the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Julio Cesar Chavez vs Dwight Pratchett

    JCC : Pratchett

    1: 9 - 10
    Feel out round. Chavez struggling.
    2: 10 - 10
    Chavez effective inside, but still looks lethargic.
    3: 10 - 9
    Chavez beginning to beat the body
    4: 10 - 9
    Chavez beginning to get his measure now, timing wise.
    5: 10 - 8 (-1 Pratchett)
    Chavez landing big left hooks.
    6: 10 - 9
    Great inside fight.
    7: 10 - 9
    Pratchett not giving in and going after Chavez.
    8: 10 - 9
    Pratchett seriously hurt here.
    9: 10 - 9
    Pratchett has little left.
    10: 10 - 9
    Practhett showing a lions heart. Lopsided and unneeded.
    11: 10 - 9
    Corner should've really pulled him out.
    12: 10 - 9
    Pratchett very hurt again.

    TOTAL: 119 - 107 CHAVEZ

    Notes:
    • Pratchett too tough for his own good. He was competitive at first until near the 7th, then it was just a mercilles beating.
    • Pratchett the first man to take Chavez 12 rounds.
     
  2. roughdiamond

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    Julio Cesar Chavez vs Faustino Barrios

    JCC : Barrios

    1: 9 - 10
    Chavez feeling out - caught with a big right from Barrios.
    2: 10 - 9
    Chavez adapting - getting his inside uppercut in.
    3: 10 - 9
    Chavez piling it on whilst grazing of Barrios' shots.
    4: 10 - 9
    Barrios really trying but he is hurt and outclassed.
    5: TKO
    Barrios overwhelmed, stopped in corner.

    Notes:
    • Barrios was very game, and very strong, but he couldn't overcome the wall that was Chavez.
    • Study worthy fight for Chavez's pressure footwork.
     
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    Julio Cesar Chavez vs Refugio Rojas

    JCC : Rojas

    1: 9 - 10
    Rojas just getting those shots in.
    2: 10 - 9
    Chavez taking it with his later bodywork, but struggling.
    3: 10 - 9
    Chavez taking the momentum.
    4: 10 - 9
    Chavez grinding Rojas now.
    5: 10 - 8
    Chavez just walking through Rojas, hurting and flooring him.
    6: 10 - 8
    Brutal left hook.
    7: TKO
    Rojas with a hail Mary attack before he gets broken down.

    Notes:
    • Chavez had nor respect for Rojas, and Rojas never stopped strying. Nasty fight
    • Distinct lack of jab from Chavez here.
     
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  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I had this 117-113 for Chavez. I enjoyed that fight. Have you seen Chavez-LaPorte? LaPorte probably never fought better in his career.
     
  5. Jel

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    Bobby Chacon v Rafael Limon 2

    What was building into a compelling contest was stopped after two clashes of heads, one in the 6th that opened a significant cut on the face of Limon and then another in the 7th which brought the termination of the fight by the doctor.

    Neither fighter was very happy at the end with both fighters and corners showing animosity towards each other.

    1 10-9
    2 10-9 (close)
    3 9-10 (close)
    4 9-10
    5 10-9
    6 10-9
    (58-56)
    7 Stopped due to clash of heads (technical draw)
     
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  6. McGrain

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    Austin Trout UD12 Miguel Cotto

    Cotto is a wonderful fighter and he's only in great fights. I'd suggest that here Trout needs to make sure it's not great. Let's see.

    Trout finds his rhythm straight away, limber dropping his southapw jab to the gut. Cotto content to jab his way in, jabbing with the jabber, good method, busy with that left hand, trout trying to establish his right to the gut. Trout good and slippy on the ropes, finds his way back to the centre. Good first round. Trout maybe by a whisker.

    Good bodywork from both men; Trout doing better in the transient squabbles (between ranges) than I thought he might.

    Trout is doing really well along the ropes. He feints, he retreats in an organised way, he hasn't missed a step out yet but nor has he gone too early, leaving himself open to the opportunity attack. It's good. Dip and slip from Trout is good too. Cotto maybe just shades the third with a good left hook upstairs on bell, all rounds are close but it is Trout who controls the action. Cotto must excel to win a round. He does this though in the third and fourth to even things up on my card. Too good not to be "in" this.

    Trout's first minute in the fifth is the best minute had by either fighter. The round then gets bitty again, with the mini-momentums swinging back and forth. Cotto does better later. Hard. I gave Cotto a fascinating sixth where the Puerto Rican turns boxer, mobile, going backwards, counter-rushing, fascinating round, fascinating fight. I have it all square after six, good fight.

    Trout looked ragged in the seventh and drops it clean. Beautiful eighth from Trout, close again, but Trout won that round, even the good right hand Cotto scored, Trout was riding it. A very good ninth from Cotto though. He's never out of it. Got caught low here, had a bad first minute, boxed in an organised fashion and I actually think out-landed Trout for the first time. There's a lesson here for Cotto - he's done well twice on his bike.

    This superb fight will be decided in the final three rounds - Trout needs two for victory on my card, Cotto needs all three. BIzarre round, the tenth. Cotto may have outlanded Trout again but Trout is landing the more impressive, impactful looking punches, clean uppercuts, I think Trout won that round. These rounds are so so close.

    Trout wins the eleventh clean though. Trout made him miserable, followed him, caught up to him with ease, caught him with ease, looked the bigger man. Fight is all wrapped up for me. Trout continues to stalk him into the twelfth; he dominates until Cotto catches him with a stinging uppercut.

    What a wonderful, wonderful fight. I had seven rounds arguable, which is insane, 4-1 to Trout in cleanly won rounds.

    Catch this one if you haven't. I must have missed it first time round because I don't remember how good this is. Boy was I wrong about Trout needing to make it poor to win. Outstanding.

    Cotto:3,4,6,9,
    Trout:1,2,5,7,8,10,11,12

    116-112 Trout.
     
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  7. Jel

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    Emile Griffith v Luis Rodriguez 4

    Four fights over 55 rounds, three ending in spit decisions and not a sniff of a knockdown; watching and scoring this series has felt a bit like reading an important literary tome - you know you should finish it to say that you've made it to the end but it's hard to pretend it's been an enjoyable experience.

    Rodriguez lost this fight and the overall series 3-1 but can consider himself unlucky. I scored all 4 fights to him. My feeling on the fourth fight is that Rodriguez deserved the win as I felt he made the fight. Griffith was too passive and reactive to what Rodriguez was doing and didn't take the initiative enough.

    That said, I don't feel there was a very clear superiority for one fighter in any of the fights. These were really tough fights to score, with lots of broken passages due to holding, and so many close and scrappy rounds that it became redundant to comment on it so a wide divergence in scoring is reasonable to expect here... but I feel Rodriguez should have at least had an equal share of the wins in the series - 3-1 overall is harsh on him.

    1 10-9 (close)
    2 10-10
    3 9-10 (close, hard fight to score)
    4 9-10 (ditto)
    5 9-10
    6 10-9 (close)
    7 10-10 (horrible fight to score)
    8 9-10
    9 10-9
    10 9-10 (I've stopped writing 'close' because every round is contentious)
    11 9-10
    12 10-9 (yeah, it was close. Yeah, it could have gone the other way)
    13 9-10
    14 10-9 (furious pace)
    15 9-10 (Rodriguez keeps the pace up and takes the round well)

    Griffith 142-145 Rodriguez

    I had Rodriguez ahead 8-5 in rounds on my card with 2 even.
     
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  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I had it 71-65 on the 5 point must scoring used or 9-3-3 for Rodriguez. I had given Rodriguez the 3rd round but one point was deducted by the ref from his score, so I had that round ending up as a 4-4 even round. Never saw how anyone could come up with Griffith as the winner.
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I'd love to comment boys, but I've only see the first fight. I thought it was either a Rodriguez win, or a draw though. Looks like Rodriguez was definitely shortchanged at some point.
     
  10. George Crowcroft

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    Round 1: Even 10-10, swing.
    Round 2: Rossman 10-9, close.
    Round 3: Rossman 10-9, clear.
    Round 4: Galíndez 10-9, swing.
    Round 5: Galíndez 10-9, clear. 48/48 Even
    Round 6: Galíndez 10-9, clear.
    Round 7: Galíndez 10-9, clear.
    Round 8: Galíndez 10-9, close.
    Round 9: Galíndez 10-9, clear.

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    First few were close tactical rounds, where the reach and freshness of Rossman let him get the better of things, but at the end of the 4th it heated up and the real action started. VG changed his style and started going on offence more and more, but still taking his time to sit back and counter attack before pouncing in with hooks. Rossman was consistently stunned through the mid rounds, and gradually lost his early lead. Round 9 was a walkover.

    He broke his hand? I wonder when, that could've made for a decent rubbermatch if Galíndez kept it together (and survived) after the Johnson fight.

    Loving watching Victor recently. Amazing skills, awesome, adaptable style and really fun to watch. Fine achievement, this fight too. The first man to win back the LHW title? Good job. :thumbsup:
     
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  11. Jel

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    Ah, I hadn't realised about the point deduction in round 3 so that would make my card 144-142 (7-5 in rounds) to Rodriguez.
     
  12. Jel

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    I can't truly recommend them as exciting spectacles to be honest.
     
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  13. George Crowcroft

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    I found the first one fun. No-one ever said anything good about the 2nd tho.
     
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  14. Jel

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    Yeah, the second is the worst of the 4. I think the first is probably the best, but that might be because it's only 10 rounds!
     
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  15. McGrain

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    Julian Williams UD12 Jarrett Hurd.

    The result here was a bit of a shock. Williams had previously been stopped by Jermall Charlo and was not expected to turn over Hurd, then ranked the #1 light-middleweight in the world. Hurd had the reach, height and home advantage but Williams got the job done anyway.

    Williams has one of those crouching, "i'm waiting for stances", standing through the backfoot, looking for the southpaw jab. Combined with Hurd's tendency for a slow start this is going to make for a dull opener. Williams wants to be the sphere of influence though. He takes that crouch right up to Hurd's punching range and takes the best of the round based upon the aggression and following Hurd into a corner with some punches early doors. Jab looks better despite the reach deficit, too.

    Inside firefight in the second! They get up close and exchanges punches in the pocket early. Williams looks busier and happier here; very nice for him to have solved the Hurd reach advantage once in each round in different fashions. Speaks for his chances here. Hurd does look a bit bigger and stronger though, that might tell too. Williams' shorter arms make him look faster on the inside and he is doing well exploding out of the pocket. Williams even lets Hurd hold his gloves then when he works, he works harder - and drops Hurd with an uncommonly wide left hand that winged across Hurd's scalp. Hurd unhurt, but that's a point. Assuming no further KDs, Hurd is in a bind now - his opponent only needs four of the remaining ten rounds.

    This is a very good fight. I gave Hurd the third, fifth and sixth. Fifth and sixth could have gone either direction, very close. They are in the proverbial phonebox and it's good action throughout. Interesting choice by both men this. Can't wait for the second half. Williams move outside and they swap hard shots, Hurd stalking now, Williams still moving very well - he is the man with the choices, Hurd just has to stalk.

    Nightmare, Hurd seems to have something in his eye, maybe vaseline, first minute doesn't go well for him. Can't overstate what a disaster that is for Hurd after the momentum he built in winning the sixth and seventh. Hurd also got hit low in the eighth and the ref missed it. So Williams has stopped the developing rot. Williams needs one of the last four for me.

    Hard shots swapped at the beginning of the ninth; Hurd was cut at some point in the eighth. Hurd looks tired in the tenth. That sneaky bodywork. Still, this is surprising: Hurd works hard late and holds his power late. But Williams looks like the man with the better gas tank right now. Williams is out-and-out kicking the crap out of him down the stretch.

    Outstanding from Williams. Superb, clever, snapping performance. 115-112.

    Hurd:3,5,6,7,
    Williams:1,2*,4,8,9,10,11,12

    *Hurd down.