the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

The only setback for Pirog is that he's already getting old and has apparent difficulty getting fights. If not for that, he should certainly be a factor in the weak middleweight division.

 

I've heard he is being considered an opponent for Sergio Martinez, which would be great. Dzinziruk is another fighter who is getting old without having gotten the opportunities to show what he is made of, he turns 35 soon, but he has one of the best jabs in boxing today which should allow him to go on for a few more years. A pair of ex-light middleweights in their mid 30's could very well dominate the middleweight landscape for the next few years, if Dzinziruk gets the shot at Martinez that is.

 

Eubank - Benn I. Reminded me of the good old days when it seemed as if the world stopped turning for a big British contest. Had Eubank a round or two ahead when he ended it.

Eubank really was a hate figure back in the 90s, the public loathed him. Benn, on the other hand, was a really hot ticket for a couple of years, especially after the McClellan fight a few years later. It was the same sort of time that Eubank's career began to falter; he got very lucky with at least three or four decisions, Thompson, Close etc. Overall the public were pretty happy that though Eubank came out on top between the two of them, it was Benn who was probably judged to have had the more icareer.

Later, if I get chance, it will be Wright v Vargas, see how iffy this decision really was...

 

I've never seen a dull Charley Scott fight. He was in some real wars. Such a great period for welters & middlewights the late 50's, early 60's.

 

I have a few other Charley Scott fights, then to watch.

Like you say there is some real exciting fighters in that era.

 

Three fights just of late, including another viewing of the all time classic Vasquez - Marquez III, which I continue to score 113-113, with the 10th a 9-9 round. Everything good about boxing is contained within those twelve rounds. After the first two fights, where a broken nose and a premature stoppage spoiled what we shaping to be truly great bouts, the third really was a fantastic culmination to the first two. We'll be telling our grandkids about these fights. Will we see a fifth? They'd have fought twenty times if it was the 1950s.

Also, Vargas 113 - 115 Wright. Vargas didn't look fit to me. When he threw combinations he looked good, but he didn't throw very many. I don't mind if judges have it going the other way by a tight margin, but one maniac had Vargas 116-112. Lederman had it the same as me but with some variance in who won which round. It was one of those fights.

Similarly, I had De La Hoya 113-114 Quartey. Can't argue that De La Hoya got the decision in the end, but 116-112 one judge had it!!

Oh, and I also watched a crazy contest between Matthew Saad Muhammad (then Franklin) and Richie Kates. It's on Youtube so go and watch it! :thumbsup

 

Jose Stable W10 Curtis Cokes

A cracking wee scrap this one, mateys. Well worth the watch, and up on Youtube for any who wish to do so.

Stable had one hell of a confounding style. I don't think I've ever seen one to match it. A lot of bob and weave, herky jerky, upper-body oriented movement used to fire off punches from odd angles while making for a constantly moving target. Ideally suited to dealing with the more up-right, lesser imaginative types perhaps.

In Cokes you had the long, lanky stand-up boxer-puncher with a sharp jab and the dynamite right hand. A zero-in-on-the-target type that would seem ideally suited to taking advantage of the more unorthodox, technically faulty types.

So, in essence, you have a very interesting, anyone's-guess mesh of styles here.

It starts off with Stable using this unorthodox movement to catch Cokes off-guard with leaping hooks and rights, while Cokes does his best to time him with the jab. It isn't until the second round where things really start to get under way once Cokes manages to time Stable's movements with the aforementioned 1-2 from hell, stunning him and allowing Cokes to get off some good shots with Stable's back to the ropes. Stable manages to overcome the barrage and ride out the round before pouncing like a lion for this injustice in round 3.

This is where things really started to get interesting, with Stable believing himself to have gauged the formidable distance carved out by Cokes's immense proportions and attempting to take full advantage of it. Cokes typically starts out the rounds looking to jab, but is at times forced to resign himself to counter-punching, as Stable's erratic movement and punching style makes it almost impossible for him to pump a steady jab at. He definitely does his piece, landing plenty of chopping right hands and left hooks, but is just seemingly out-worked by Stable's constant barrage of unorthodox bolo-style hooks and uppercuts to the head and body. Some excellent in-fighting in here as well. For someone as lanky and seemingly frail as Cokes, he handles himself very well in the clinch.

This fight ultimately comes down to quantity vs quality, and what you prefer. Stable was the aggressor throughout, landing a lot of shots to the head and body in combination, and outworking Cokes in most every round. However, the cleaner shots, the real zingers, were being landed by Cokes, who hurt Stable with clean right hands in both the 2nd and 9th rounds.

I believe a 5-5 draw would've been sufficient. Very interesting fight. As an aside, I think Stable may've learned something from this one, as in his very next fight with Charley Scott he really tightened up his defense, in particular his hand placement, while not straying from his herky-jerky, volume punching style.

 

I also had Stable-Cokes even. Imo Stable would have been a fantastic junior welter. He seemed a bit too small for welterweight given his stylistic proclivity.

 

Thanks for the heads-up. Excellent fight. As you said, I guess it comes down to what you prefer. I ended up preferring Cokes and had him taking it 6-4. Tough fight to score though, so no outrage here. I'd never seen Stable. He has a very unique style.

 

His very next fight with Charley Scott is available on Youtube as well I think. If it isn't, I apologise. I have that one on DVD and it's one of my favorite action fights. Stable seems to make a few defensive adjustments for that one, perhaps based on the way this one went down.

 

Yeah, it's still there, thanks. That's a McGrain production, don't know how I missed that one.

 

Anybody got scorecards for Kalule vs Gregory.