you did. Very close.
     
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    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Still on an Olivares kick, I saw that the Ruben Olivares v David Kotey 15 rounder is up on youtube. Saw it back in '75 and scored it a draw but don't remember my score. Sat down for it today to score and here is how I had it on the 10 point must system employed.

    Round 1: 10-8 Kotey (scores a knockdown)
    Round 2: 10-9 Kotey
    Round 3: 10-9 Olivares
    Round 4: 10-9 Kotey
    Round 5: 10-9 Olivares
    Round 6: 10-9 Olivares
    Round 7: 10-9 Kotey
    Round 8: 10-9 Kotey
    Round 9: 10-9 Kotey
    Round 10: 10-9 Olivares
    Round 11: 10-9 Olivares
    Round 12: 10-9 Olivares
    Round 13: 10-9 Kotey
    Round 14: 10-9 Olivares
    Round 15: 10-9 Olivares

    Total: 142-142 Draw

    Can you believe it? Again I had it a draw. But also like '75, I still would have called those 2 'slips' in the 2nd round and the 4th round as knockdowns for Kotey. I will give credit to Olivares for something though. Although having trained in every bar leading up to this fight, he certainly ended with a flourish which I felt Kotey did not. But it is what it is. Kotey wins a split with all three judges only one point apart.
     
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    Alfredo Escalera vs Kuniaki Shibata

    Shibata boxing very well here, looking speedy and skilled as always. However, the patient and measured Escalera eventually lays his trap and catches the immensely underrated Shibata with some huge shots in the second, which Shibata could not recover from. Shame, since he had a brilliant first, landing left hooks. However, his somewhat rushed approach here cost him. Shibata is probably the next fighter I'll be watching fairly in depth, as he has a real good skill set and speedy momentum.

    R1: Shibata
    R2: KO
     
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  13. PhillyPhan69

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    Yoko Gushiken vs Tito Abella

    Abella is outgunned in this fight, but he is a crafty dude with a fighters heart and laid it all on the line!

    Yoko is such a smart smooth fluid boxer and makes everything look so effortless. However Abella is going to make him work to earn this one.

    In round 1 Yoko is forcing the action and initiating exchanges. He moves in for a quick combo but Abella beats him to the punch with a quick counter and lets Yoko know he is there to fight. Yoko starts circling and bouncing letting/making Abella move forward to initiate the exchanges, then as soon as Abella steps will in he presses and engages knocking Abella down with 20 seconds left. I can’t tell you how many times (70% is my guess) Yoko drops guys with 10-30 seconds left in the round.

    round 3 Yoko engaging early, and drops Abella about a minute in...I am thinking this will be over soon...but Abella turns it on, catches Yoko off balance and out of position almost dropping him. Then he continues to finish strong.

    4 Yoko outgunning Abella at every turn, but still he fights on.

    5 Back and forth Yoko winning the round, but Abella standing tough. With 30 seconds left Yoko drops him again (you better fight all 3 minutes because Yoko ups the pressure in EVERY round during the final 30)

    6 Yoko controlling again, when Abella catches him with a solid left backing him up, Abella turns up the pressure over the final minute...probably a Yoko round? But I felt Abella earned an even round over the final minute.

    7 Yoko digging hooks to the body for the first time in the fight. Again another hook to the body hurts Abella Yoko pounces and lands several down goes Abella...but this time he ain’t getting up!

    fun fight to watch and Abella likely won’t ever have any threads in his honor on this forum.....but the dude earned my respect for the effort he gave here!

    Yoko takes every round (6th might be even), 1-3-5 by 10-8 scores. Worth the time to check this out if you have not seen it before
     
  14. George Crowcroft

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    Was there a round 2?
     
  15. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yes, I just didn’t give a synopsis of that round.

     
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