the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Has anyone here checked out the Marco Antonio Barrera v Juan Manuel Marquez fight? OMG! Great fight but what a toughie to score. I always said my toughest was the Antonio Cervantes v Wilfredo Benitez 15 rounder due to subtle shifts with those two artists. But this was a slam-bang war that was equally frustrating, maybe moreso. Get ready for a head scratcher.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Barrera
Round 3: 10-9 Marquez
Round 4: 10-9 Marquez
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Barrera
Round 7: 10-8 Marquez (Marquez had a great round, but right at the end was dropped by a smoking right hand and then really purposely nailed Marquez on the canvas - Jay Nady amazingly ruled the KD a slip and then quite rightly docks Barrera a point)
Round 8: 10-9 Barrera
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Marquez
Round 11: 10-9 Marquez
Round 12: 10-10 Even

Total: 117-114 Marquez

Arghhh! Tissue paper-close rounds made this war infuriating to score. Actual scores were 118-109 and 116-111 (twice) all for Marquez does not reflect how tight this fight was. I hated to have so many evens, but this was incredibly tight. Barrera's counters were great but Marquez won it for me on aggression. But to tell you the truth, I can see someone scoring this for Barrera too. A word to the wise if watching, the HBO team are real Barrera cheerleaders. So, a grain of salt when listening.

 

How about Pintor/Zarate or Gavalin/Graham? Both very very hard to score imo.

 

Manny Pacquiao vs Antonio Margarito

Rd. Pac : Marg (

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1. 10 : 9
2. 10 : 9
3. 10 : 9
4. 10 : 8
5. 10 : 9
6. 10 : 9
7. 10 : 9
8. 10 : 9
9. 10 : 9
10. 10 : 9
11. 10 : 9
12. 10 : 9 (

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Pacquiao wins a UD.

Round by Round

Jesus **** this was bad. Look at his eye!
The guy was 17lbs lighter on fight night and shut him out, broke his face and won his 8th title.

Pacquiao was an excellent fighter, obviously. But he's still underrated imo. In this fight he showed he could box well, very good lineal and lateral footwork, excellent counter punching ability and good use of the ropes. His defence is also solid and undersold, he had good head-movement and blocks with his elbows and gloves.

 

Vasyl Lomachenko vs Gamalier Rodriguez

Round 1: 10-9 Rodriguez
Round 2: 10-9 Lomachenko
Round 3: 10-9 Lomachenko
Round 4: 10-9 Lomachenko
Round 5: 10-8 Lomachenko
Round 6: 10-9 Lomachenko
Round 7: 10-8 Lomachenko
Round 8: 10-8 Lomachenko
Round 9: KO

My Score: (79-70 Lomachenko) ATOS

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Kuniaki Shibata vs Raul Cruz

Shibata - Cruz

R1: KO!

An explosive blitzkrieg after observing Crux for 2 odd minutes. Brilliant movement and explosive punching as always from Shibata. What a 1 hitter-quitter at the end! Shibata rising up my favorites list; what a brilliant and aesthetic style.

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Jean Pascal vs Badou Jack

Round 1: 10-9 Pascal
Round 2: 10-9 Pascal
Round 3: 10-9 Pascal
Round 4: 10-8 Pascal
Round 5: 10-9 Pascal
Round 6: 10-9 Jack
Round 7: 10-9 Pascal
Round 8: 10-9 Jack
Round 9: 10-9 Jack
Round 10: 10-9 Pascal (close)
Round 11: 10-9 Jack
Round 12: 10-8 Jack

My Score: (114-112 Pascal)

Great fun fight where I felt the right man won. This certainly was not a bad decision like Jack/TMT fans would have you believe. I like Badou Jack too, but the official winner was more than fair. You can't take a title off the seated champion by giving away the first half of the fight unless you get the stoppage.

 

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Seriously, Marvin Johnson is my second favourite fighter of all time. Non stop action, a great bloke, southpaw LHW and an air of "oh **** that power punch might come back to haunt him. Oh there's another one." about him that makes watching fights I've seen loads electric. Marvin the Midget was a baddddd man! The Little Light Heavy took the fight to his huge foe and beat him bad for trying to take his title. The Supposed Super-Middleweight Southpaw saw his shot and slaughtered JME.

Anyways, at least the atrocious alteration is over, alas on to the ****ing fight...

Veteran Marvin Johnson takes on hard hitting for his WBA title, and would be the only time he ever defended his title, God knows he wasn't letting it go. In a 13 round classic, there were a few rounds incomplete so I didn't score it, but the general patterns I saw whilst attempting to was that the key factor to winning rounds was between Johnson's workrate and Emebe's counters.

Notes - Johnson has an underrated, eratic defence. Emebe was a tough mutha****er. Johnson had a massive heart fought someone who supposedly didn't give 2 shits about boxing.

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Definitely worth a watch!

 

Tyson Fury vs Christian Hammer

Round 1: 10-9 Fury
Round 2: 10-9 Fury
Round 3: 10-9 Fury
Round 4: 10-9 Fury
Round 5: 10-8 Fury
Round 6: 10-9 Fury
Round 7: 10-9 Fury
Round 8: 10-9 Fury RTD

My Score: (80-71 Fury) ATOS

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Giovanni De Carolis vs. Tyron Zeuge I

Round 1: 10-9 Zeuge
Round 2: 10-9 De Carolis (close)
Round 3: 10-9 De Carolis
Round 4: 10-9 Zeuge (close)
Round 5: 10-9 Zeuge (close)
Round 6: 10-9 De Carolis
Round 7: 10-9 De Carolis
Round 8: 10-9 De Carolis
Round 9: 10-9 Zeuge
Round 10: 10-9 De Carolis
Round 11: 10-9 De Carolis
Round 12: 10-9 Zeuge

My Score: (115-113 De Carolis)


Official Scores: (114-114 x 2) (115-114 Zeuge) Majority Draw

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Jack Catterall vs Tom Stalker

Round 1: 10-8 Catterall
Round 2: 10-8 Catterall
Round 3: 10-9 Catterall
Round 4: 10-9 Catterall
Round 5: 10-9 Stalker
Round 6: 10-9 Catterall
Round 7: 10-9 Catterall (close)
Round 8: TKO

My Score: (69-62 Catterall) ATOS

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Stuart Hall vs. Vusi Malinga

Round 1: 10-9 Hall (close)
Round 2: 10-9 Hall
Round 3: 10-8 Hall (knockdown)
Round 4: 10-9 Hall
Round 5: 10-9 Hall (close)
Round 6: 10-9 Malinga
Round 7: 10-9 Malinga
Round 8: 10-9 Hall (close)
Round 9: 10-9 Malinga
Round 10: 10-9 Malinga (close)
Round 11: 10-9 Malinga (close)
Round 12: 10-9 Hall (big)

My Score: (115-112 Hall) 116-111 Hall would be fine as well.

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Official Scores: (117-110 x 2 Hall) (116-111 Hall)

What a career defining performance for Stuey Hall! A man that didn't start the pro game until the age of 28, taking the hard road fighting Britain's best Bantam's & Super Bantam's on the way up. At the age of 34 pulls a amazing fight out of himself like that against a tough opponent to win the World Bantamweight Championship. I get goosebumps everytime I watch it.

 

Stuart Hall is a ****ing legend. He reminds me of an old piece of bark. My dad loved him lol. Glad to see he still gets his dues.

 

George Foreman vs Shannon Briggs

Round 1: 10-9 Briggs
Round 2: 10-9 Foreman
Round 3: 10-9 Foreman
Round 4: 10-9 Foreman
Round 5: 10-9 Foreman
Round 6: 10-9 Briggs
Round 7: 10-9 Briggs
Round 8: 10-9 Foreman
Round 9: 10-9 Foreman
Round 10: 10-9 Briggs
Round 11: 10-9 Foreman
Round 12: 10-9 Foreman

My Score: (116-112 Foreman)

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Official Scores: (117-113 Briggs) (116-112 Briggs) (114-114 Draw)

How the judges got this one so wrong I'll never know. Literally the only people in the world that saw this as a close fight or a Briggs victory.

 

Jose Luis Ramirez vs. Pernell Whitaker I


This is among my least enjoyable fights to watch alongside of Camacho-Mancini and Hopkins-RJJ I! Memory had Whitaker winning in my mind, a rewatch is going to bring insults my way but I am cool with that. A very close fight with 5 debatable rounds for me but I feel Ramirez edged it. Ramirez was the aggressor but clearly not always effective aggression. Pea very seldom looking to exchange is barely ever the aggressor...what do you like more 3-4 flicking jabs thrown on the retreat or 3-4 misses followed by a cleaner hit. Pea likely landed quite a bit more but there was so little substance on them that it didn’t edge the close rounds for me thus time. I do think his corner has a better feel for the fight than the commentary (although Mancini did allude to the fact that judges won’t be impressed by going backwards and not willing to exchange more) or majority of fans. His corner tells him at the end of 10 this is a close fight you need these last 2 rounds...again after 11 they tell him the same thing...Pea boxes brilliantly for the most part but his reluctance allowed Ramirez to land better for my money.

RBR
1 Whitaker
2 Whitaker
3 Ramirez
4 Whitaker
5 Ramirez
6 Ramirez
7 Ramirez
8 Ramirez
9 Ramirez
10 Ramirez
11 Ramirez
12 Whitaker
116-112 Ramirez

I did mark 3/5/7/9/11/12 all close swing rounds I could see 117-111 Ramirez all the way to 117-111 Whitaker and not think they were poor cards. Did you like Whitaker’s superior boxing, defense and flicking jab or Ramirez and his aggression and cleaner punching? I am in the minority but I am cool with that!