the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Jean Pascal UD12 Badou Jack

    Man, Pascal has aged beautifully. A decade after he ruled he's still moving well, boulder shoulders. Whatever drugs he's using, those are the ones I would like please and thank you. Good variety too in the opener with the right hand, working behind the jab but slingy shots with the right up and down are the difference makers early in the round. Maybe makes himself a little vulnerable to the jab by waiting though - and he is waiting - and it will be interesting to see how that pans out. His handspeed is maybe a little slower but wow the placement is good...especially to the body.

    Pascal jab is still quick, and it appears to have Jack nervous in the opening moments of the second. Pascal shows good variety, slinging in a left hook now, it's not pretty, but married to that pretty jab it's ok. Pascal ends the round disorganised and I think a little hurt; the shade to Jack. The third, Pascal has abandoned his jab for some weird reason. Throws it with just over a minute left and a four punch combo comes behind it. So ridiculous that he spent two minutes not throwing it. When he jabs, he wins these rounds and he dominates the last minute here for me. He puts Jack in trouble on the cards (And in his brains) in the fourth with a high hard right hand before rushing him back to the ropes where Jack sprawled. His turn to be disorgansied, but was also legit buzzed i think - not sure which corner was his at bell.

    This was hurtful in more ways than one. Jack dominated this round. He was boss. He won every minute. And then he finds himself on the rough end of a 10-8 round. Tough sport. You wonder if he may not be gunshy.

    Fast start for Pascal, but very controlled, jabs and slings, normal work. On the one hand he risks little, on the other hand, Jack is allowed time and he's pushing Pascal back by the end of the first minute. Good round, very good fight in fact, glad I went back, I nearly skipped it. I have Pascal taking a very close fifth in the last seconds with a vicious body assault; Jack is really in bad trouble points-wise.

    This contest has been rough. Low blows, rabbit punches, naughty's with the head, some holding and hitting, by and large it's been well refereed though. Jack does well in the sixth, keeps the intensity up instead of allowing himself to be railroaded. He's also starting to win the battle of the jabs and still has time - though the margin for error is rapidly falling.

    Eight is great. Jack dominates Pascal along the ropes and he emerges with on fo those aggressive punching rushes he produces sometimes. It's another very very close round but I think just about Jack again - so he's now rushed 6,7,8 on my card. Behind by the knockdown. Jack is looking quicker and has picked a couple of punches beautifully. If I was placing a dollar at this point it would go on Jack.

    I gave Pascal the ninth, barely, based on a gorgeous uppercut two-piece but that's the first he's won since the fifth, arguably the fourth. He's in trouble despite the great start. He's ahead, but I feel like he needs the tenth - because he's fading. Jack could pocket both late rounds...both men look tired, in fact, and I thought Pascal did enough, so he has a lead going into the 11th. Jack takes the 11th so as long as Pascal keeps his feet in the twelfth he's got in the bag by virtue of the knockdown...and he doesn't keep his feet :lol: Jack has him in trouble early with right hands, adds uppercuts, a furious Pascal is tossed across the bottom or second rope, bouncing about, up at a no count. In trouble, hanging on through much of the rest of the round...arguably could be a 10-8 but Jack probably didn't do quite enough to justify that.

    So I have a 113-113 draw, lovely.

    Good, absorbing fight.

    JACK:2,6,7,8,11,12^
    PASCAL:1,3,4*,5,9,10,

    *Jack down
    ^Pascal down.
     
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  2. George Crowcroft

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    No problems man. Here's mine.
    Murodjon Akhmadaliev vs Daniel Roman

    Rd. Jon : Dan
    1. 10 : 9
    2. 10 : 9
    3. 10 : 9
    4. 10 : 9 (40-36)
    5. 10 : 9
    6. 9 : 10
    7. 9 : 10
    8. 9 : 10
    9. 10 : 9
    10. 10 : 9
    11. 10 : 9
    12. 9 : 10 (116-112)

    Akhmadaliev wins a 12 round SD.

    Rounds 4&6 were close enough to go either way imo. Not a SD type fight. Clear MJ win imo.

    Roman showing nice head-movement, a respectable willingness to trade and decent speed early on. Anyways, he ain't what we're focusing on now. Akhmadaliev... Wow! This kid's the goods. Seemingly good power, quick hands and feet, nice reflexes and all-round athleticsm, good fundamentals, very good gas tank and now he's shown he can put them all together and beat a top opponent. He seemed to improve as the fight progressed too, he was on Roman like a swarm of bees in the last few rounds.

    I love the Uzbek style too, If were up to me, I'd give Muro a chance to fine tune his skills, then after a couple more fights this year, I'd wanna see the Navarrete fight. What a war that would be!
     
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  3. scartissue

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    Rough, this is the best place for this result. And not to nitpick, but I think you had it 5-4-1 for Mina if I'm reading it correctly. Anyways, here is my result again on the NY rounds scoring basis.

    Round 1: Hank
    Round 2: Hank
    Round 3: Mina
    Round 4: Hank
    Round 5: Mina (great round, could have been fought in a phone booth)
    Round 6: Mina
    Round 7: Mina
    Round 8: Even
    Round 9: Even (very little of substance took place this round - you could give to Mina on aggression but I said even)
    Round 10: Mina

    Total 5-3-2 Mina

    I was so impressed with Mina's jab and short hooks inside. Don't know the story on this guy. Retired in '65 at the top of his game. This was his only fight in the U.S. MSG seemed to be impressed with him but he went back down to Peru and finished his career without a title shot. He should have pressed this and stayed in NY. You have to go where the money and opportunities are. Maybe just bad management.

    I also looked around at anyone who scored this and I found two more posters that scored it 5-3-2 Mina, one who scored it 6-4 Mina, one who scored it 5-4-1 for Hank and the last one scored it a 5-5 Draw. So, a good tight fight.
     
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    I watched the 1977 John Stracey v Dave Boy Green fight this morning. Man, there wasn't a moment to breathe. Here is how I had it.

    Round 1: Green
    Round 2: Green
    Round 3: Even
    Round 4: Green
    Round 5: Green
    Round 6: Green
    Round 7: Green
    Round 8: Green
    Round 9: Stracey
    Round 10: Harry Gibb stops the bout in Green's favor

    Total (through 9 completed rounds): 89 1/2 - 86 1/2 for Green (if I am understanding Britain's 10 - 9 1/2 scoring correctly)

    Green was all over Stracey from the opening bell, slathering him in body shots, the 'muckspreader' and a careless noggin. It looked like Stracey was making a remarkable comeback from a winded Green in the 9th, but Green got his second win in the 10th and Gibb quite rightly pulled out a distressed Stracey. It seemed like the arena was electric that night. I'll bet that was fun to be a Green fan that night.
     
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  5. McGrain

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    Jean Pascal TD8 Marcus Browne

    This fight was bizarre.

    Browne, nearly a decade younger than Pascal, is fast fast and Pascal looks a bit lost. **** going into a clinch with Pascal though. He lets you know you've been in there. Anyway, bad start for Pascal (who is still ranked number six btw) who clearly loses the first three rounds. In the fourth though, a superb counter-right hand dropped him flat on his back, hurt and rather confounded. Pascal poured it on but Browne did a rather fine job of surviving the two minutes remaining; first holding, then fighting back. Just like that, Pascal is back in the fight.

    Browne boxed his way back in beautifully at the very start of the fifth, landing good shots then boxing conservatively behind, giving Pascal something to think about. He's also, speaking very generally, too fast for Pascal to throw with him, although that was the tactic that brought him that dramatic fourth round KD. Pascal finished the fifth hurt but on his feet and mroe in the sixth - in the seventh, Browne had Pascal in trouble, fading, struggling, ready to go, then, suddenly, he was on the ground looking up. IN the final few seconds of the seventh round a chaotic, ludicrous closing spell saw Browne spilled again and Pascal even on the cards! This. Sport. What a minute. Even without the second knockdown, Pascal doesn't win this fight and very possibly retires. Pascal just ducked a shot and emerged with a miracle right hook from the square stance.

    More madness in the eighth. Pascal is going crazy for his shot, he knows he's going to lose this fight if he doesn't score knockdowns or a knockout but he's experienced enough to exercise care. When he does surge though, he's aggressive and Browne naturally wants to clinch. Pascal is rough in clinches. You can hear the headclash. Loud, loud, a bad one and Browne is badly cut. Referee calls it accidental - the blood is absolutely pouring and the fight is called.

    And Pascal gets the decision on the cards. The ultimate old-man mugging? Fascinating, fascinating stuff. Surely there will be a rematch.

    PASCAL:4*,7^,8
    BROWNE:1,2,3,5,6

    *Browne down
    ^Browne down twice
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

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    Zaragoza vs Erik Morales
    The old warrior takes on a prime ATG, this can't be good... And the age difference is 18 years ffs! Morales' 21 to Zaragoza's 39. Truthfully, I'm not overly excited for this one, I'm expecting a pummeling. Plus Morales has a real bad style for Danny.

    Rd. Zara : Erik
    1. 10 : 10
    2. 10 : 9*
    3. 10 : 9
    4. 10 : 9
    5. 10 : 9 (50-46)
    6. 10 : 9
    7. 9 : 10
    8. 9 : 10
    9. 9 : 10
    10. 8 : 10 (95-95)

    Morales wins by 11th round KO.

    *Rounds marked are swingers.

    I'd say this fight taught Zaragoza to keep his left hand up, but in reality it probably taught him not to exchange with a prime El Terrible at 39 years of age. Zara out-worked him pretty consistently for the first half. Morales got to him good after that though, his aggression caused him to gas bad.

    Round 8 was awesome, huge heart on Zaragoza for that one, considered it 10-8 tbh. Morales showed his amazing artillery when he opened up, his offence was blistering. He countered Zara plenty and that pin-point right caught Zara almost every time Erik teed off. The body shot that got the KO and KD were nasty.

    Sad really, coz a peak Zaragoza could've been a really good scalp for Morales and an awesome fight too, this one was good but seemed a little unjust, if you catch my drift. Loved the respect at the end though.
     
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  7. George Crowcroft

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    Loving the LHWs at the minute, aren't we Matt?
     
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    Yeah you're right, I made a mistake there. I'll edit it.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Last decade. I'm gonna do all the divisions I think.
     
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    Sounds fun, I liked the LHWs recently. I imagine you're looking forward to the SMWs with Froch.
     
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    Alexis Arguello vs Ray Mancini

    Arguello - Mancini

    R1: 9 - 10
    Mancini bobbing; leading with his left.
    R2: 9 - 10
    Great skills from both.
    R3: 10 - 9
    Arguello warming up.
    R4: 9 - 10
    Mancini a bull!
    R5: 9 - 10
    Mancini a ball of energy. Landing right hands.
    R6: 9 - 10
    Very good work from Mancini
    R7: 9 - 10
    Arguello adapting. Close.
    R8: 10 - 9
    Mancini hurt with a hook.
    R9: 10 - 9
    Arguello timing Mancini now.
    R10: 10 - 9
    Great action.
    R11: 10 - 10
    Close.
    R12: 10 - 9
    Tremendous rights from Arguello. Should've really been a knockdown called.
    R13: 10 - 9
    Mancini really hurt. Crazy heart.
    R14: KO
    Mancini badly hurt here.

    TOTAL SCORES: 124 - 122 MANCINI

    Notes:
    A classic. Great action and skills from both men.
     
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    Bernard Hopkins UD12 Jean Pascal

    People forget how exciting Bernard's two fights with Pascal were. They were both, in their own way, thrilling. This second fight is the one that saw Hopkins become the oldest champion in the sport's history - was legitimate, too, Pascal was the man. The man probably won the first round with some sudden forays, but he looks like the more inexperienced man already. Hopkins relaxed. Pretty funny to see Pascal (knowing what we know now) complaining about Hopkins being naughty with the head :lol: That tells you how serious that man is about eeking out an illegal advantage. Hopkins needs the third though having lost the two openers; if he doesn't get the third, he must have the fourth.

    Referee won't let them infight in earnest. I like the messy Pascal infighting, and who doesn't love to see Hopkins sneak about inside? So, poor. Lovely aggression from Hopkins this third, he knows he needs it and Pascal, meanwhile, is not for backing up. His very serious flurry at the end of the round makes it extremely close. The fourth was not close. Pascal swarmed late and hurt Hopkins to the body, then landed a hard right on him, a wide, slingy right hand right as Hopkins landed a low blow. It hit him on the neck - can't be right - and Hopkins, momentarily, was gone I think. 3-1 for Pascal after four.

    Strange to see Hopkins leading the line. He's doing it tentatively with the jab - and then a hard right hand to the body on the beltline - but he is doing. Pascal is kind of doing the type of fighting he likes, then, waiting before fighting in surges. It's interesting stuff this. Pascal is getting the better of it and Hopkins is now in a bit of trouble on my card. I can't remember what happens in the middle rounds.

    "Right Hand Leads" is what happened in the sixth. And Pascal tries to follow Hopkins back to his corner at the end, with the verbals. Head, gone. Okay, this is what happens in the middle rounds. Here comes Hopkins. Hahahaha Hopkins doing push ups between rounds, hahahaha, now I remember this, I watched this live, but I was in bed, might have been sick, might just have been very late.

    Hopkins all square after eight. Referee having a terrible time :lol: as you'd expect with these two bams. Hopkins is so smart. Someone hits him behind his ear? He puts his glove over the back of his head. The referee warns the opponent for hitting behind the head. It's shouldn't be special - why doesn't everyone do it? I suppose it's presence of mind. The feigning of injury, yeah, i like that less, but some of this stuff is so pretty.

    Hopkins approaches with the right, gives ground and lands the left hook, circles and lands the jab; inside he lands illegal kidney shots and holds Pascal tight while the referee badgers him to release Bernard. It's just like a living nightmare for a young fighter. Three punches, three circumstances, everyone against you. Hopkins scored a knockdown in the ninth that wasn't called. Probably this is covered off by Hopkins' using the tactics of the night :lol:

    Tenth round in the bag for Hopkins and that's his sixth by my card. Also by my card, Pascal hasn't won one since the fifth. One more will do it for B-Hop; he's likely to lose the twelfth so he should make it the eleventh. On the other hand - why wouldn't he win it, the way things are going?

    I thought he got it, but that was an arguable round, could have gone either way such was Pascal's desperation.

    HOPKINS:3,6,7,8,9,10,11,
    PASCAL:1,2,4,5,12

    115-113

    Super, super fight.
     
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  13. George Crowcroft

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    Fighting Harada SD15 Éder Jofre
    Official Scores - 69-71, 72-71, 70-72
    1965-05-18, Undisputed BW title.

    First time watching this one fully. Two ATGs in action here, really looking forward to it. Regrettably, this is my first time watching Jofre at length so I have no reference for how close to his prime he looked. I've always been under the assumption he was just as good here as he ever was, a slight decline being arguable at best.
    Anyways, I'm going on a 10 point must here(due to preference), I'll half it at the end though.

    Rd. FH : EJ
    1. 10 : 9
    2. 10 : 9
    3. 10 : 9
    4. 10 : 9
    5. 9 : 10 (49-46)
    6. 10 : 10
    7. 9 : 10
    8. 10 : 9
    9. 10 : 9
    10. 9 : 10 (97-94)
    11. 10 : 9
    12. 9 : 10
    13. 10 : 10
    14. 9 : 10
    15. 10 : 9 (145-142)
    5PM: 69-65

    Round by Round
    Definitely a Harada win imo, I can see it closer than 69-65, but not enough to pull an Éder win out. Let's say you give 3, 9&6, you're looking at a 1 point, or so, difference. Anyways, close, competitive fight between two peak(or close to it) ATGs. Imo, Harada's early lead was too much for Jofre too comeback. Absolutely brilliant fight though. Really good action, high pace and elite skills on display.

    Harada, I'd say he fought the correct fight, the improvements I'd say he should've made was to try and be a little less negative with his smothering as he seemed to cost himself opportunities and openings. Jofre, on the other hand, was a little too minimalist here imo. If he'd picked up the pace and landed the shots he did at a higher volume he could've took this one. I know he had weight issues which could've made this a problem but he still looked as fresh as a daisy after a hard 15 rounder.

    Love the respect between these two.

    @roughdiamond
     
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  14. Jel

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    Masahiko Fighting Harada v Eder Jofre 2

    Posting this in full expectation of getting a bit of stick for my card as it’s a lot wider than the official scores and than others have had it. But I scored it as I saw it and I saw a guy in Harada who was relentless and outworked a great but perhaps waning fighter in Jofre who simply couldn’t match the activity level that Harada brought.

    To be clear though - while age and weight making could have been factors here, I think Harada just had a style that Jofre didn’t know what to do with. Jofre tried to counter and did some nice work but got outlanded inside and out. Harada was throwing 3 or 4 punches to every one that Jofre threw, particularly the jab which set up Masahiko’s attacks very effectively and was a points scoring weapon in its own right.

    It wasn’t as good as the first fight but was never less than absorbing and the rounds flew by. Two all-time greats here but one guy just had the other guy’s number in my view. Anyway, here’s my card:

    1 10-9
    2 9-10 (close, swing round - I thought Harada might have got the better of the exchanges initially but can see an argument the other way and ultimately went with Jofre, just)
    3 10-9 (these rounds are flying by - thoroughly absorbing! Clear Harada round as Jofre tries to smother his attacks but gets outworked inside and out.)
    4 10-9 (Keep having to check that the rounds haven’t been shortened as they go by so quickly. Harada’s again as he beats Jofre to the punch fairly consistently)
    5 10-9 (Whatever fight plan Jofre had coming in needs tearing up because that’s another round for Fighting Harada)
    6 10-9 (A bit better from Jofre towards the end of the round but I couldn’t give it to him. Harada is outjabbing Jofre 2 or 3 to 1)
    7 9-10 (Bit of a scrappier round this but Jofre gets a round in the bag for the first time in a good while on my card. Harada inevitably threw more but Jofre seemed to get his timing as the Japanese fighter swarmed. Good countering from the Brazilian)
    8 10-10 (another swing round. I was ready to give this to Jofre after the first 90 seconds but Harada come back and outhustled him over the second half)
    9 10-9 (tight round again, Jofre countered well at points but Harada worked the body well and was just busier)
    10 10-9 (Jofre’s having some good moments in these rounds but it’s hard to give him them when he’s being outworked. He doesn’t seem to be able to take Harada out of his stride at all)
    11 10-9 (I feel like I’m having to look for something to give to Eder here. Again, he has his moments where he counters Harada but it’s few and far between. Harada remains in perpetual motion - a bantamweight Henry Armstrong)
    12 9-10 (I thought Jofre just shaded this although it was close. He got busier with the jab and countered effectively this round, trying to match Masahiko’s punch output)
    13 10-9 (Jofre would need a miracle on my card to win this. A scrappy round relatively, Jofre has been outworked all night and Harada has never looked like running out of steam. Jofre can’t match Harada’s punch volume and whatever he has tried simply hasn’t worked or at least for long enough to make a positive impact on my scorecard)
    14 10-9 (No wonder Jofre retired after this fight. Harada fought that round like he was behind on the cards and needed a KO to win. Absolute dominance from him and Jofre looks spent)
    15 10-9 (The final bell puts Jofre out of his misery. He’s just been schooled)

    Harada wins 11 rounds to 3 with 1 even

    Harada 148-140 Jofre
     
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    Eder Jofre v Masahiko Fighting Harada 1

    After watching Harada-Jofre 2 I went back and rescored the first fight just to make sure I wasn't off base and that my recollection was on point. Judging against my original card, I scored each round this time and then checked against my card for that round and that round only without peaking ahead to the next round. Although I did come up with a slightly different (and tighter) score my impression was nigh-on identical. The two rounds that differed were round 4 which I scored 10-8 to Harada last time but felt this time around that it wasn't quite so one-sided to give Harada the extra point and round 9 which I felt Jofre edged this time, whereas last time I had it even.

    Jofre in my view was much more competitive in this fight than the rematch and there was not a lot between the fighters in many of the rounds.

    1 9-10
    2 9-10
    3 10-10 (tight round)
    4 9-10
    (big round for Harada, wobbling Jofre mid-way through and going all out to try and stop him. Not quite enough for a 10-8 Harada round with hindsight)
    5 10-9 (Jofre comes back)
    6 9-10 (close)
    7 10-9 (good exchanges, slightly higher quality from Jofre)
    8 10-9 (close, but Jofre just edged it overall)
    9 10-9 (close again, but Jofre came back to edge it. Scored this even last time)
    10 9-10 (Harada takes this one, still tight though)
    11 10-9 (Jofre landed the better shots)
    12 9-10 (bit scrappy, more holding, both tired but Harada a bit busier)
    13 10-10 (very tight, could go either way)
    14 10-9 (some cracking action and strong right hands from Jofre swings things his way in this round)
    15 9-10 (scrappy last round where Harada largely smothered Jofre's attempts at offense and scored enough to the body to take it)

    7-6 in rounds to Harada with 2 rounds even

    Jofre 143-144 Harada
     
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