the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Bit of a Gobshite Full Member

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    Evander Holyfield vs Ray Mercer

    Never seen this in full before, just highlights.

    Holyfield-Mercer
    10 : 9*
    9 : 10
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    9 : 10 (48/47)
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    10 : 8
    9 : 10
    10 : 9 (97/93)

    Holyfield looked really sharp here, impressive given the layoff and heart problems. Mercer was in good shape, but couldn't get things together like he could vs Mercer.

    Decent fight, nothing crazy though.
     
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  2. lufcrazy

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    FOTY 1925

    Harry Greb vs Mickey Walker

    You have to read an awful lot of fight reports to get a sense of what this fight looks like, an even then the minds eye will struggle to paint a picture.

    One thing most reports seem to agree on is Walker started very strong. He set a hectic pace and hammered Greb to the body. Greb tried keeping at range and would attempt to spoil and smother up close, but Walker got the better of it. Even knocking some teeth out.

    Now I'm not sure why Greb fought this way for the first 5 rounds. Most would assume Greb superior on the inside, but Walker was built like a tank and had shorter arms so maybe Greb didn't fancy an inside battle.

    The middle third sees Greb go on the offensive and take over, he must have sensed Walker slowing down a dot at this point and figured he could outland him up close and work his body in return.

    The final third sees Greb battering Walker aside from a few hard counters Walker lands, but they weren't enough to stem the tide.

    In round 15 walker tries a big finish but it's too little too late.

    Of course there's a legendary round 16 but that's another story.

    So again using my. Minds eye, what fight does this most resemble?

    It's a fight of two halves, one guy staying at range, trying to spoil, being whacked to body before ehe then comes back into it and out lands him down the stretch.

    I can't think of any fights matching that description to be honest. The best I can come up with is a slow burning slugger against a boxer puncher, kinda like Margarito vs Cotto.
     
  3. lufcrazy

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    FOTY 1926

    Jack Dempsey vs Gene Tunney.

    In many ways it's a tough fight to watch as Dempsey is fighting like he's a prime monster who hasn't just taken 3 years away from the sport.

    You see him stalking forward beneath that bob and weave defence, but he doesn't have the sharpness or speed to actually bob or weave out of the way of anything.

    Tunney consistentlt catches him with punch after punch and if anything Jack is weaving into the shots and increasing the damage.

    Towards the end of the fight he actually stops trying to slug it out and just rests in the clinches.

    I just don't see any way Tunney performs like this over a proper version of Dempsey.

    Guess it's FOTY because it was such a huge upset.
     
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    FOTY 1927

    Gene Tunney vs Jack Dempsey

    This fight starts where the other left off, Dempsey not quite slipping everything, Tunney landing almost everything he throws.

    But then in round 7, Dempsey shows some of his old magic, he slips inside, lands a huge combination and knocks Tunney down.

    Hence the infamous long count.

    Two moments of magic in the fight for me, the knockdown and the famous clip of him slipping 10 punches in a row.

    Prime for prime Dempsey murders Tunney.

    Infact had this fight been fought under the rules Dempsey was accustomed too, he knocks Tunney out in the 7th round.
     
  5. lufcrazy

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    FOTY 1928

    Tommy Loughran vs Leo Lomski

    Very limited highlights here.

    Loughran looks excellent on the outside as always, constantly moving, putting his shots together really well.

    But Lomski manages to time him with a huge right hand and drop him, Loughran gets up and tries staying away but Lomski drops him again.

    I can only go off what the commentator says now but apparently Loughran regains his composure, Lomski gets nowhere near him again and he boxes his ears off.

    That's the way the final round looks so I can kinda join the dots up in my minds eye.
     
  6. Jel

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    Alexis Arguello v Rafael Limon

    Dominant performance from the great super featherweight champion against the first in line of wannabe (and eventual) successors to his crown.

    Limon fought well but was overmatched. He hung tough until the end and was willing to keep going but the cuts were a mess and he started shipping more right hands in the 11th, leaving the ref with no choice but to call it quits for him.

    1 10-9
    2 10-9
    3 10-9 (Arguello wobbles Limon)
    4 10-9
    5 9-10 (close)
    6 10-9
    7 10-9
    8 10-9 (good start to round from Limon but Arguello took over)
    9 10-9
    10 10-9
    (99-91)
    11 Arguello TKO Limon (ref stops fight with Limon badly cut and starting to eat right hands)
    12
     
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    Alexis Arguello v Alfredo Escalera 1

    Never scored this one before but it is a fine, fine fight... maybe not as good as their rematch but top action nonetheless.

    Arguello gave Escalera a real battering early on and it was turning into a one-sofed affair before Escalera rallied and gave him a scare in the 12th. Unfortunately, the next round was Alfredo's last as Arthur Mercante called the doctor over and it was stopped because of large number of cuts the Puerto Rican had suffered.

    Thus started the greatest title reign in the history of the super featherweight division.

    1 10-9 (cracking start - some huge right hands from Arguello)
    2 10-9 (Escalera did good early work before Arguello came back with more right hands. Apparently a knockdown scored but it was bogus. Escalera cut)
    3 10-10
    4 10-9
    5 10-9
    6 9-10 (close but Escalera nicked it with a good second half to the round)
    7 10-9
    8 10-9 (this is turning into a methodical beatdown by Arguello)
    9 9-10 (better from Escalera)
    10 9-10 (mini rally from Alfredo)
    11 10-9 (Alexis with the better shots; Escalera still competitive though)
    12 9-10 (Escalera hurts Arguello and has his best round of the fight - great stuff!)
    (116-113)
    13 Arguello TKO Escalera (stopped on cuts)

    Arguello ahead 7 rounds to 4 with one even at the time of the stoppage.
     
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    Alexis Arguello v Cornelius Boza-Edwards

    Very entertaining non-title lightweight bout that started off cautiously before building up into a real tussle. The 4th and 7th were both excellent rounds.

    Boza's corner made absolutely the right decision to pull him out at the end of the 8th round as Arguello's experience and later round stamina started to show.

    Boza showed glimpses of his championship ability and Arguello showed that he was more and more dangerous as a fight wore on.

    1 10-9 (Arguello edges a cagey opener with a decent right hand)
    2 9-10 (Boza nicked it at the end)
    3 9-10 (Boza countering well)
    4 10-9 (close. Boza starts well before getting rocked by Arguello. Comes back well though)
    5 9-10 (close again. Boza competing every step of the way)
    6 10-9 (Arguello edged it but he can't shift Boza)
    7 10-9 (terrific action. Real back and forth with neither fighter gaining a clear edge until Arguello wobbled Boza at the end)
    8 10-9 (Arguello has upped his game and is firmly in control. Boza is now surviving rather than competing)
    (77-75)
    Arguello TKO8 Boza-Edwards
     
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  9. lufcrazy

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    FOTY 1929

    Max Schmeling vs Johnny Risko

    Couldn't find a fight report for this, all I could find was

    "Schmeling dropped Risko in the first, seventh, eighth and ninth rounds, each time with a right hand.
    When Referee Arthur Donovan stopped the bout, little Danny Dunn - the "Rubber Man's" second and manager - rushed over and tried to carry Risko to his corner.
    A squad of policeman had to clear passage through the crowd to lead Schmeling to his dressing room, who got what was described as the wildest ovation in years."

    So yeah.
     
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  10. lufcrazy

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    FOTY 1930

    The winning streak that Kid Chocolate appeared to have kept intact was brought to a sudden end. Snapped after two years of unbroken victory by the lean little English whirlwind Jack (Kid) Berg. Chocolate landed the cleaner, more effective blows. He had Berg somewhat groggy with a sensational attack in the 3rd round, the most exciting of the entire fight. The Kid was also the faster, better boxer whenever he could keep away from the crowding, mauling Englishman. Berg's punches were seldom damaging but they were more persistent. This forcing, plus the fact that Berg unquestionably made the stronger finish apparently swung the decision in his favor. Speared and often baffled by his opponent's speed afoot, Berg nevertheless kept up a steady drumfire that weakened Chocolate. Except for a spurt or two, Chocolate was unable to lift his hands to punch in the last two rounds.

    I some times think Kid Chocolate was too modern for his era.

    He always seems to have landed the cleaner more effective punches but often came up short against the mauling styles of guys like LaBarba and Berg.

    I tell myself, something like that wouldn't happen today.

    Then I remember, it wasn't that long since everyone argued Maidana mauled his way to victory over the cleaner shots of Floyd Mayweather, so maybe things haven't changed that much at all.
     
  11. scartissue

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    Guys, just watched a fight that I missed back in the day, but knew it would be a tough fight. The 1980 Sean O'Grady v Gonzalo Montellano 12 rounder. I knew it would have been tough because I had been keeping up with west coast results and had heard some really good things on Montellano. So watching this didn't change things. Guys, treat yourselves today and believe me, I felt it was very close.

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Montellano
    Round 3: 10-9 O'Grady
    Round 4: 10-9 O'Grady
    Round 5: 10-9 O'Grady
    Round 6: 10-9 O'Grady
    Round 7: 10-9 Montellano
    Round 8: 10-9 O'Grady
    Round 9: 10-9 Montellano
    Round 10: 10-10 Even
    Round 11: 10-10 Even
    Round 12: 10-9 Montellano

    Total: 116-115 O'Grady (actual scores: 118-118 a draw and 117-115, 116-115 both for O'Grady for a majority decision win)

    I think the Omaha officials were quite impartial in this one. None of the crazy decisions you see today, they all had it close even though O'Grady was fighting out of Omaha. This was down to the wire and I would have been happier to see it scored a draw, it was that tight. Montellano was a sharp as a razor combination puncher, but I gave O'Grady the edge on harder punching. But a terrific fight and I can't say enough about it. Again, treat yourselves to this one. It's a real sleeper.
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    FOTY 1931

    Max Schmelling vs Young Stribling

    First things first. This is fought at such a high level of technique.

    I was genuinely struggling to remember a modern HW fight fought at as high a level of this.

    The jabbing contest, the footwork, the counters, the momentum shifts, its all beautiful.

    And that ko punch right at the end. Wow.

    What a fight.
     
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  13. George Crowcroft

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    Emile Griffith vs Benny Paret III

    I've rewatched their whole trilogy over the last few months, but the first time I watched this, it was so late at night I could hardly even remember it. I did, however, remember it being a great fight.

    Griffith-Paret
    10 : 9
    9 : 10*
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    10 : 9*
    8 : 10 (57/56)
    10 : 9
    9 : 10*
    9 : 10*
    10 : 9
    10 : 9 (106/103)
    Griffith TKO12

    Tragic end to a great fight. Griffith was a genuine professional the whole way, in there. Benny was overly aggressive after the bell, punching and shoving. Whereas Griffith let it slide, and fought very clean, even letting opportunities slip after he waltzed around Paret, and not hitting him when he had his head turned.

    This truly was a brilliant fight. Non-stop, ferocious action, a picturesque KD in the 6th (great round) and a devastating, albeit hard-to-watch KO. However, it was still a Griffith fight, so there was occasional spats of holding. But then again, it was also a Paret fight so they mostly fought their way out of the clinch.

    Griffith was an excellent champion, and fighter. Paret was worthy of anyone, but I had him losing all three fights, here.
     
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    FOTY 1932

    Tony Canzoneri vs Billy Petrolle 2

    Its an interesting style clash this one, Petrolle is fighting out of a bob and weave meaning Canzoneri isn't crouching like he usually is know for.

    Instead, get this, he's leaning backwards firing off hard single counters, does that sound like anyone? Sounds just like Bob Fitzsimmons to me.

    As for this fight it's awesome, Petrolle keeps trying to force the pace but Canzoneri is too accurate and forces the respect of Petrolle.

    Petrolle can never really get anything going as Canzoneri is just too sharp for him.

    Great fight.
     
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    Jeff Harding W MD 12 Dennis Andries, WBC Light-Heavyweight title, 1991

    A trilogy which is always worth revisiting. Been a while since I'd seen the third one, so delved back in.

    R1: Andries
    R2: Harding
    R3: Harding
    R4: Harding
    R5: Harding
    R6: Harding
    R7: Andries
    R8: Harding
    R9: Andries
    R10: Harding
    R11: Andries
    R12: Harding

    116-112 to Harding.

    Harry Carpenter, with his usual unashamed Brit bias, had Andries winning this and claimed that he built up a lead in the early rounds - I totally disagree on both counts. This was a very, very competitive fight but for me there's no way it's anything other than a Harding win, albeit I could see it narrower than I had it. In fact I'd say the early rounds (aside from the first) were where Harding was at his best. Rounds 2 to 6 followed a similar pattern - Andries never stopped coming and forced Harding to throw an insane amount of punches, but Harding was up to the task. Whereas Andries was loading up with that one big shot, Harding was putting his shots together, throwing more, landing more and certainly throwing with greater variety. There were some tremendous body shots by Harding, and I don't think I've seen any other fighter as open to uppercuts as Andries was here. Whenever Harding threw that shot, it seemed to land cleanly.

    The pace slowed ever so slightly later on (though still outstanding in its own right) and in these rounds Andries had more success. There was a little more space to make room for his shots and he pushed Harding back effectively at times. That said, he was still badly hurt a couple of times in the twelfth, first looking as if a couple of huge body shots had emptied his tank, and then tottering from a couple of swinging hooks upstairs later in the round. True to form, though, he kept upright and never stopped fighting back.

    All in all, a fantastic fight yet again from this pair. Defences were non-existent for both, of course, but the toughness, conditioning and durability of the pair was a marvel and the pace was utterly thrilling for every minute of every round.
     
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