the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Rene Arredondo vs Tsuyoshi Hamada I & II

Stumbled across these fights by accident looking for something else, sometimes my lack of focus helps me stumble upon good fights, and while not great this was pretty good.

first fight Hamada is all over Arredondo never letting him use his height or reach to get off or even into the fight. Just pressure non stop, with 10 to go in the first he pins Arredondo to the corner, and lands big over the final 5 seconds dropping Arredondo at the bell. Arredondo is out cold! Round 1 KO

fight 2 a year later. Arredondo uses his reach to jab and fight at midrange while Hamada crouches low to negate some of the impact, and rush inside where he is the dominant infighter. Arredondo takes the first 2 rounds narrowly and opens a nasty cut over the right eye of Hamada. 3-4 look more like the first fight Arredondo can’t get the space to operate from the distance he would like and Hamada controls these 2 rounds. 5 Arredondo moving more takes a close back and forth round. 6 Hamada takes him to the corner, but Arredondo slips out and hammers away with 5/6 shots and Cortez stops it. Not sure if he thought Hamada was in more trouble than I did, or if he stopped it in regards to the cut eye?

decent fights but not great.

 

Sot Chitalada vs Hideaki Kamishiro


I love watching Chitalada in his laboratory dissecting his opponents every move, studying, analyzing, evaluating every move to use it against you. Here he seemlessly switches from a moving counter puncher into a boxer puncher stalking his prey over the final 5 rounds. At his best he is so difficult to get a read on with his punch variety. In one sequence he leads with a jab and right hook to the body, into a jab and right uppercut, a triple jab, followed by 3 single jabs, 3 jab feints into a right to the body, a lead right. Hideaki probes back and Chitalada side steps, leans back as Hideaki extends and steps into to quick short straight compact rights snapping Hideaki’s head back. Seems like he is not punching with power but his perfect balance and positioning shows they do.

if you want to see a master systematically break down a solid and game contender this is a good place to go.

fight gets stopped with Chitalada up 70-63, prior to round 8. Not sure if it was stopped on cuts or if Hideaki and his corner had seen enough?

 

Carmen Basilio vs Gaspar Ortega


It is impossible for either of these guys to be involved in a boring fight. And while not the pier 6 brawl I was hoping for it was a hard hitting chess match throughout, with both guys trying to impose their will and skill.

I think Basilio gets a bad rap or stereotyped as a crude brawler/slugger and while he can be solid in that role he has much more skill than he seems to get credited for. A strong educated jab, and his right always seems to be back high to defend, block or counter. He shows decent upper body movement defensively especially in infighting sequences. His foot placement always seems to allow him to get leverage for consistent heavy blows while not being a pure power puncher. And Ortega what can I say he is always game and willing to mix it up and exchange with anyone.

Two things detracted from this fight with the first being no audio feed. The 2nd was a combination of grainy b/w footage with a solo stationary camera that did not always give a good vantage point. This makes/made scoring difficult for me and I felt like I was scoring on generalship and aggression, as I couldn’t always see if it was effective aggression or if clean punches were indeed landed. So while my card reflects the judges cards, I don’t have confidence in my rbr card.

1 Basilio
2 Basilio
3 Ortega
4 Ortega
5 Basilio
6 Basilio
7 Ortega
8 Basilio
9 Basilio
10 Ortega
6-4 Basilio (judges were 6-4 x’s 2 and 5-4-1)

but I felt 2-3-4 & 8-9-10 were close enough from my view to be even or scored opposite. Turns out I scored 3 for each guy so I am comfortable with the result but not necessarily each round if you know what I mean?

 

Michael Katsidis vs Czar Amonsot

Ahhhh, now that was a fight and one well worth watching.

Katsidis opens strong bringing relentless pressure, and drops Amonsot in round 2, but by the end of the round Katsidis face looks bloody and bruised. Rounds 3-6 are brutal 2 way action with Katsidis face looking worse each round. 7-8 Amonsot working more behind his jab, and Katsidis trying to get inside. 9-10 Katsidis digs deep swarming Amonsot and dropping him again in 10. Listening to Katsidis corner with the ref following 10 is comical. Katsidis has 2 cuts on his left eye, one from a punch and one from a butt, and another below his right eye. They ask Nader if it’s stopped on cuts will it go to the cards, Nady resounds it it’s from this cut or this cut no, if it’s from the higher cut yes. Katsidis smartly bides his time during 11-12, and Amonsot does not seem to heave the urgency necessary to press the action leads to an anti climax and a wasted opportunity perhaps.

all in all, as fun of a fight to watch as I have seen in quite some time!

1 Katsidis
2 Katsidis 10-8
3 Katsidis (Katsidis 30-26)
4 Amonsot
5 Amonsot (Katsidis 48-46)
6 Katsidis (Katsidis 58-55)
7 Amonsot
8 Amonsot (Katsidis 76-75)
9 Katsidis
10 Katsidis 10-8 (Katsidis 96-92)
11 Amonsot
12 Amonsot

Katsidis 114-112 on my card (116-110/115-111/114-112 official cards) I though rounds 3/5/6 could be scored either way so all of the cards seem pretty spot on!

check this one out if you have not seen it....but HBO commentary sucks!

 

Philly, a couple of weeks back I watched this one and was truly disappointed for the reasons you mentioned. A very poor quality film and no audio. I guess it shows the bit of Neanderthal in me because I really enjoy the 'thump' from every punch and I looked on with disinterest. I did have a card, but tossed it with disgust as I could only call it 'iffy' with what I missed in the grainy film with no sound. I scored it a very shaky 6-2-2 for Basilio, but I couldn't tell you what rounds belonged to who. Sorry, man.

 

Masao Oba v Chartchai Chionoi

Good fight.

Chionoi battered Oba in the first and put him down. Oba took a couple of rounds to get his feet under him after that disastrous start and started to edge the rounds from the 4th onwards but it was still a pretty even fight.

The 8th was the turning point as Oba hurt Chionoi for the first time and controlled the fight from that point on, including a big 11th round where he had Chartchai stuck in the corner at the end of the round. Even then, I wasn’t expecting such a furious and abrupt finish to the fight with Oba dishing out unrelenting punishment to Chionoi throughout the 12th round until the referee stepped in.

Tragic that this was Oba’s last ever fight.

 

I had it 51-47 for Ohba after 11 completed rounds. Very good fight.

 

Yes, that sounds right to me. With the knockdown in the first I had it about even after 7, then Oba took over.

 

Ramsey Luna vs René Luna (no relation)

Wow! What a gem this fight was!

18 y/o high school student Ramsey makes his pro debut vs René Luna a 20 y/o also making his pro debut. Ramsey had scored a 3 rd. Decision over René a year earlier in the amateurs.

the punch stats in this 4 rounder are off the charts with over 750 punches in the 4 rounds.

the whole fight is fun, but especially round 1. René has support from Orlando Canizales who gets interviewed between rounds 2-3 was an added surprise.

ramsey takes the decision on my card and the judges.

I scored 2 even with 1/3/4 all for Ramsey for a 40-36 decision judges had it 40-35 and 39-36 x’s 2.

check this one out

 

I watched Ken norton vs Muhammad ali 3 tonight ...I had it 9 rounds to 6 with 1 even in Norton's favor I felt he hurt ali several times and just got no credit for his body attack ..many shots went totally uncredited...ali won segments of the fight when he would engage he just didnt have it to do it the full 15...where Norton never seemed to get tired

 

A couple of fights I've had on my agenda for some time that I regarded as 'must see', which I watched today. The first is Emile Griffith v Isaac Logart from MSG. Scoring on NY's round basis.

Round 1: Griffith
Round 2: Griffith
Round 3: Griffith
Round 4: Logart
Round 5: Griffith
Round 6: Even
Round 7: Even
Round 8: Logart
Round 9: Griffith
Round 10: Griffith

Total: 6-2-2 Griffith

First of all, this was a very hot Griffith in '61 and a past his best Logart. Logart's prime would've been ca. '55-'57, but he had a ton of experience to give Griff a hard time, which he did. When they fought on the outside is was beauty. Griffith had a busy jab followed by a sweet straight right. Logart on the other hand, had one very subtle and sneaky left hook which he caught Griffith with many times coming in. But the fight was mired in what some may call infighting, but in this instance, bordered on mauling. So that took a bit of the edge off it for me. still, I enjoyed the fight with two talented practioners in there. Incidentally, actual scores were 5-3-2 and 7-3 for Griffith and a 5-5 draw.

 

The second bout which has been bothering me for awhile to watch was the second fight between Curtis Parker and Mustafa Hamsho. I was very disappointed with this back in the day because Parker, whom I felt was robbed blind in their first encounter, didn't fight up to his standards in this one and I agreed with the decision for Hamsho. Now move on some 30 plus years and it's time to watch it again. I know New Jersey scored on the rounds basis, but the commentators mentioned something I never heard of, saying in NJ if the round is even they go to supplemental scoring. I don't know if they got that wrong and meant the supplemental scoring if the scorecard is even, but it was mentioned twice during the fight. Still, here is how I had it.

Round 1: Parker
Round 2: Hamsho
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Hamsho
Round 5: Parker
Round 6: Hamsho (a point is deducted somewhere from Hamsho for butting)
Round 7: Hamsho
Round 8: Even (a point is deducted somewhere from Parker for some infraction that I'm not sure of)
Round 9: Hamsho
Round 10: Parker

Total: 5-3-2 for Hamsho (I have no idea where to take the points from)

First of all, this was one rough fight. No choir boys here. Years ago when a point was taken from a fighter for an infraction on the rounds basis, they would simply take the round from one fighter and give it to the other. Really dumb when you think of it. Anyway, wild fight. Well worth watching. Actual scores were 5-3-2 and 5-2-3 for Hamsho and a 5-5 draw. When Parker was throwing leather he dominated but the minute he stopped Hamsho was banging him with hard jabs and body shots. The decision was good IMO.

 

cool write up! I have this on tap for next week hopefully. Will post mine if I get the chance to watch it,

 

Philly, it pained me to score against Parker, as he had really been robbed in their first fight, and because I was such of fan of Parkers. But I gotta call them the way I see them. Did you get a chance to see Parker live back in the day?

 

3 x’s that I recall! Twice in Philly Watching him beat Willie Warren and I was devastated when he beat Willie Monroe, although TBF Monroe was 3 years past it by that point.

and once in AC when he stopped David Love! I never liked Love simply because he had beat Monroe 3 years earlier.

wished I had gotten to see the Hamsho and Scypion fights. I always told my Pop Pop he would have won if we had been there lol!