the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Watched this fight again. Much thanks to Lora, this must have been a pain to finally get uploaded. This fight goes in to my short list of technical classics with Leonard-Benitez, Kalambay-McCallum, and a few others. I really enjoyed it and there was plenty of action too. I scored it 114-112 for Kalambay. It's a difficult fight to score, so not the worst decision I've ever seen, but I thought Kalambay got it. Loved Kalule's periods of effective aggression in the pocket and Kalambay sliding right against the southpaw. Excellent fight. Loved the 80's round card girls too.

 

Yes, it's well worth watching, great performance by Castillo. I've looked about for the third fight myself with no luck. From what I've read this one was a great show from Olivares.

 

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Morales - McCullough

Morales throwing everything at the indestructablke Irishmen.

Reactions at the end were priceless. Clear win for Morales but McCullough strutting 'I'm the man, nobody can knock me out'. While Morales looks seriously pissed that he can't continue his Gomez style KO streak. Vintage Foreman/Merchant analysis

 

Armando Muniz TKO 7 over Ernie Lopez.

First of all thankyou to The GreatA for uploading it.

Great example of a young pup mowing down an contender nearing the end of his career. In reality there was only like 3 years in age between them actually, Mando wasnt exactly young and Ernie wasnt even 30 yet plus had recently fought Napoles again for the title but Lopez had been fighting nearly a decade by that stage and had almost twice as many fights as Muniz. He was also coming off a pretty brutal loss to Napoles where I believe he had his eye socket broken.

It became pretty one sided in the end as Mando's relentless attack eventually wore Ernie down. Lopez was getting staggered around and was dropped late in the 7th..his corner wisely stopped it after that.

Up until those last few rounds however I thought it was a very good two way fight, Ernie really had some moves in his bag of tricks. Boxing very well from the outside, keeping Mando at bay with his jab for the most part while back peddling efficiently to his left.
Lopez showed me some good skills but I dont think he quite had enough physically to deal with Mando..probably never would have actually but he surely would have done better had he had less miles on the clock.
He managed to catch Mando a hell of a lot with well timed 1-2's and some crafty left hooks. The left hooks seemed slow and there to be avoided but Ernie would often shape up with a jab then turn it over into a hook or feint to the body and use his long arms to bring it around Mando's guard. The problem was none of these shots really bothered Muniz and it probably took something out of Ernie mentally that he couldnt do anything to keep Mando marching forward.

The pressure got to him in the end and it wasnt just walking forward soak up what they got to offer pressure ..It was smart and patient pressure. Mando bounced in and out of range beautifully which had Ernie's shots falling short sometimes and had him increasingly nervous about engaging as the fight wore on. He counter-punched well and set up his shots..paced himself nicely by studying Ernie during extended period of inactivity before exploding with big single shots or combos.

Once Mando started finding a home for those rights hands just about everytime he threw, Ernie deteriorated quickly and became a bit desperate with his shots.

Overall a good display from the emerging Muniz...He would have been a very popular fighter in this era I feel, he really was a very well rounded fighter who always gave the fans value for money with his mix of skill and excitement.
Just shows the quality of that time when neither of these guys were able to hold a title. IMO those were some of the best eras, when there were only 2 titles. Prevented one guy from monopolising the title and allowed for superfights to be built up but at the same time it didnt dilute what it meant to be champ with 4000 titles floating around.

 

I've just followed El Bujia and natonic in re-watching Kalambay-Kalule, and don't have much more to add to their summaries other than that I scored it 116-113 for Kalambay. It was also nice to a non-weight-drained Kalule rolling back the clock a bit to produce a last hurrah against an excellent opponent, even if I thought he lost. A couple or three months later against Graham (which I've also just watched) and he doesn't look like the same fighter.

 

Oh, and copious thanks to lora for what must've been a twatbag of a job uploading it.

 

I just scored these for the first time today. I scored Maidana-Kotelnik around this mourning & I actually just finished scoring Ali-Shavers not too long ago. My following posts will show my scores:


Maidana-Kotelnik

MCM- 3,5,9,11,12
AK- 1,2,4,6,7,8,10

Winner: Andreas Kotelnik 115-113 7 – 5

Maidana’s shots were more thudding of course but many were being picked off. They were harder but I thought Kotelnik landed the crisper shots throughout especially the 1 & 2. Maidana’s pressure was effective as he was hitting him anywhere he can and there was plenty of contact. I thought his bodywork won him some rounds as well. THIS is effective pressure not the crap DLH(in Mayweather fight) or Calzaghe(in the Hopkins fight) were doing as they didn’t make half of the contact Maidana did in the Kotelnik fight. He was even busting Kotelnik up a few times especially in the later part of the 11th and in most of the 12th but Kotelnik tried to steal it at the end. It was a close decision but I thought Kotelnik did more and deserved the nod. Definitely clear too imo.

 

Shavers-Ali

ES-2,4,6,8,13,14,15
TG-1,3,5,7,10,11,12

Even-9

Winner: No winner,Draw 143-143

Great last three rounds with lots of heart shown throughout by both men. Rewatching a fight from those times truly helps me appreciate the Golden Era of the heavies(70’s) and makes me a better fan. The first time I watched this I thought Ali won this but I was MUCH more inexperienced a few years ago compared to now. I finally saw how close this fight actually was and am glad I toke the time to rewatch & score it. Shavers was pretty unlucky to fight at the time he did but was a very good fighter but definitely not “The Greatest” lol.

 

I'm going to come to this thread maybe everytime I score as I love it here lol.

 

Love this fight. "Pocket Rocket" redefined durability, and he actually gave Morales a good fight here also.

McGirt - Whitaker I
1,2,6,7,8,9,11 - Whitaker
3,4,5,10,12 - McGirt

115-113 Sweet Pea.

Really fun to watch how Pernell adjusted his tactics in the middle rounds, fighting from a greater distance and forcing Buddy to lead. Really bizarre to watch what he was doing between rounds and in the final round (was he already coked up at this point?) Credit to Buddy for nailing him in the middle of that Masai leap back to the ropes.

Watched the rematch also, yet another example of how the "Whitaker couldn't punch" contingent doesn't know its ass from a hole in the ground. Devastating power, obviously not, but he landed some left hand power shots in the middle rounds of this one that absolutely took the life out of Buddy's attack. Hard to think that the showman in him didn't take it the distance, because he clearly had Buddy ready to go in the ninth. Hats off to Buddy for basically fighting with one arm here also, his left seemed pretty useless throughout.

 

Watched Kalambay vs Collins in preperation for uploading it... unfortunately 2 or 3 rounds have a disc scip\freeze that will slightly complicate uploading, so it won't be getting done till i can be bothered, which isn't tonight.

Controversial fight i'm interested in seeing scorecards for, so i won't prejudice any of the more easily agitated or already possibly biased with my incoherent ramblings on how i scored it just yet.


Instead i'll just ramble a bit about Collins in general.stuff i've probably already said in some other thread.

He often gets broadly characterised as the man who did little other than beat washed up versions of Benn and Eubank...stylistically often pegged as a slow unskilled brawler of mediocre talent.There are grains of truth in those views imo, but i think he was better than that; a good workhorse fighter with an interesting approach, if not at all easy on the eye.

A very broad, big boned middle who looked massive at 168 even compared to the overly-muscled boiled down Eubank.Yet he often gives up or is patient with the strength advantage to utilise decent movement, box a bit on the backfoot, or hang back looking for openings with probing shots and a good(if often sloppy)jab.Capable of picking a nice right hand counter or lead every so often, and the sweeping right is a favoured weapon of choice in general.

When the aggression does come, it can vary between the stalking pressure seen late in MCallum bout, or more often sudden unorthodox rushes, where precise offensive technique is largely sacrificed for calzaghe-like volume flurries and unusual arm-punch combos....yet he usually is capable of shortening up punches once on the inside and slipping in an accurate, tidy punch when you don't expect him to.Good punching variety.

All of this often in the same round, bundled in with a lot of dirty mauling and fouling makes him reminiscent of gene Fullmer to me.Definitely the same type of fighter, in that both are more or less "complete" at all ranges, yet within the framework of an awkward volume puncher\ brawler, rather than a classic boxer-puncher or stylist.Chang and Pryor were Elite examples of this kind of thing from that era(Fenech too, though he wasn't as inclined to use the whole ring/mix range as often), where Collins is good, better than Vito or Hamsho at it, if not better outright(that would be debatable).

Also notable for largely abandoning most of this after initially beating Eubank, in favour of constantly charging straight in and winging clubbing bombs.I appreciated that.


weaknesses would be not being much of a puncher and making wrong choices about what would be most effective brawling-boxing facet to employ as often as he makes the right one.Also nothing special in the notablle defensive radar//reflexes and space perception areas that can really make a highly aggressive fighter capable of fighting at all ranges tough to beat.His unorthodoxy does make him tough to hit consistently at times though.

Chin not as good as often made out imo, though not really a weakness

Vulnerable to smarter ring-generals rather than any particular style i'd say.

All in all, for me one of those fighters who is likely to take a few schoolings when put in a range of the very good to greats in his weight divisions, but also someone who might perform quite a bit better than expected at times, especially against fighters not comfortable with the unusual.

 

I love Collins purely for in the Benn fight where he slips to one knee and keeps punching.

 

I don't like him at all.Watching him bested by more aesthetically pleasing fighters is a joy to behold.

A good solid fighter though.I don't see him being an easy fight for Calzaghe like most seem to.

 

I love the fighters your into and not into. Always gives me a chuckle.

Collins is just a hard man, technically I feel he was poor, so I'd rather watch a better boxer than a brawler.