the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Dec 20, 2006
    Carl Froch vs Mikkel Kessler I

    There may be something rotten in Denmark...but not on this night! I feel the judges got the decision correct! I don’t feel that Kessler won this as much as I feel like Froch gave it away. Rounds 1-3 and 6-8 he just was not busy enough in my mind. I also don’t see how this made Boxing News top 100 (#96) best fights ever? I did however find it more exciting when it happened than on a rewatch and rescore so maybe live made it seem better? I just didn’t feel like either guy did great but Kessler forced the action and landed to me the better shots.

    rounds 1-3 Both guys have their moments but Froch (who said he needed to start fast?) just was not busy enough. I feel like Kessler opened a nice lead and didn’t even have to do much to get it.
    Rounds 4-5 Froch hits a groove and controls the action taking 2 comfortable rounds. Perhaps giving the illusion that he is winning the fight? But on the 10 pt must I have him behind even though he won his rounds wider.
    Rounds 6-8, Kessler again forced the action, both guys doing good work with the jab but Kesslers is sharp and solid and Froch’s is more of a flicking jab. Kessler has tighter defense while Froch is showboating keeping hands low trusting his reflexes which was dumb IMO! 7-8 Kessler turns it up and is in control and is up 6-2 on my card.
    9-12 back an forth this is finally turning into a fight and the final 2 rounds are full of action! Not a great fight in my mind but a pretty solid finish.

    1-3 Kessler (Kessler 30-27)
    4-5 Froch (Kessler (48-47)
    6-8 Kessler (Kessler 78-74)
    9 Froch
    10 Kessler
    11 Froch
    12 Kessler (Kessler 116-112)
    Kessler 116-112 or 8 rounds to 4. Again I feel like this fight was there for Froch to take but he tried to showboat and was not busy enough. To me he lost this in rounds 1-3 & 6 which were all rounds he could have had on my card if he had just done a little more.

    I don’t see a case for Froch winning and think he would be fortunate to get a draw! I don’t see the controversy over this one. My memory says he did much better the 2nd time, and need to score that one in a couple of weeks when I get done my current list. Go ahead and watch this if you have not seen it, I just don’t find it as exciting as many seem to.
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  2. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Dec 20, 2006
    Frank Fletcher vs James Green

    Ahhhhh, back when men were men and a fight was a fight! This is fun! Green reminds me of a MW Aaron Pryor! Non stop punching, gets great leverage and is a blast to watch! The Philly boy Fletcher, if Pachecho was correct was told not to engage heavily for 3 rounds? And Green would wear himself out. If it was a plan it was a good one, because it felt to me like he couldn’t get off like he normally did because Green gave him very little room to operate. Rounds 2-3 are still close and I could see the 3rd going to Frank or even. Rounds 4-5 Frank engages and is the exchanges are fast and furious with both guys throwing and eating heavy shots. But Frank is getting the momentum and looks to be taking over. In 6 it is all Frank and the fight could be stopped 20 seconds in, but it goes on for a minute and a half. Not sure if green threw a single punch this round? Frank is just unloading to the ref waves it off! Great 6 rounds of real fighting!

    1-3 Green
    4-5 Fletcher
    5 pt must system Frank trailing 23-22 on my card at time of stoppage. Judges have Frank up 23-22 w/3rd judge 23-23. This is well worth the time to watch!
  3. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Dec 20, 2006
    Salvador Sanchez vs. Azumah Nelson

    Is boxing a battle, a sporting contest, an art or a science? The answer is YES after watched this fight!

    Ahhhhh this was a special night! This was the night Azumah became my favorite non-Philly fighter. I had never heard of him before and figured it would be an easy night for Sanchez. But by round 13 I was on the edge of my seat thinking Nelson was on the verge on stopping Sanchez, but Sal was just soooooo gooooood!!!

    Sanchez looks like he is having difficulty gauging the speed and power of Nelson early. Around 6 Sanchez turns it on gets his timing and accuracy down and seized control dropping Nelson in the 7th. The fight is hotly contested at a high skill level, part slugfest, part hard hitting chess match, part strategic and tactical masterpiece!
    Nelson seized control late and rocks Sanchez in the 13th and I am on the edge of my seat thinking an upset is about to happen....not just on fight night, but every time I watch this! But Sanchez is so good, so cool so composed so calculating, a brilliant fighter. Nelson looks dead with rubbery legs in late 14-15 and still he throws, Sanchez grinds him down and drops him in the final round, followed by a barrage and the ref waves it off! Great fight!

    I am one of the few it seems that believes that Nelson was better than Sanchez and had he had another year (Sadly, Sal too) and 2-3 more fights under his belt he would have beaten Sanchez and/or taken a rematch. Sadly we will never know!

    This is my 2nd favorite fight of all time and I never get tired of watching it!

    1 Nelson
    2 Even
    3 Sanchez
    4 Nelson
    5 Nelson
    6 Sanchez
    7 Sanchez 10-8
    8 Sanchez
    9 Sanchez
    10 Nelson
    11 Nelson
    12 Nelson
    13 Nelson
    14 Sanchez
    133-133 on my card at time of stoppage!
    2 judges have Sal up 135-131 and 134-131, the 3rd has Nelson up 133-132. Nelson by a point or Sal by 3-4 are all realistic cards, the rounds are that close with Nelson being slightly busier and Sal slightly harder hitting. Sals punches certainly had more impact than Nelson so I guess it is what you are looking at and valuing. Either way Sal would have won a UD on my card and all 3 judges had it not ended 1:47 to go.

    Must watch fight if you have not seen it!
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  4. rorschach51

    rorschach51 A Legend & A Gentleman Full Member

    Feb 18, 2012
    Meldrick Taylor vs Aaron Davis

    Round 1: 10-9 Taylor
    Round 2: 9-9 (point deduction from Taylor for low blows, Mercante Sr. at it again)
    Round 3: 10-9 Taylor
    Round 4: 10-9 Taylor
    Round 5: 10-9 Davis
    Round 6: 10-9 Taylor
    Round 7: 10-9 Taylor
    Round 8: 10-9 Taylor
    Round 9: 10-9 Taylor
    Round 10: 10-9 Taylor
    Round 11: 10-9 Taylor
    Round 12: 10-9 Davis

    My Score: (117-110 Taylor) Same as Harold.

    Last edited: Dec 1, 2019
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  5. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Dec 20, 2006
    Payao Poontarat vs. Jiro Watanabe I

    I would call this a very good fun fight, but just shy of a great exciting fight. It is not the robbery I have been led to believe nor is it a slugfest or even hard hitting chess match that I have heard it called. Rather I found it highly technical and the defensive boxing superb. I would say this fight needs to be watched and scored closely. Lots of missed punches, lots of dodging/ducking, partially blocked and deflected punches. I think the judges cards in total reflect this fight. I saw 6 close rounds, if I give 2 to Poontarat I would have him winning like the one judge if I gave 1-2 close rounds to Watanabe I would have the other 2 judges....instead I fell in the middle.

    1 watanabe
    2 Poontarat
    3 Watanabe
    4 Poontarat
    5 Poontarat
    6 Poontarat
    7 Watanabe
    8 Poontarat
    9 Watanabe
    10 Watanabe
    11 Watanabe
    12 Watanabe

    115-113 Watanabe
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  6. rorschach51

    rorschach51 A Legend & A Gentleman Full Member

    Feb 18, 2012
    Jose Luis Lopez vs Aaron Davis

    Round 1: 10-9 Davis
    Round 2: 10-9 Lopez
    Round 3: 10-9 Davis
    Round 4: 10-9 Lopez
    Round 5: 10-9 Lopez
    Round 6: 10-9 Lopez
    Round 7: 10-9 Lopez
    Round 8: 10-9 Lopez
    Round 9: 10-9 Davis
    Round 10: 10-9 Davis

    My Score: (96-94 Lopez)

    What a fantastic fight! I had forgotten just how good this fight was. Best Aaron Davis performance I've ever seen, each fighter clearly won the rounds they won. So though the final score is close, the winner is clearly Jose Luis Lopez imo.
  7. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Philly, I checked this one out not too long ago. Here we go.

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 PP
    Round 3: 10-9 JW
    Round 4: 10-9 PP
    Round 5: 10-9 PP
    Round 6: 10-9 PP
    Round 7: 10-10 Even
    Round 8: 10-9 JW
    Round 9: 10-9 JW
    Round 10: 10-10 Even
    Round 11: 10-9 JW
    Round 12: 10-9 JW

    Total: 116-115 Watanabe

    I had it a bit closer than you - not counting some of my even rounds we only differed really on the 8th - but a whole lot of these rounds were tissue paper thin between the two combatants. PP was the heavier hitter and Watanabe was a sharper boxer, but he would go into a lull at times. Very close.
  8. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Dec 20, 2006
    Vassiliy Jirov vs. James Toney

    Perhaps the greatest Cruiserweight fight ever (although I prefer Holyfield Qawi). Ledderman and the commentary seemed to award rounds to Jirov based upon aggression and punch volume rather than how many and how well they landed.

    Jirov fought a spirited fight, and I wished he had a better corner. The man throws 100+ punches to come back to the corner and be told he needed to be busier. The busier he got, the more sharp counters James exploded with. I am not a Toney fan but this may be one of the best counterpunching displays I recall.

    1 Jirov
    2 Jirov
    3 Toney
    4 Jirov
    5 Toney
    6 Toney
    7 Toney
    8 Jirov 9-9 ( point deducted for low blow)
    9 Toney
    10 Toney
    11 Toney
    12 Toney 10-8

    Toney 116-110 on my card.
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  9. rorschach51

    rorschach51 A Legend & A Gentleman Full Member

    Feb 18, 2012
    Devon Alexander vs Aaron Martinez

    Round 1: 10-9 Alexander
    Round 2: 10-9 Alexander
    Round 3: 10-9 Martinez
    Round 4: 10-9 Alexander (close)
    Round 5: 10-9 Martinez
    Round 6: 10-9 Martinez
    Round 7: 10-9 Martinez
    Round 8: 10-9 Martinez
    Round 9: 10-9 Alexander
    Round 10: 10-9 Martinez

    My Score: (96-94 Martinez)

  10. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Dec 20, 2006
    Joe Frazier vs. Jerry Quarry I

    Now if Heavyweight boxing looked like this, I just might watch them more often! Quarry and Frazier waste no time going at it. Toe to toe, but gradually Joe grinds and wears him down. Quarry gets cut and eventual the Fight is stopped and Quarry gets to avoid being battered.

    this is odd, because I had always heard that Joe had his right arm amputated and that he had a great career despite being a one armed fighter...I say odd because it almost seemed like he had a nasty right uppercut that he mixed in along with some solid rights to the body...hmmmm? Never mind I must have imagined it. Keep spinning the narrative of regurgitated drivel if you feel like. Who cares if it is true, if you say it often enough people might just believe it lol!

    1 Quarry
    2-7 Frazier
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  11. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Feb 17, 2008
    The irony is the right hand of Smokin Joe was or is the most accurate punch of any heavyweight. He just did not miss. The caveat is they were like 90% to the body.

    And once the Ali era had started scoring of fights gives absolute minimal effectiveness to body punching. But they sure do love a shoe shiner that lands like 2 out of every 5 flurries.
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  12. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

    Jul 25, 2015
    Ray Mancini VS Duk Koo Kim
    The Legendary Tragedy

    Mancini Kim
    R1: 9 - 10
    (Even till last 20 seconds)
    R2: 10 - 9
    (Mancini very effective inside. War)
    R3: 10 - 9
    (War. Mancini right body uppercut making the difference)
    R4: 9 - 10
    (Very close. Slower round)
    R5: 10 - 9
    (Mancini a bit crisper. Ridiculous pace)
    R6: 10 - 10
    (Legendary. Some brilliant inside fighting)
    R7: 10 - 9
    (Mancini more compact)
    R8: 9 - 10
    (Kim finesse and late flurry wins the round)
    R9: 9 - 10
    (Kim forcing the issue and bossing the round)
    R10: 10 - 8 (Kim had a point deducted as mentioned by Clancy)
    (More legendary exchanges)
    R11: 10 - 9
    (Kim fighting purely on fire now)
    R12: 10 - 9
    (Kim weak but never gives up)
    R13: 9 - 10
    (Kim's last stand)
    R14: KO, and later tragedy

    Score: 125 MANCINI - 122 KIM

    • Passion. Pure passion.
    • Kim burnt his fire fighting and turned to white ash. Ray was never the same.
    • Easily one of boxing's greatest wars. Far superior to Gatti - Ward.
    • Insane fitness and passion. Show me a fitter athlete than these two.
    • I've watched this a lot of times, but never scored it until today.
    • "Either he dies or I die." - Duk Koo Kim
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  13. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

    Jul 25, 2015
    Zolani Tete VS Johnriel Casimero

    Tete Casimero

    R1: 9 - 10
    (feel out round)
    R2: 10 - 9
    (You can see Casimero planning something)
    R3: KO
    (Massive shot! Perfectly timed with great set up)

    • Casimero spends rounds setting up one shot, and absolutely detroys Tete!
    • Casimero got the aura of a dangerous man. Looks like a honey badger lol.
    • Been some great boxing this week. First Besputin now this.
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  14. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Dec 20, 2006
    Marvin Hagler vs. John Mugabi

    It’s been years since I rewatched this and my memory made it a very close fight....but I didn’t recall it being as one sided as I do now. Hagler fought brilliant. He gives away a close first fighting orthodox but is not in real danger at any point. By 2 he is back to southpaw and seems to have gauged mugabis power speed skill, and begins boxing jabbing and circling but his jab is controlling the action and setting everything Hagler does. Hagler foot work and positioning is clear, as he consistently maintains the inside foot. By 6 Mugabi has less sting and snap on his punches and Hagler tees off. Amazing guts by mugabi just to survive the round. Hagler gets deservedly docked a point in 7 for repeated low blows. Not deadly like Jirov vs Toney but certainly fair after 2 warnings. Mugabi is tough and I guess if you give him all the close rounds 1-2-4-9 he could lose by just 2 points like 1 of the judges, I just felt like Hagler was in complete control throughout! Definitely not as closely contested as I remember and not the slugfest I recall? More of a hard hitting chess match where Hagler is playing chess and Mugabi checkers.

    1 Mugabi (close)
    2 Hagler (close)
    3 Hagler
    4 Even
    5 Hagler
    6 Hagler
    7 Hagler 9-9
    8 Hagler
    9 Hagler (close)
    10 Hagler
    Hagler- 98-92 on mine
    2 judges 97-94 3rd judge 96-95

    feel free to disagree as I even disagreed with my memory. On rewatch I saw/felt like it was almost all Hagler.
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  15. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Apr 27, 2005
    Careful mate Hagler was supposed to be shot!!!