the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. Jel

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    Ah, ok - I thought it was after the fact. What did you score it?
     
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  2. George Crowcroft

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    I had it 115-113 Prograis. Although I'm not got searching for my card in the RBR.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    All you do is click on Search and put your name in the poster box, and Prograis in the search box and then tick the box that says "Search this thread only".
     
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  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Ugh finnnnnnne

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    Josh Taylor UD12 Viktor Postol

    Clash of heads in round 1, Postol probably sneaks it though with the right hand bodyshot, but Taylor moved beautifully away behind that punch, not letting Postol reach him. Postol is lively early in the second, Taylor catches him with bodyshots, and good crosses, inside, he looks for the body too, very good start to the second. He looks a superior fighter here, looks like a class above. Postol looks to hit and hold, he knows he can't wait. Josh switches, too, looking for the left hook.

    Taylor finds himself again in a fight where his opponent may be slightly technically superior but he has too many layers and places to be for that to matter. Postol shoeshines a bit early in the third, just for keeping Taylor off him, throwing something out there, rough inside, elbow to the face, lovely, Taylor moves off and circles. Postol outworks Taylor through the first half of this round, has some success to the body late in the round, Postol becomes a bit disorganised and lands a left hook that might have nicked the round, but Postol boxes well in the final fifteen seconds.

    Very good boxing in the fourth, Taylor seeking counters, both landing good punches. Taylor is circling, jousting, getting out-jousted IMO, but seeking to close the gap and land bodyshots in spells, but Postol is busier. He is off to a good start and has a good lead. Big fifth round. In fact five through seven is a huge phase for the fight.

    Good fifth, Taylor slipping and shooting for the body, feinting and shooting for the body. He needs another punch, I feel, when he swarms in, but he's won that round. Postol wins the first half of the sixth though, ironically on a right hand to the body. Taylor is making him fight at a pace though. Tough for an older fight this. And he drives him back in the last 80 seconds of that round; clear Taylor frame. So he's pulled it back, all square.

    Yeah, Taylor has set a hot pace, Postol has been forced to match it, Taylor can keep it up all night (at this point in his career...) and Postol cannot. Pressure, a booming left hand over the top, some body work, some frothy jabs, and it's a clear Taylor round up until Postol really hurts him with a surging combo and then pushes him around the ring for a spell; Postol needed that round to stop the Taylor march and he won it. Taylor comes out fleet-footed in the eighth though and uses Postols shoe shining against him, slipping and moving, getting his legs under him after the though seventh. Postol looks a little disturbed by the time the come close with a minute gone. Still, it is Postol that lands the more meaningful shots in the fight up until the last few seconds where Taylor comes on but too late. He wants to be careful now.

    Great bodywork to begin the ninth; Postol though, not going away! This is a better fight that I remember it. I don't think Taylor really wants to lose this round, that would be three in a row for Postol then and that's hard to unwind. But there appears to be no danger of that, Taylor landing bodyshots, and a crushing counter right hand as Postol, for some reason, abandons his stance and comes in square.

    Massive ninth for Taylor and he follows it up with a better tenth, dropping Postol with a hook, he has taken the fight under his wing in the ninth and tenth. Dipping and crowding Postol, warned him, scything the left hand across his man. Postol is on his heels and needs both rounds to win.

    Postol having a very good start for this round though - Taylor seems to want to rest a bit. Taylor needs to work to win fights against an operator like Postol. That dropped point has obviously disturbed him and he bringing punches and heavy pressure. Taylor hurts him towards the end of the round, but it's gone by then.

    All the marbles up for grabs in the final round once more. Big round for Taylor though he was aided by a horrible clash of heads. Definitely accidental though and didn't slow Taylor up for a second. Judges scorecards 119-108, 118-110, 117-110 are absolutely disgraceful.

    Impressive stuff this in just Taylor's fifteenth fight. Good fight.

    Postol:1,3,4,7,8,11.
    Taylor:2,5,6,9,10*,12.

    114-113 Taylor.

    *Postol down.
     
  6. Mario040481

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    Hey, this is somewhat the version I was talking about, although it is not in the 1080p it still likely looks better than the various HBO rips out there
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  7. George Crowcroft

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    After 4: I had it exactly the same as last time. 3-1 for Rougarou. All 4 rounds were close though, make no mistake. Prograis was just a bit more active, but Taylor was landing clean and hard, to his credit, making them close and the short hooks he specialised in for the 2nd round, won it for him, IMO.

    4-8: Lovely right hook, from Taylor, punctuates and steals a close 5th round. Taylor taking the 6th narrowly, short hooks and bodywork on the inside takes it for Taylor, although Regis is out-jabbing him. EVEN 3-3. More aggression from Josh in the 7th, winning on activity and making Regis look really uncomfortable. Wonderful jab from Regis still. 8th was a weird one, lots of wonderful defence from Prograis but lazy straight shots and he looked a bit sloppy, Taylor looking much more comfortable though, but Regis narrowly takes it imo. Regis also landed a monster counter left here too.

    8-12: 9th was a fierce showing from Josh, perfect right hooks and physical barging. Awesome 10th, both men showing elite skills but Taylor sharper AND more active. Amazing 11th, torrid pace and I felt Prograis' counters, jab and second wind took it with wiggle-room to spare. 12th was a clear Prograis round; Taylor boxing within himself.
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    Taylor clearly had the better engine and foot-work imo. He threw more, and they are sharper, cleaner shots through the mid-rounds. He also was clearly the stronger guy, using his shoulder to force Prograis back and he tucked up nicely, using said shoulder to make room for his short hooks and uppercuts on the inside. As a bigger guy, he knew how to use it.

    Prograis' head-movement was soooooooo good. He may have boxed within himself through the mid rounds, but his short left uppercut, brutal body shots and precise counters combined with that snappy fluid jab contribute to him being one of the best in the world. Like Taylor, he uses his shoulder to create space for himself, and watching him add new things to his repertoire (even at the age of 30) fight in, fight out, it really fun.
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    Such a good fight... my personal pick for 2019 FOTY, but Inoue vs Donaire was amazing too. So much respect between them here, two class operators, and two class sportsmen.

    I was rooting for Taylor going into this one, but found myself warming to Prograis more and more, after this I was an instant fan and at this point he's one of my favourite fighters of the modern era. Certainly more than Josh.

    This was actually a match up of Britain's best talent and America's best talent. Along with CW and LHW (Obviously...) 140 is one of my favourite divisions right now. And God damn do I want a trilogy, and I want both to go on a tear up at 147 after laying waste to 140. Is that likely? No, but I can dream.
     
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  8. lufcrazy

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    Kid Chocolate vs Fidel LaBarba

    The first thing that strikes me is how different these two are style wise. They actually look like they belong on different sides of the boxing revolution that took place in terms of style.

    You have Chocolate on one hand, flying out a rapier jab, dancing on his feet, check hooking, throwing the uppercut as he backs away and hammering the one two.

    Then you have LaBarba who throws lead hooks from half way across the ring, charges in with his head down and hasn't got the memo that boxing and wrestling are now two distinct sports.

    This is exactly the type of fight where if you watch the two guys separately you would say Chocolate is far too modern for someone who charges in square up, throws lead hooks and tries mauling to victory.

    Yet LaBarba wins their series of fights. His reckless abandonment with the hooks and his relentless approach to grappling makes him a Tua/Ruiz hybrid that was some kind of aggressive ring general without ever landing a clean effective shot.

    I mean, am I being too harsh on LaBarba here? The available footage shows, imo, Chocolate clearly being the superior boxer, whilst being the inferior fighter. I can see how LaBarba was able to convince the judges he was better as Chocolate couldn't hurt him and he was strong enough to bully chocolate across the ring.

    I know it's different times and we have to view thing a in context, but does anyone else watch this footage and think "yeah LaBarba is the better man here"

    Maybe I've gone into this fight too blinkered, but that's how I see it.

    A train wreck of old school vs new school where new school wants to box and move, old school is strong enough to say nah mate, not tonight.
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

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    Not imo, you pretty much nailed my general overview of how style.
     
  10. lufcrazy

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    McLarnin vs Singer

    Jimmy actually shows bits in here that I love about his style.

    First off is his most under used weapon imo: his jab. He actually has my favourite type of jab which is one of those off setting jabs, designed to push the opponent back and leave him open for a follow up. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the quick rapier jabs and I enjoy the power punch type jabs, but nothing beats a good momentum inducing jab that offsets the opponent.

    The second thing I really enjoy is his shot selection, for such an aggressive styled fighter he doesn't waste a lot of punches.

    He seems in many ways similar to Tito Trinidad to me. Forever stalking forward, the jab is a weapon and a bit too reliant on the hook. You can see how he's there to be outboxed, which he was a few times, but you can also see how dangerous he was (which he proved mainly against lighter faded opposition imo).

    The ko shot didn't look right to me, I've never heard any talk of any doubts about this fight, but it looked like the first knockdown caught him awkwardly on the neck and just before the second knockdown you see Singer grab his neck in pain.

    Either way it was a punch that caused the damage do credit due to him.

    Here's a couple of interesting facts I learnt in this fight :

    1)Despite being a reigning world champ, Singer split the purse 50/50 with McLarnin (who said the A-side revolution is just a recent thing?)

    2) Benny Leonard trained Al Singer

    3) Singers only reported loss coming into this bout was against Kid Chocolate, some thing boxrec does not agree with.

    4) McLarnin is described as a smaller version of John L Sullivan

    Now that last point really got me thinking. Are we honestly supposed to believe that John L Sullivan fought behind an offsetting jab, picked his shots intelligently and was a bit too hook happy? I mean on the surface that doesn't sound too unlikely, but given the way boxing was fought back then, surely if the HW champ fought in such a "modern" way, there wouldn't be a big revolution 50 years later. I mean so much of Sullivan is myth and legend and the only reliable info really is about his alcohol induced loss to Corbett so I don't know what to think really. But then again what can you possibly think about a man who's nickname was "His Fistic Holiness"
     
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  11. McGrain

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    Terence Crawford UD12 Viktor Postol

    HBO delighted with Crawfor's golden gloves, and in fairness, he does look spiv tonight. I love boxing trunk/gloves/combo and these are a beauty.

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    Postol probably nicks the first round, at distance, unhurried, controlling the action. Crawford likes to take a look in the first round, i'm sure he wants to win it but it doesn't seem to be desperately important to him. The second is a very difficult round to score, Crawford coming on very strong towards the end of the round but probably Postol wins most of the rest of the round; still, there was enough back and forth there, I think Crawford just about nicked it clean. I must say, i'm impressed that Crawford doesn't feel rushed here. He wants to counter-punch but Postol refuses to press him but Crawford doesn't worry about that. He's prepared to outwait Postol, though Postol does land a good bodyshot and probably wins this dull round.

    Wow, the wait was worth it for Crawford. He's measured his guy and tattoos him up and down with the left hand in the fourth. In the fifth, he inflicts upon Postol his only knockdown to date with a fast, flashing attack in second one of the round. Postol is completely unhurt but Crawford is away with the fight now. Ducks and lifts Postol for his next trick. Batters him back to the ropes for a second KD. Exquisite from Taylor though, comes out in the sixth patient again, no rush, moving laterally, very limber.

    Rather miserable for this Postol. He's cutting the ring but not quite off and Taylor's just waiting for him whether he decides to punch of move. One-sided but kind of mesmeric, very pretty. Hurts him again early in the eighth, late in the ninth. Postol has some chin; but he's not really handing much back. He's terrified to throw and Crawford's mobility has ruined his life.

    A performance of genius.

    Crawford:2,4,5*,6,7,8,9,10,11^,12.
    Postol:1,3.

    118-107 Crawford.

    *Postol down twice this round.
    ^Postol has a point taken off for punching behind the head. It was pretty blatant. He had just been warned.
     
  12. Jel

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    Roberto Duran v Robbie Sims

    Good, close fight that could have gone either way, although I think the judges got this just about right overall.

    The point deduction in the 8th crucial. Duran was edging ahead and that cost him his lead and meant he needed two strong rounds back to back. He had one in the 9th to even things up, leaving it down to the fin round to decide the winner. Sims clearly took the round with the higher workrate and the better punches landed while Duran seemed content to mug and not throw enough. It cost him at least a draw.

    1 10-9
    2 9-10
    3 9-10 (close. Duran definitely had his moments but thought he was just outworked a bit. Good round.)
    4 10-9 (Duran picked his shots well and slipped Sims' punches)
    5 9-10
    6 10-9 (good round for Duran)
    7 10-9 (another good round for Duran)
    8 8-10 (Duran started the round well but Sims took over in the second half. Duran also lost a point)
    9 10-9 (good recovery from Duran)
    10 9-10 (Sims outworks and outlands Duran in the deciding round)

    Duran 94-95 Sims

    5 rounds apiece but Sims edges it on my card and the official ones due to Duran's point deduction in the 8th.
     
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  13. scartissue

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    I had it 97-96 for Sims. I really enjoyed this fight
     
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  14. George Crowcroft

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    Yeah, I had it 97-94 Sims, really fun fight. I liked Sims' fights with Barkley and Benn too. Only found out today that he's Hagler's half-brother.
     
  15. McGrain

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    Brandon Rios SD12 Richar Abrill

    It's a robbery from what I remember: flat out. Let's see.

    Rios failed to make weight. He landed on the scales at 137lbs and came back an hour later weighing 139lbs :lol: So no ****s given. Might have charged the weight, might not; either way, probably not in great shape for the contest. Does nothing early and ABril recognizes it throwing more punches on the move than I imagine he planned. Rios stalking, not doing a bad job of positioning himself so the ring is cut, but he's just sort of pushing his jab when he gets there. Does land one good left hook at the end of the round which I suppose might explain why a wayward judge could give him the first. Oddly enough I have Rios 2-1 up after three so for me at least, you could legitimately have Rios 3-0 up without it being too disgusting. I'll keep an eye on that phantom card with 1 treated as a swing.

    It's kind of reassuring this fight, both box exactly like you'd expect them to based upon how they look. Rios has a shitty mohawk and is short, Abrill looks like he's been spread too thin on shortbread.

    Abrill knows where his man is in the beginning of the fourth and looks for single shots. Lands some good ones too, including a very nice counter left-hook. I have to say though, Rios scores with some fine shots up close and I wouldn't be horrified in a rbr next door say if someone gave this round to Rios, though I see it for Abrill. I don't think 4-0 Rios would be a GOOD card but it wouldn't be utterly drunken. As it is I have it 2-2.

    And I have it 3-3 after six. The first half of the fight is NOT anything but arguable and there are a wide swathe of cards that would be reasonable to me, including 4-2 Rios. But i'm not identifying swing rounds. I'm scoring the rounds for Abrill as clean Abrill rounds - but i'm just saying, a couple of them, it wouldn't be disgusting if it was seen the other way. TV scorecard has it 5-1 Abrill.

    To add insult to injury, the fight is pretty boring. Abrill likes to be in close for phases standing in body-shell defence leaning back, watching for opportunities, it's weird. He holds a fair bit. Rios throws these cuffing little shots with nothing on them. Abrill livens things up defensively a bit, moving away sharply, sometimes hands low, but it's not a great fight this.

    Here's your robbery though: Rios looks a bit knackered in the second half of the fight and Abrill just consistently outlands him. The stuff Rios does lands looks what it is, tired, so whether he was overweight because of his training regime or in spite of it it seems to have left him tired. I have Abrill winning seven through ten with only tenth really up for debate.

    116-112. Robbery? Yeah. At a push, yeah. No fun to score that's for sure.


    ABRILL:1,4,5,7,8,9,10,11.
    RIOS: 2,3,6,12.
     
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