the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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2020-02-29,

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SFly Title
Official Cards TOS: 78-73, 77-74, 80-71

CHOCOLATITO IS BACK!!!!!!

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Really fun little fight, albeit one-sided. González showing levels here. Seriously, I love Román, a true fan favourite. Like honestly, I don't know how can not be a fan of Román. Anyways, Fanboying aside, this was a brilliant performance. Chocolatito showing his athletic capabilities and ATG skills here, and given he's still going after such a career is insane. He didn't skip a beat here and looked as good as ever.

Bring on the Gallo rematch!
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My card.

Rd. RG : KY
1. 9 : 10
2. 10 : 9
3. 10 : 9
4. 10 : 9 (39-37)
5. 9 : 10
6. 10 : 9
7. 10 : 9
8. 10 : 8 (

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1975-10-12,

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FW Title
Official Cards TOS: 19-19, 20-17, 20-20

A young Alexis Argüello takes on a well schooled Japanese contender, and future SBW champ, Royal Kobayashi in a fun little fight.

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How was this completely even on card? Blatant home-cooking there. Argüello beat the **** outta him. It was a one-sided, methodical breakdown.
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Rd. AA : RK
1. 10 : 9
2. 10 : 9
3. 10 : 9
4. 10 : 9 (

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2016-09-10,

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SFly Title
Official Cards: 115-113, 116-112, 117-111

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After 6 I can feasibly see it as arguable for either, as the only round I thought was inarguable was the 3rd. 1,2,4,5&6 were all close enough to be split either way, especially the first 2 and the 6th. As it happens I had it 3/3- Even. The last 2 were razor thin, as was the 9th. That's 7 swings rounds, meaning any outcome is acceptable imo. I had it a draw. Awesome fight, crazy action between two really crowd-pleasing styles.

Chocolatito looked a little off here, in both the fight and appearance. Did he have a bad camp?Cuadras was awesome, I loved his style. That round he put together in the 5th was insane, made me a fan right there.

Both of these aren't in this form anymore, but if they were they'd be real forces in today's division. I'm eagerly waiting for Cuadras/Estrada 2 and hoping for González/Ioka happens.
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Rd. RG : CC
1. 9 : 10
2. 10 : 9
3. 10 : 9
4. 10 : 9 (39-37)
5. 9 : 10
6. 9 : 10
7. 10 : 9
8. 10 : 9 (77-75)
9. 10 : 9
10. 9 : 10
11. 9 : 10
12. 9 : 10 (

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1982-11-12,

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JWW Title
Official Cards: 127/124, 127/125, 127/124

Unbelievable fight between two very special fighters, obviously. I didn't do an RBR, I had enough to talk about anyway. Scoring it wasn't hard for the most part but a few rounds were very close. It's a famous example of the ol' "do I go with the clean work or the workrate?" case. Argüello's work is understated by my card, since virtually every round was electric and super competitive, but Pryor's sheer volume taking them.

Iirc guys like @Jel and @ChrisJS have it as a top 3/5 fight ever, I wouldn't. That's hardly a disservice though, this fight is unbelievable. It's one that I'd show people who don't know about boxing how entertaining it can be. I don't where I'd rate it, since I haven't made a definitive list, but it's certainly up there and happened in quite possibly the only year in history where it wouldn't be FOTY.

Brilliant stuff from both. As I'm watching for Argüello, not Pryor, I'll start with him. Alexis had near-flawless fundamentals. His countering was so sharp, precisely damaging and consistent, he won the rounds he did on my card with his counters as his offence on there own. His defence is awesome, too. How he used his high-guard, a particularly basic principle, is masterful, the subtle palms, pawing and positioning to weaken incoming shots is superbly effective. His balance was all there too, whether is was crouching to cover his body or following as Pryor boxed on his toes; Argüello was set and methodical. His boxer-puncher approach had some weaknesses, the main one being that his methodical footwork made it hard to track down boxers, but other than that he had all bases covered.

Pryor was, well, wow. I don't like the guy but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a huge fan of how he fought. Nonstop action, good skills and a huge heart. His defence was good, too, the way he slipped under shots with combinations, on the back-foot was awesome. Not something just anyone can do.

I have to weigh in on the 'mixed bottle' controversy; It's unavoidable and for mine, the evidence is pretty damning. You don't mix water with water... I believe Lewis had him cheating, whether Pryor was in on it is a different matter though. The guy wasn't fully with it, he could've been manipulated. Whilst Pryor did have unusual surges of energy I doubt it made an actual difference. Argüello wasn't gonna win a decision, and Pryor beat a shot Alexis in the rematch anyway, I'd say it's bad for Pryor's image and REALLY scummy of Lewis, but who's surprised? I don't think Argüello could've beaten Pryor, it's a tall order for a JWW, let alone a SFW.

@The Malibu Mauler, YOU HAVE TO WATCH IT. Like, c'mon, It's a rite of passage.
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Anyways, my actual card:

Rd. AP : AA
1. 10 : 9
2. 9 : 10
3. 10 : 9
4. 10 : 9
5. 9 : 10 (48-47)
6. 10 : 9
7. 10 : 9
8. 10 : 9
9. 10 : 9
10. 10 : 9 (98-92)
11. 9 : 10
12. 10 : 9
13. 9 : 10 (

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Great write up, George. Yep, you remembered correctly about how highly I rate this, except I actually have it number 1! That's right, this remains some 25+ years after I first saw it, my all-time favourite fight. There have been closer fights, fights with more shifts in momentum, more dramatic fights even. But nothing I've seen tops this for sustained high quality action. And you're right again about this not necessarily even being FOTY in the year it happened. The Ring actually had Chacon-Limon IV as its FOTY for 1982, I believe. Funny thing is, though, by the end of the 80s they named Pryor-Arguello 1 their Fight of the Decade. I think they eventually got it right.

 

While perusing youtube today I saw that the Nino Valdes v Bob Satterfield fight was uploaded intact and thought this would be a great slugfest. Well, I was wrong. A lot of mauling here but here is how I had it. 10 point must scoring in effect.

Round 1: 10-9 Satterfield
Round 2: 10-9 Valdes
Round 3: 10-9 Satterfield
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Satterfield
Round 6: 10-9 Satterfield
Round 7: 10-9 Valdes
Round 8: 10-9 Valdes (very close to me calling this one even)
Round 9: 10-9 Satterfield
Round 10: 10-8 Satterfield (scores a knockdown)

Total: 97-93 Satterfield

Actual scores were 97-88, 97-93 and 98-92. I don't know about that first one but the next 2 scores seemed more in line with what took place. And believe me, it wasn't scintillating stuff. Nino, for all his physical advantages, doesn't fight big. He doesn't use his height or reach to advantage and despite what may have been written, he is not a big puncher. More of a sharp puncher than anything else. And that lack of big punch and the fact that Nino negated all his physical advantages over the smaller Satterfield, played right into Bob's hands. Again, more of a mauling fight that would erupt here and there when Bob attacked.

 

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1981-11-21,

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LW Title
Official Cards TOS: 59-54, 59-54, 59-54

I can't lie, I'm disappointed. I was expecting Boza-Edwards type action and it didn't happen. Oh well. Routine performace from Argüello, very dominant and very clean. Elizondo has a fun style but was in over his head, here. Like anyone is surprised. Brilliant shots to get the KDs though.

I also watched Argüello/Edwards, very fun fight but I didn't score it. Just thought I'd mention that I thought Boza won most rounds before the stoppage, which I was flabbergasted by. Alas onto, the Bloody Battle of Bayamon, and the rematch(which was for some reason in Italy)!
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Rd. AA : RE
1. 9 : 10
2. 10 : 9
3. 10 : 9
4. 10 : 8
5. 10 : 9
6. 10 : 9 (

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17/12/19,

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SFW title
Official Cards TOS: 116-111, 118-112, 117-110

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Still don't agree with Philly that this is the best fight ever, but it is an awesome fight. Very classy, very tidy but brutal. I'll be looking forward to the next one now! A strange case here, as Alexis had issues with Alfredo's style in that he had limited issues pinning Escalera down, but he also showed that he came alive more early when someone was trying to get to him. It's a fight that bucked trends for Argüello's career.
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Rd. AA : AE
1. 10 : 9
2. 10 : 8
3. 10 : 9
4. 10 : 9 (40-35)
5. 9 : 10
6. 9 : 10
7. 10 : 9
8. 10 : 9 (78-73)
9. 9 : 10
10. 10 : 9
11. 10 : 10
12. 10 : 9 (

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Arguello-Escalera 1 and 2 - enjoy (especially number 2)!

 

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1979-02-04,

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SFW Title

Just some context here. Argüello fought 5 fights between the two Escalera fights in a just a year. He'd have a 10 rounder, which went 3, two months after the first in the US, then defend his title vs Rey Tam a month after. That's 8 rounds in 3 months after a grueling 13 round brawl. He'd defend his title again 2 months later in a minute long fight(poor Alcala) then lose a 10 round decision. After that loss he'd jump straight back in and go the 15 round distance vs Arturo Leon whilst making yet another title defence. So in a year, he'd fight 5 fights, 3 of which were title defences, they added up to 34 rounds, in 3 different countries which he'd bounce back and forth between and travelled from one side of the US to the other. Work. Ethic.

Why have you gotta make me pick between Jel and Philly? Shame, but I gotta go with Jel, this one was more electrifying for mine, this first one was more competitive, but this one was more fun, imo. More drama. Beautiful left hooks to get the KD in the 4th, 5th and 13th from Argüello, in fact he demonstrated an absolutely devastating left hand throughout this one.

And since I'm not consistent with what I say, along with a mix of mild autism, ADD and a very short attention span saw me spiral on a path of watching Chacón/Argüello and various Manny Pacquiao demolition jobs. Chacón did well, especially early on but Argüello let him do his things then caught him off guard with a blistering round which and forced a cuts stoppage.
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Rd. AA : AE
1. 10 : 9
2. 10 : 9
3. 10 : 9
4. 10 : 8 (40-35)
5. 10 : 7
6. 10 : 9
7. 10 : 9
8. 9 : 10 (79-70)
9. 10 : 9
10. 10 : 9
11. 10 : 9
12. 10 : 9 (

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Thanks bro! And yep, agree with you on this - first was more competitive but this had more drama. I'll dig out my scorecard as my memory of it is that I had Escalera rallying at the time of the decisive knockdown in the 13th.

EDIT: Found it

 

Milton McCrory v Colin Jones I

Round 1: 10-9 MM
Round 2: 10-9 MM
Round 3: 10-9 MM
Round 4: 10-9 MM
Round 5: 10-9 MM
Round 6: 10-9 MM
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 MM
Round 9: 10-9 Jones
Round 10: 10-9 Jones
Round 11: 10-9 Jones
Round 12: 10-9 Jones

Total: 116-113 McCrory

Actual scores were 116-114 Jones, 116-113 McCrory and 115-115 Draw for a 12 round Draw. Y'know, I liked Jones and always cheered for him, but he was infuriating to watch. He threw strictly one punch at a time. No combos, one jab, one right hook, one left hook. It was hard to be a fan of his. I knew Curry was going to rip him up, but he had a chance against McCrory, if he could have only strung a couple of punches together.

 

Newest mashup, if anyone would care to score, I would care to read them

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Bowe-Holyfield 1

Closet classic between two little known heavyweights. This Holyfield character had some heart, didn't he?! And I wonder what happened to Bowe - he should have gone on to greater things!

Joking aside, this is a terrific fight that I don't think I've watched since the early/mid 90s. The score doesn't really reflect the competitiveness. Bowe was just that bit too big and strong for Holyfield who showed his legendary resilience in the classic 10th round and again the following round. If there was any doubt before that over who was winning, that was eradicated in those rounds.

Bowe never looked this good or focussed again and that's a reason I don't generally consider him a great heavyweight, but on this night he certainly was.

1 9-10
2 10-9 (cracking action)
3 10-9 (excellent from Bowe)
4 10-9 (closer)
5 9-10 (close)
6 10-9
7 10-9
8 9-10 (close)
9 10-9
10 10-9 (classic round!)
11 10-8 (Bowe drops Holy early)
12 10-10
Bowe 117-111 Holyfield