the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. Zulawski

    Zulawski The Fistic Pariah Full Member

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    Watched McCallum-Kalambay I & II. McCallum went from trying to go straight at Kalambay and losing a lot of exchanges on the counter to just probing and working off of Kalambay's counters. After Kalambay got stopped by Leonard, it was apparent he'd be the one who would have to back down in longer exchanges. Love seeing a guy figure stuff out in a rematch. Of course, it was still a close match. Couple of legends.
     
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  2. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    George, here is a Griffith fight you may like.

    Emile Griffith v Isaac Logart from MSG. Scoring on NY's round basis.

    Round 1: Griffith
    Round 2: Griffith
    Round 3: Griffith
    Round 4: Logart
    Round 5: Griffith
    Round 6: Even
    Round 7: Even
    Round 8: Logart
    Round 9: Griffith
    Round 10: Griffith

    Total: 6-2-2 Griffith

    First of all, this was a very hot Griffith in '61 and a past his best Logart. Logart's prime would've been ca. '55-'57, but he had a ton of experience to give Griff a hard time, which he did. When they fought on the outside it was beauty. Griffith had a busy jab followed by a sweet straight right. Logart on the other hand, had one very subtle and sneaky left hook which he caught Griffith with many times coming in. But the fight was mired in what some may call infighting, but in this instance, bordered on mauling. So that took a bit of the edge off it for me. still, I enjoyed the fight with two talented practioners in there. Incidentally, actual scores were 5-3-2 and 7-3 for Griffith and a 5-5 draw.
     
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  3. George Crowcroft

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    1960-02-12, Non Title fight

    Harry Ebbets 1-8
    Artie Aidala 7-3
    Bill Recht 8-1
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    Griffith was excellent here. As hot as soup; guy couldn't have been more prime if he tried. Furthermore, Ortega was probably the perfect opponent to shine against. He was limited enough to not be an issue, but not enough to write off the win, he was tough enough to hang in there, but not enough to be an issue, he was brave enough for it to be entertaining, but not enough to be successful.
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    Rd. EG : GO
    1. 1 : 0
    2. 1 : 0
    3. 1 : 0
    4. 1 : 0
    5. 0 : 1 (4-1)
    6. 1 : 0
    7. 0 : 0
    8. 1 : 0
    9. 1 : 0
    10. 1 : 0 (
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  4. George Crowcroft

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    1956-09-12, Undisputed WW Title

    Al Berl 7-1
    Harold Barnes 7-1
    Frank Forbes 7-1
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    Vintage Basilio... Lots of action, tough ass chin and some nice skills to boot. This was an awesome fight, and obviously in the legendary 5 years run of FOTYs that Basilio would find himself in.

    Yeah, I know I said I'd be doing the FOTF and watching Griffith but I have a teeny tiny attention span.
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    Rd. CB : JS
    1. 10 : 9
    2. 9 : 10
    3. 10 : 9
    4. 10 : 9
    5. 10 : 9
    6. 10 : 9
    7. 10 : 9
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  5. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    George, have you seen the first fight between Basilio and Saxton? Very controversial. I'll add my scorecard momentarily, but here is the writeup on the fight.


    Carmen Basilio vs. Johnny Saxton (1st meeting)

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    Carmen Basilio 146 lbs lost to Johnny Saxton 147 lbs by UD in round 15 of 15
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    • The odds favored Basilio 11 to 5.
    • The crowd of 12,145 generated a gate of $104,288.
    • The United Press polled ringside reporters after the fight: 11 had Basilo winning and 7 had Saxton winning.
    • For more than five minutes, the crowd booed the decision. The roars were reminiscent of when Saxton won the welterweight title from Kid Gavilan in 1954. [1]
    "Johnny Saxton recaptured the world welterweight championship tonight with an effective hit-and-run tactic that won a unanimous 15 round decision over Carmen Basilio. Many of the fans apparently resented not only the verdict against Basilio, but also the work of referee Frankie Gilmer, who broke the fighters from clinches too often in the judgement of Basilio supporters. Although Basilio forced the fighting in every round against Saxton, it was Johnny's left jabs, left hooks and combinations of punches in the exchanges that won the votes of the three officials. There were no knockdowns, but Saxton was knocked back onto his heels four times in the 2nd round with rights and lefts to the head. Although Saxton was less noted as a puncher, he drove Carmen onto his heels several times in the 11th, 12th and 13th rounds." -United Press

    • Unofficial UP scorecard - 145-142 Basilio
    • Unofficial AP scorecard - 145-142 Saxton
    • Purses - Each fighter received 30% of the net gate and 30% of Radio/TV for a total of $39,902 for each fighter.
    • The U.S. government immediately filed a notice of levy with Saxton and the IBC for the amount of $17,875.37 on Saxton's purse due to back taxes owed them from Saxton's manager Blinky Palermo. Saxton argued Palermo had nothing to do with this purse and that he was acting as his own manager because Palermo held no license in Illinois or New York.
     
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    Carmen Basilio v Johnny Saxton I

    Saw this about 2 years ago. Need to rewatch again, but this is what I wrote:

    Always wanted to see this one. My Dad attended this one in Chicago Stadium and always said Basilio was robbed. The film is not too shabby at all. Here we go.

    Round 1: 10-9 Basilio
    Round 2: 10-9 Basilio
    Round 3: 10-9 Basilio
    Round 4: 10-9 Basilio
    Round 5: 10-9 Basilio
    Round 6: 10-10 Even
    Round 7: 10-10 Even
    Round 8: 10-9 Saxton
    Round 9: 10-10 Even
    Round 10: 10-9 Basilio
    Round 11: 10-9 Saxton
    Round 12: 10-9 Saxton
    Round 13: 10-9 Saxton
    Round 14: 10-9 Basilio
    Round 15: 10-9 Basilio

    Total: 146-142 Basilio

    Dad was right. I believe Basilio's bodywork had to be ignored in this one for the judges to go unanimously for Saxton.
     
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  7. salsanchezfan

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    Love Basilio. Watching this today if I can break away.
     
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    Daniel Geale SD12 Sebastian Sylvester

    Geale is fascinating to me. He's like a cookie-cutter trained fighter. Like a fighter who underwent a standard training programme from a fine a fine trainer, but who failed to emerge as a talent. Quick but not fasts. Stinging but not powerful. Organised but non-dynamic. So he just sort of deploys himself and then we see what happens. It's an odd one.

    He has more than enough for Sylvester though. Body shots are good, he's operating a jab at range and freewheeling at mid-range sans-jab to great advantage. Strategically, it's good. Great. Optimal strategy i'd say. Sylvester has a jab of his own though, and it's clear he's not going away.

    The real difference here is that Geale has the third punch and Sylvester does not. It's single shots for Sylvester and although he has some good ones, if he's countering, he's often being re-countered. Those add up.

    Geale's work rate and stamina are demonstrated elite here. That car for Sylvester is a bad one.

    Sylvester impressed me there. He kept good pressure on and he didn't go away when he was getting hit. But he doesn't deserve the split.

    Geale:1,2,6,7,8,9,10,11
    Sylvester:3,4,5,12
     
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    Probably my favorite Basilio effort. The way he alternates his attack between the head and body and mixes his shots up is the sign of a high ring IQ. He wasn't just a face-first mauler.
     
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    Just watched a wonderful fight for the WBO light-flyweight title between Alex Sanchez and Nelson Dieppa. Definitly one of the best I've seen at that weight, skillful war of attrition, loved every second of it !
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  11. Zulawski

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    Page-Coetzee: Tons of weird stuff in this one. Page bumrushing Coetzee before his corner was out of the ring. Coetzee trying to pretend he was looking at his corner to bait Page into walking into something. Page just looked like the bigger puncher. Longer jab. Better reflexes.

    Page-Douglas: Buster looked great here. Way quicker hands and feet. Page was trying to swat a fly in the dark.

    Snipes-Berbick: Back and forth brawl from what exists on tape. Not much daylight between the two. Berbick just seemed more durable.

    Snipes-Cotezee: Coetzee got robbed. Snipes couldn't do anything but try to turn it into a war. Again Snipes looked eager but fragile. Coetzee outboxed him for long stretches. Deeper inside game.
     
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    Evander Holyfield v Michael Dokes

    Terrific back and forth struggle with Holyfield showing his championship credentials at heavyweight against a seriously game and on-it Dokes (on-it as in focused rather than on drugs in this case).

    Holyfield was generally just that bit busier but when he let his hands go Dokes put together lightening combos, he just didn't have Holyfield's stamina to keep up the momentum.

    1 10-9
    2 10-9
    3 9-10
    4 10-9
    5 10-9 (Holyfield just a bit busier)
    6 9-9 (Dokes deserved the round but got a point deduction)
    7 10-9
    8 10-10 (Holyfield comes back in the way that only Holyfield can after Dokes gives him an early pasting - great stuff)
    9 9-10 (close)
    (87-84)
    10 Holyfield TKO Dokes
     
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    Michael Gomez v Alex Arthur

    All-British slugfest in which the unfancied Gomez takes out favourite Arthur in a vicious assault. Neither of them left anything in the ring and were trying to cause each other maximum damage.

    Arthur wouldn't quit even after being dropped hard twice and the third knockdown was as conclusive as you could hope for, although the ref was trying to stop the fight as Arthur was on his way down. A British classic and worth 20 minutes of anyone's time.

    1 10-9
    2 9-10
    3 10-9 (nearly made that a 10-8 to Gomez - he battered Arthur around the ring. A few more seconds of that and the ref would have stopped it)
    4 10-10 (even better than the previous round - Gomez starts it like he finished the previous round but Arthur comes back and hammers him before Gomez returns the favour but so does Arthur)
    (39-38)
    5 Gomez TKO Arthur
     
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  14. George Crowcroft

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    Scored this one, myself, Jel.
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    25/10/2003, Britain SFW Title
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    Fast pace tear up between two Brits, and it was an absolute classic! Awesome combo to get the finish, Michael was clearly pretty talented. Shame how much he squandered it.

    The action was mental. Round 4 especially, and had Gomez not got the stoppage, I imagine the fight's momentum would've further ebbed and flowed like it did.
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    1. 10 : 9
    2. 9 : 10
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    Personal Notes -
    • What the **** was up with Gomez's shorts? They look like shiy ¾ length trackies from Sport's Direct or somet.
    • Complete ****ing disgrace that Gomez didn't go for the name "The Hammerin' Manc". They even fought similarly!
     
  15. George Crowcroft

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    1988-10-26, Commonwealth MW Title
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    God Damn! Another all British classic, albeit a short one. A perfect example of the ol' cliché which surrounds Benn, the "most dangerous whilst hurt" cliché. It really was true, and testimony to Benn's massive heart. This was a damn fun 5 minutes.
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    Round 1: Logan 10-8, clear. Phew!!! What a round! Benn coming out in typical, nasty fashion; winging hooks and looking for a devastating KO early. But Logan wasn't having it, he moved away early and T'd off with Benn before backing off and trying to land something long. After 2 minutes or so of this hard fought strategy, he landed what he was looking for and dropped Nige with a dynamite 1-2. Once Benn got up, Logan looked for a stoppage himself but Benn fought back bravely and seemingly stunned Logam whilst they traded, frantically.

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    Logan attacking, landing somet like 25 clean shots and having Benn reelling. Then out of nowhere Benn lands some freak left hook which puts Logan down and out for the count. Awesome ****.
     
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