the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Nishioka did run a round a bit but I did like the back and forth in many of the rounds, close but decisive win for Sahaprom overall.

 

I watched Lupe Pintor-Carlos Zarate. I scored it 142-142. At the time, the decision for Pintor was a huge controversy with a lot of observers having Zarate winning by a mile. I watched it at the time it happened, although I knew little about boxing way back then.

Looking at it now, I think Zarate wasn't busy enough. Pintor was no ball of fire either, but there were a lot of rounds where Zarate was just standing around while Pintor popped his head back with sharp jabs and caught him with some good left hooks.

Zarate seemed to wake up late, winning 12, 13 and 14 on my card. Looking at it now, it was very close and could have gone either way.

 

That was Joichiro Tatsuyoshi, a legend in Japanese boxing and one of my all time favourites, both H2H and for his life story and sheer will. A fiery, skilled, precocious talent. Fought, and lost, to Sahaphrom twice, though he was way past his best, despite his low number of fights (very fast tracked), with absolutely ****ed eyes.

I would highly recommend watching his title winning performance against Greg Richardson, or his absolute war and incredible redemption story, and 3rd title regain, against Sirmongkol Singwancha. Honestly, I'd recommend the guys entire career.

 

I had it for Zarate by two points, but this is reasonable too. The business people spout about "robbery" is silly and reeks of parroting something they read in a magazine years ago that they feel the need to carry on so it appears to others they're well-versed in history. I've never seen a scorecard from any of those types of course.

 

I was scrounging around youtube to see what is available and found the Alexis Arguello v Lionel Hernandez featherweight title go. I will assume this is the 10 point must system in place. Not sure but it is what it is.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Arguello
Round 3: 10-9 Hernandez
Round 4: 10-9 Arguello
Round 5: 10-9 Arguello
Round 6: 10-9 Arguello
Round 7: 10-9 Arguello
Round 8: Arguello drops Hernandez and the referee intervenes on Arguello's followup

Arguello is as methodical as ever. His jab is popping all night and by the 8th Hernandez is cut on the right eye and badly swollen on the left, before Arguello shifts to the next gear. Always a joy to watch.

 

I should've mentioned when talking about Hernandez that he was truly a favorite son of the WBA garnering himself no less than 4 title shots from them. Moreover, he even received a WBC title shot once. Man, the money that was coming out of Venezuela at the time was something. He could do no wrong, and even if he did, they'd still get him a title shot.

 

Yeah, I scored this 144-142 to Zarate iirc but the controversy was down to one particular card that was down to appalling arithmetic rather than corrupt scoring, I believe. But this was not a robbery by any means.

 

George Groves versus James DeGale

Had another look at this the other day. Obviously was quite controversial at the time, with essentially everyone arguing it was very, very close, regardless of which way you had it. Their amateur fight was close, this one was close, and opinions on who ended up having the better professional career overall are pretty close. Two very evenly matched fighters. So it was perhaps fitting that when the fight happened in 2011, I had it a draw on the night.

This time, I ended up with 116-114 in Groves' favour. Not a world of difference, but some interesting new thoughts as I watched it.

* While it doesn't necessarily mean he lost the fight itself, DeGale definitely lost the tactical battle here. He clearly expected a more adventurous and aggressive Groves, but once Groves started boxing cagily he never really adapted throughout the fight. He looked really poor and predictable for long spells, ineffectively just following him around rather than cutting the ring off.

* Also kept wading after him without initiating the exchanges, or jabbing his way in. Bizarre, he did this round after round. A green light for Groves to get a couple of shots off (even if they weren't particularly eye-catching) and get safely out of trouble.

* DeGale improved from the 9th round onwards. Upped his work rate, closed the gap, enticed a few countering opportunities by forcing Groves to be busier with his shots.

* DeGale, despite looking toothless for the most part, did do some cute defensive stuff in close on the few occasions the punches were flying.

* Hardly any inside fighting, despite the referee usually giving them some time to punch out of the clinches before he had to step in and break them. In the very few inside exchanges which occurred, DeGale tended to be the better man.

* While DeGale gifted away plenty of early rounds, Groves ran the risk of being too cagey and negative in some of the middle and latter ones.

* DeGale was very lucky not to lose a point for repeated fouls. He was warned once for a shoulder barge, and then two more times for blatant use of the elbow / forearm.

Rounds 2, 3, 4, 5, 7 and 10 to Groves. Rounds 1, 6, 8 and 9 to DeGale. Much to my surprise, I had the last two rounds both as 10-10s. Both of those last two rounds were scrappy and I really felt no inkling either way. I thought DeGale would go more hell for leather in the twelfth than he did, too. My overall impression was either a draw or a narrow win for Groves, those last two rounds making the difference. Though it was close, I'm not quite sure I could come up with a DeGale win outright, although curiously two rounds which he did win (1 and 9) were arguably the clearest or most impressive of the fight.

Forgettable fight, really, and you can see here that neither of these guys were anywhere near the finished product, still making some very amateur mistakes. But a good learning experience for the pair.

 

Feeling frisky, so I'm watching some Naoto Takahashi. Not scoring, it's more entertaining to just soak it in, but since it's all amazing and pretty rare, he's the film's I found.

@roughdiamond, this is right up your alley, isn't it?

Mark Horikoshi

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Visan Thummong/Noree Jockygym 1

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Visan Thummong/Noree Jockygym 2

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Mitsuo Imazato 1

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Mitsuo Imazato 2

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Tons of useful info and footage on here too if you can get the link to work.
https://www.asianboxing.info/videos/category/naoto-takahashi

 

Nice one mate. I’ll definatly watch a good few of his fights.

 

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2018-09-24,

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Fly Title

Zoltan Enyedi 116-112
Danrex Tapdasan 115-113
Don Trella 114-114

Round 1: Tanaka 10-9, clear.
Round 2: Tanaka 10-9, swing.
Round 3: Tanaka 10-9, close.
Round 4: Tanaka 10-9, clear.
Round 5: Kimura 10-9, close.
Round 6: Kimura 10-9, clear.
Round 7: Kimura 10-9, swing.
Round 8: Tanaka 10-9, swing.
Round 9: Tanaka 10-9, clear.
Round 10: Kimura 10-9, close.
Round 11: Tanaka 10-9, swing.
Round 12: Tanaka 10-9, close.

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1980-02-02,

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FW Title

Lou Filippo 119-110
Chuck Hassett 118-111
Jorge L Velasco 120-108
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I had it

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, I didn't see a genuine case for Lopez taking anything. I thought rounds 2, 6 were the most competitive, and the ones you could argue for Lopez at a push. Like I said though, I can't see it. Stoppage was completely fine, very merciful from the ref.

As a guy who likes both, but isn't a big fan of either, I have to say that this is a weird watch from an attachment standpoint. One the one hand, it's awesome to watch an ATG dismantle and piece the sitting champion, and show off just how good he is and win the title. But on the other hand, it's quite morbid to watch one or the bravest men to ever set foot in the ring get absolutely thrashed, have his face torn apart and can't do anything about it.

Nothing you can really compliment from Little Red, aside from his attitude. He never gave up, bless him.

Chava, though? Jesus, what a performance. The guy showed his amazing footwork and counter-punching, as well as his top notch defence. However, he did get hit flush a few times, and when you're getting hit by Danny Lopez flush, and not even flinching, you're packing something truly special. He showed underrated power, and on the whole, a very complete skillset. Guy was a wizard.

 

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1981-08-21,

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FW Title

Henry Elespuru 67-66
Duane Ford 67-65
Chuck Minker 67-65
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Round 1: Sánchez 10-8, clear.
Round 2: Gómez 10-9, close.
Round 3: Sánchez 10-9, close.
Round 4: Gómez 10-9, close.
Round 5: Gómez 10-9, close.
Round 6: Sánchez 10-9, close.
Round 7: Sánchez 10-9, close.
Round 8: Sánchez TKO

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'The Battle of The Little Giants'. An apt name.

Gomez win a couple, but was ultimately out-classed. He ended up with a ****ed face too, something Sánchez seemed to specialise in giving people.

To be honest, I find this win a little overrated. Not saying it isn't a great win, but Gómez was never a featherweight. He was in over his head from the get-go, but he is an ATG and should be treated as such, Sánchez ruined his aura, and smashed him to pieces.

 

Continuing my love affair with Frankie Warren fights, I checked out his bout with Sammy Fuentes.

Round 1: 10-9 Fuentes
Round 2: 10-9 Warren
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Warren
Round 5: 10-9 Warren
Round 6: 10-9 Warren
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-8 Warren (The ref deducts one point from Fuentes for a low blow. The announcers didn't mention it, but he clearly is deducting a point on the video)
Round 9: 10-9 Warren
Round 10: 10-9 Warren

Total: 99-92 Warren (actual scores are 98-92 twice for Warren and 95-93 for Fuentes)

I would not discount that score for Fuentes because this was very tight and I can see a score going the other direction. Warren slathers Fuentes with punches but Sammy picks off a lot on his arms. If Sammy was busier or got off those ropes, he would have had better success. Still, a good fight.

 

Haven’t watched it in some time but my memory is that, for all the ballyhoo, Gomez got himself back into the fight (maybe I gave him one or both of those close rounds you gave SS in 6-7) before Sal lowered the boom.

I watched Hagler-Minter again, haha. Had Marvin up 2-0 before he destroyed Alan’s face and the Brits started a soccer riot after it was stopped due to all the cuts on Frankenstein’s face. He was nearing 10-8 territory in the third when the doc stepped in and told the Brits to put Humpty Dumpty together again to try another day.

Not exactly taxing scoring. I just wanted to see some vintage MMH and I hadn’t seen this since it originally aired.