the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

What I mean is, we can't compare Greb to Maxie because there is no footage of either of them.

For example we can compare George Dixon with Joe Gans because of the write ups of both pointing out similarities and the fact we have footage of Gans.

With Greb and Maxie we would trying to draw parallel with guys we can't see either of.

 

The only real problem I have with this post, to be totally honest, and I'm usually not one for tearing into other posts, but I feel here I have to make a stand. Especially given what was at stake and the reputation of the two fighters compounded with the hype of the event.

My only issue is you should have said

*Lomachenko down

 

Just finished watching a gem of history, Ray Robinson-Bobby Dykes (Robinson W10).

It wasn't a thrill-a-minute slugfest by any means, but I applaud the person who posted it up, as it represents a version of Robinson we see too infrequently on film; before winning the title from Lamotta.

Dykes, for his part, is actually very good. I hadn't seen him and didn't know anything about him at all, but looking at his Boxrec page, he's really quite accomplished, scoring victories over Gil Turner, Joe Miceli, and Joey Giambra, among many others. He fought pretty much everyone in that era.

I gave him the fourth and eighth, and the rest to Robinson, but that doesn't reflect just how competitive all the rounds were. Dykes mixes a fairly smooth circling approach with fits and starts of aggression that never hurt Robinson but put him off his rhythm. Robinson decides the best way to combat this is to fight in his own fits and starts to offset Dykes in turn, so the action is a bit uneven but compelling nonetheless.

The fight gets a little hard to watch in the middle rounds as the film cuts out several times but I'm just grateful someone took the time to get this up digitally before the film got too bad to do anything with.

Robinson outweighed Dykes apparently by 8 pounds, 157-149. Ray was still welter champ at this time, so shows just how much he had to cut to get down to 147. Couldn't have been easy.

 

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Carrying on with the HWs.

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Absolute pummeling from Holyfield here, dished out a bad beating. Pinky was a little too tough for his own good here, as he refused to go down and so took plenty of punishment. His corner made a wise decision here, as he was seriously hurt (again) at the end of the 7th, and it was only getting worse.

Pinky's jab have Holyfield issues for the first 10 seconds, then 'Vander's strategy of working the arms and body pretty much shut all offence from Thomas down.

Might be the best Holyfield performance I've ever seen.

 

FOTY 1923

Jack Dempsey vs Luis Angel Firpo

1: Dempsey
2: Dempsey ko

The first round starts with Dempsey hurting Firpo with pretty much every punch he lands. This is the same Firpo who would go 12 hard rounds with Wills almost a year to the day.

Dempsey rushes in looking for the kill and Firpo lands a hail march shot, he very quickly capitalises and clubs Dempsey out of the ring, Dempsey spoils when Firpo next rushes in as he clears his head and then he retakes the initiative.

Round 2 sees Dempsey start where he left off but with a bit more patience, he picks his shots and knocks Firpo down and put.

Interestingly Dempsey does not look to be 24 pounds lighter than Firpo here but that's the reality and he wins the shoot out in devastating fashion.

 

I hate this fight.

 

I go through phases with boxing. I spend so long researching certain fighters that it becomes a chore, and I go off boxing history for a bit.

So to pre empt that happening this time I'm going through the FOTY winners and just enjoying the fights. Not other motive other than pure fistic enjoyment.

As for this, I love a shoot out tbh. Mental to think this is the same Dempsey who slips ten jabs in a row from Gene Tunney.

 

I feel you, I get like that abit some times. It's good to know that it's no-one's obligation but your own to watch those fights.

Dunno if you've seen it or not, but Julio César González vs Julian Letterlough is one of my all-time favourite fights. If you don't know what happens in it, watch it and behold the drama and war! If you have, you know what I'm on about.

Greg told me, this week that I'm the biggest boxing hipster he ever met soooooooo. Dunno if I'm ashamed or proud tbh.

My favourite is probably Kelley vs Naz, Moorer vs Cooper or Espadas vs Park. I don't like this fight. The footage quality is ****, the fight is more waiting for Dempsey to stop pushing Firpo over and the only time Dempsey is in trouble is from the most shoddy, slow overhand right I've ever seen. It was like he'd pushed Dempsey out of the ring, there was so little snap on it. It's basically a crude, but talented fighter beating up on a crude but not talented fighter.

Yeah, I'm not a fan. Especially when it's cited as one of the greatest fights ever.

 

FOTY 1924

Gene Tunney vs Georges Carpentier

This fight is just highlights. It starts off very cagey with both men staying at range. Carpenter trying to leap in with big hooks and Tunney skipping away behind his jab and straight right, spoiling if ever it gets too close.

In the tenth Tunney times Carpenter perfectly and drops him then proceeds to beat the living **** out of him, somehow Carpentier sees out the round.

Carpentier catches Tunney rushing in apparently and stages a bit of a comeback.

I'm the final round as Carpentier does his leaping hook into a hug routine, Tunney lands a left hook to the body. Carpentier drops, and is svaed by the bell.

The corner refuse to let him out for the 15th claiming a foul blow.

 

Yeah with boxing history it's important to ensure you're enjoying it.

My all time favourite fight is actually Cotto vs Margarito 1. Closely followed by Marquez vs Juan Diaz 1.

Dunno who Greg is lol.

With footage quality like this, it's impossible to know how crude it is because any subtle movements aren't captured. Imo I just fill in the gaps with what I expect would have been present in a heavyweight title fight.

 

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/the-classic-boxing-podcast.643151/

 

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More Holyfield!!!! I've seen this fight though, just not recently.

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Absolute classic. I love this fight, one of my favourite HW fights. In fact, it's made the top 50 all time fights. Uber-competitive, so obviously difficult to score. You can't get the full story from a scorecard here, though, since everything could be different on another one. Personally, I didn't think Holy was in any danger of losing (despite the awesome action) until the KD. He just seemed in control of the action.

I love how in the first Dokes tries low-blow Holyfield, and Holyfield comes back with a low-blow and a headbutt just to underline that he's the best cheater around.

 

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Love both these guys. And I love this fight.

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Holyfield actually showed a good ring IQ in the midst of this classic. Despite being badly hurt on that great, third round he figured out exactly what he needed to get Bert out of there.

He worked the body early (got a KD) so Bert slowed down and when he did, he stopped putting so much power in the left hook. A more loose left meant he could get much more leverage on his right uppercut, whilst still creating the opening for it. He hit Cooper with them repeatedly in the 5th and didn't look back.

 

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Never seen this in full before, just highlights.

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Holyfield looked really sharp here, impressive given the layoff and heart problems. Mercer was in good shape, but couldn't get things together like he could vs Mercer.

Decent fight, nothing crazy though.