the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

I watched the 1950 non-title 10 rounder today between champ Sandy Saddler and Chillin Charley Riley. A really good 10 rounder. I have no idea how this St. Louis, Mo. scoring system works, however, so I will score in rounds.

Round 1: Riley
Round 2: Riley
Round 3: Saddler
Round 4: Even
Round 5: Saddler
Round 6: Riley
Round 7: Saddler
Round 8: Saddler
Round 9: Saddler
Round 10: Saddler

Total: 6-3-1 Saddler

Official scores were 53-47 and 56-44, both for Saddler and 50-50 for a majority decision win for Saddler. Riley started so fast keeping Saddler's back to the ropes and pounding away. But that took a lot of energy and once Saddler moved the fight to the middle of the ring he took over. Even his infighting improved once he was utilizing those uppercuts that Riley couldn't match. Charley kept it competitive the whole way, however, and it was an enjoyable fight. I wish I could figure out Missouri scoring though.

 

'Mando' Ramos vs 'Sugar' Ramos

Mando - Sugar

R1: 10 - 9
Classy round. Great leads from both.
R2: 10 - 9
Sugar hurt. Beautiful work from Mando.
R3: 10 - 9
That round was hot, baby! Sugar valiant!
R4: 10 - 10
Very close. Both with solid, fluid work.
R5: 10 - 9
Beautiful, clean work from Mando.
R6: 10 - 9
Mando again taking it with his superb lead.
R7: 9 - 10
Mando seriously hurt. Amazing round. What a turn around!
R8: 10 - 9
Mando more effective and fluid.
R9: 10 - 9
Sugar was winning this 'till he was rocked. Hard.
R10: 10 - 9
Mando landing some huge shots.

TOTAL: 99 - 92 RAMOS (10 point must)

Notes:
A competitive, skilled, nasty bout, but not hard to score in my opinion. I don't see how people scored this so close, tho maybe I could've gave the 8th or 9th to Ramos. Maybe I shouldn't watch so late at night!
I don't know how the scoring went about in this time / place, but I can't see how Sugar got a 5 - 4 vote.

 

Rough, I scored this about a year ago. Awesome fight. Here is what I wrote.

Ramos v Ramos

California scoring in effect. 1 point for a winner of the round, an additional point if a knockdown is scored and no points for an even round.

Round 1: Mando
Round 2: Mando
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Sugar
Round 5: Mando
Round 6: Mando
Round 7: Sugar
Round 8: Sugar
Round 9: Sugar
Round 10: Mando

Total: 5-4 Mando Ramos

From rounds 3 to the end there is only minimal commentary due to the west coast TV station having to switch to the news and they would comment only sporadically. Love this war! Rough, under California scoring, your score would be simply 8-1 for Mando.

 

I scored this after you'd posted yours @scartissue. I did it on 10 point must:

 

I think this is just telling me to not score fights just before I go to sleep haha. Good posts as always from both of you.

 

Thanks for the recommendation, @roughdiamond! Real good fight, and a fighter I'm now highly interested in.
Anyways, I had it like this, scoring on a ten point must.

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Rd. Mando : Sugar
1. 10 : 9
2. 10 : 9
3. 10 : 9
4. 10 : 9
5. 9 : 10 (49:46)
6. 10 : 10
7. 9 : 10
8. 10 : 9
9. 10 : 9
10. 9 : 10 (97-94)

(Mando)Ramos wins by SD.

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Big hug at the end! DO YOU RESPECT SUGAR?

Real fun fight, Mando's face was shredded, and was cut up like paper-mache at the end. Close fight, clear Mando win though.

Sugar was a consummate professional, and made the most of his ability. Whilst on the other hand, Mando was awesome, he should've been more to be honest.

Sugar's stance and punch structure reminds me of Ken Norton, and I drew comparisons between Mando's style and Ray Leonard's. The combos and movement were very fluid and precise.

Mando was just better in my mind, he could knuckle down and exchange with Sugar, and also get on toes and box him at range. Sugar didn't have the feet to keep up for the early goings, then once Mando slowed down, he started pounding him late.

Sugar - White
Mando - Red

 

Mando was so fluid in this one. The guy was such a talent. And, consequently, such a waste. Love his punching structure and movement.

 

Manny Pacquaio vs Juan Manuel Marquez III

Pac - Marquez

R1: 10 - 9
Tense opener. Pac landing some sharp shots.
R2: 9 - 10
Very close. Both setting up and landing little.
R3: 10 - 9
Again, very close. Not much in it.
R4: 10 - 9
Pac the effective aggressor. Deflecting a lot of Marquez's shots.
R5: 9 - 10
Clear round for Marquez. Solid right hand set ups.
R6: 10 - 9
Close, great action. Agree with Lederman's view point here.
R7: 9 - 10
Marquez with some beautiful timing.
R8: 9 - 10
Marquez sharp and effective.
R9: 10 - 9
Pac understated defensively. Awesome finish from both.
R10: 9 - 10
Thought Marquez just took it. Complete draw after 10.
R11: 10 - 9
Pac stringing together the better work.
R12: 10 - 9
Marquez not forcing the issue enough to win the round.

TOTAL: 115 - 113 PACQUAIO

Notes:

• Awesome fight.
• I do not understand the robbery talk for Marquez here. This was a close contest open to scoring interpretation, and maybe Marquez could've gotten the nod with a 115 - 113 type score. I though a draw would be the acceptable judges decision. There is no way Juan clearly won.
• At the same time, I thought Lederman was too harsh on Marquez simply because he preferred Pac's style.
• Great feint work in this bout, and amazing movement from Pac.

 

Edwin Rosario vs Akinobu Hiranaka

R1: TKO

Hiranaka crowding Rosario and rocking him immediately. Just straight up destroys him half way through. Freak power combined with low punch resistance here from Rosario.

 

Scored JMM-Pac 3 identical bar round 4, totally agree it's not a robbery. A very even fight, draw or one round each way is absolutely fine.

 

Mike McCallum vs Julian Jackson

McCallum - Jackson

R1: 9-10 Jackson
All-out action! Jackson went straight for McCallum and looked to stop him early, McCallum calmed the storm and worked the body shots later in the round...

R2: TKO
The fight continues in the same vein until a sharp left counter catches and drops Jackson momentarily. McCallum then flies into Jackson and begins to tee off with an assortment of shots to then stop Jackson on the rope. The stoppage was decent, Jackson was getting blasted on the ropes but seemed to still have something in the fight.

 

Kuniaki Shibata vs Ben Vilaflor I

Shibata - Vilaflor

R1: 10 - 10
Not much happening. Feel out.
R2: 10 - 9
Shibata with sharp shots and movement.
R3: 10 - 9
Shibata with a beautiful counter set up.
R4: 10 - 9
Shibata with brilliant movement.
R5: 10 - 9
Ben just not working enough.
R6: 10 - 9
Close round, good stuff. Ben workrate again failing him.
R7: 9 - 10
Ben finally adjusting and landing some shots.
R8: 10 - 9
Close one - Shibata slipping expertly and countering.
R9: 10 - 9
Shibata winning off a few shots landed + defense.
R10: 9 - 10
Ben with some good shots here - enough to win the round.
R11: 10 - 9
Heating up in this round.
R12: 10 - 10
Close, copping out with an even round!
R13: 9 - 10
Ben finally showing urgency. Lovely exchanges.
R14: 9 - 10
Ben going for it inside. More exchanges.
R15: 9 - 10
Ben again on overall work and effect.

TOTAL: 145 - 142 SHIBATA (10 point must)

Notes:

• Not an action packed war, but tense set ups throughout and sudden explosions of action. And Shibata is always an amazing fighter to watch. Quite enjoyed this one.
• Shibata's punch slipping and movement is amazing. The way he'd stay right in front and dodge entire salvos, and respond and turn the angle, was insane. Study worthy; some of the best I've ever seen.
• Good watch to see a huge puncher deconstructed as well, though Ben comes on late.
• Ben waited too long here, and Shibata was very hard to beat once he had his rhythm going. Ben didn't make that mistake in the rematch, though.

 

Rough, watched it a little over a year ago. Here is what I wrote:

Round 1: 5-5 Even
Round 2: 5-4 Shibata
Round 3: 5-4 Shibata
Round 4: 5-4 Shibata
Round 5: 5-5 Even
Round 6: 5-4 Shibata
Round 7: 5-4 Villaflor
Round 8: 5-4 Villaflor
Round 9: 5-4 Shibata
Round 10: 5-4 Villaflor
Round 11: 5-5 Even
Round 12: 5-4 Villaflor
Round 13: 5-4 Shibata
Round 14: 5-4 Villaflor
Round 15: 5-4 Shibata

Total: 70-68 Shibata. The fight would have lulls, but then they would explode with some good combos. I liked the 11th round best. Decent fight. Not spine-tingling but decent.

Rough, we differed on only the 8th, 13th and 15th along with a smattering of even rounds. Not too shabby seeing as how several of these rounds were close.

 

I always liked Frankie Warren. I recall watching his fights with Ronnie Shields and Buddy McGirt back in the day and re-watched and scored the first McGirt fight again. I was amazed at the way he dominated these fights and was equally amazed at how McGirt took their rematch. But today I sat down to watch Frankie against Mickey Ward. I gave Ward the 1st round, had rounds 4 and 12 Even and the other 9 rounds for Frankie for a score of 119-111. I was less generous to Mickey than the judges who had Frankie winning 117-111, 115-113 and 116-112. Frankie had one way of fighting. Throw punches until his opponent fell or the final bell rang. Still a good fight as Ward would uncork punches in flurries, usually the last 10 seconds of the round. But Frankie's style was made to burn out early. And this wasn't the same Frankie who beat McGirt 3 years earlier. But I still get a kick out of watching him.