the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Today I watched the first fight between Harold Brazier and Kevin Pompey for a USBA welterweight title over 12 rounds. Oh, man, 12 rounds of the most fast-paced clean-punching you will ever see. So many tissue-paper thin rounds. One could have easily had more than half the fight in even rounds. A scoring nightmare.

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Brazier
    Round 3: 10-9 Pompey
    Round 4: 10-9 Brazier
    Round 5: 10-9 Pompey
    Round 6: 10-9 Brazier
    Round 7: 10-9 Pompey
    Round 8: 10-10 Even
    Round 9: 10-10 Even
    Round 10: 10-9 Brazier
    Round 11: 10-9 Brazier
    Round 12: 10-9 Brazier

    Total: 117-114 Brazier (actual scores: 115-113 Brazier and 116-113, 115-113 both for Pompey for a split win)

    Despite my score I thought this fight was as good a 12 round Draw as I have seen. Again, tissue paper difference on each round.
     
  2. cleming

    cleming Active Member Full Member

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    I love this fight ! I uploaded it on youtube :)
     
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    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pompey reminds me a little of Meldrick Taylor lite, as he's one of those who could throw his entire body into shots and not break an egg with them. With even a little power he could have really been a force.
     
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  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    thanks for that. You are the man!
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Bit of a Gobshite Full Member

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    Scar, I watched this one on your recommendation. Because you said it was tough to score, I limited myself and decided to not give even rounds. I'm looking for a job as a judge, and fights like this are excellent practice. You weren't wrong about it being a great fight too, thanks!

    Grady-Montellano
    9 : 10
    9 : 10
    9 : 10*
    10 : 9* (37/39)
    9 : 10*
    9 : 10*
    10 : 9*
    10 : 9 (75/77)
    10 : 9
    9 : 10*
    10 : 9
    10 : 9* (114-114)

    I liked Montellano's style a bit more. His accurate, surgical counter-punching meant he tended to land cleaner, whereas O'Grady landed more on elbows/forearms/tricep. Don't get me wrong, these rounds were insanely competitive, but I thought Montellano did the cleaner work for the most part. Gonzalo really reminded me of Rodrigo Valdez, at times.

    I think Sean came on stronger, late. He started to out-work Montellano, and he started moving and jabbing more as it got past rounds 8/9. In fact, the last 3 rounds were the most exciting IMO. I had O'Grady as an aggressive, McGuigan-escque fighter, but he reminded me more of Dave McCauley.

    Next up: Brazier vs Pompey!
     
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    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Glad you liked it, and for the excellent breakdown on the fight.
     
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    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sal, it's been nagging at me since reading your post how Pompey reminded you of Taylor. What's been bothering me is I too felt a little deja vu on what I was watching. And then I recalled the fight that was 10 rounds of furious, clean punching, which was Charley Scott v Gaspar Ortega. They too just fought in the pocket exchanging a high volume of clean shots. A faster pace than Pompey-Brazier but similar nonetheless.
     
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    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think I've seen that but not sure. First, this O'Grady- Montallano thing everyone is talking about!
     
  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think you’ll love it.
     
  10. McGrain

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    Vasily Lomachenko UD12 Jose Pedroza

    I like the way Pedraza starts, disciplined, looking to jab, early seemed he wanted to touch the body. Lomachenko so good though, and I can't help but wonder if Lomachenko's positioning, just and just out of range, makes Pedraza a little busier than he wants to be. Loma catches him with two hard counters to steal the round in the final minute. In the second, Loma looks like he wants to make some room to his own right for his southpaw jab and does so, but in the main he's still bobbing and moving off the centre line and out-squabbling his guy. For the first time in the third we saw him step in suddenly and as always on balance, landing a flurry. It's a bad moment for Pedraza who realises, now, how difficult it will be to win rounds - there's another riskier gear that Pedraza hasn't even really seen yet.

    He's in no way being embarrassed but he's certainly being left behind on my card.

    Interesting beginning to the fourth, Pedraza turns southpaw, steps out, moves, and out-throws Lomachecnk of the firs minute and more. It's an interesting wrinkle. Pedraza is throwing a lot of punches, but Loma dials him in at the half way point of the round and lands a hard jab. I wonder, too, if he's not outstanding Pedraza despite Pedraza being so busy. I think Pedraza takes the fifth though - it's close, but the return to orthodox works well for him and he's doing well with the right hand. Lomachenko is hardly bothered but he's probably barely out-worked here.

    Wow, straight right left hand to the body form Loma in the sixth, first really gorgeous two-piece of the night, there's been some pretty work. There's some speculation that Loma wasn't happy with his right shoulder in this fight and he replaces the hook with some square, hookish looking left hands in this round. I wouldn't be surprised if Loma was out-landed in a round for a first time here, it was close, but he lands by far the more attractive punches. Heavy pressure combined with excellent footwork and defence, it's horrible really. Poor Pedraza. He's not for quitting though.

    Between rounds nine nad ten they go through some of the best lefts Lomachenko has landed sans right hook and it's pretty.

    Round ten is maybe Pedraza's best round of the night. Two really nice right hands to the body rank among the most outstanding punches in the round and although Lomachenko throws plenty back, it's probably enough to get Peraza over the line in this round.

    Lomachenko has been fighting much more aggressively in these more recent rounds though and he finds his marker in the eleventh early, landing two and three piece flurries, not hard combos but jarring, "mixing a man's mind" as Ali put it. Lomachenko doesn't so much chase guys around the ring when he hurts the as appear beside them and hit them. Always well balanced, always un-hurried. Painful to watch. Pedraza down with 38 seconds remaining on accumulation. Loma, glance at the clock when he goes to the corner. Pretty chilling. Drops him again on a bodyshot with fifteen seconds remaining but Loma runs out of time.

    Pedraza is a tough guy.

    Great left handed performance this, Loma isn't without the right, at all, but he does decline the hook until very late. Special stuff. He would have knocked out Pedraza if he'd had that shot I think.

    PEDRAZA: 5,10,
    LOMACHENKO:1,2,3,4,6,7,8,9,11*,12.

    *Pedraza down twice.

    118-108 Lomachenko

    Official cards: 119-107, 117-109x2.
     
  11. McGrain

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    Vasily Lomachenko UD12 Luke Campbell

    Lomachenko just has a look at Campbell in the first and Campbell takes it from him with a straight left to the torso. Is interesting seeing Loma overcome such a big opponent. Campbell contesting the second round in the middle of the ring though and the round is close. Lomachenko's established his jab though and that probably edges - but you can do what you like with this round without argument from me.

    Lomachenko is all left hands in the third though. Campbell has done well but what Loma has done is put pressure on him with superior punching then slowly begun to take away the distance. He's replying upon his world-class defence to keep him out of trouble and his footwork to cut out Campbell's reach advantage. And in the third it worked. It's a high energy style, normally high-risk, too, but Loma's walking it as a strategy.

    Tell you what though, in the fourth Campbell takes that away from him by putting his own pressure on and slinging to the body - and just as Lomachenko won a very close second I think Campbell was on the verge of winning a very close fourth until Loma landed a great body punch in the final seconds. But that was a cracking adjustment from Campbell. Gets the **** kicked out of him in the fifth though. Body punches have him in trouble. Argument for a 10-8 but I don't think it matters enough fo me to worry about it, frankly.

    Campbell comes back well in the sixth though, looks tidy circling away and trying left and rights to the body, straight punches. Still, the way Loma just appears inside and starts punching it's awful to watch. **** all that. He's hard to fight. Great seventh round, Campbell hits him hard and actually rocks him a bit; Loma's response is rather bloodthirsty. He spends the rest of the round battering Campbell. Two short left hands were the offending punches. He loses that one despite, but probably squeaks his way to the ninth, which is impressive given some of the punches he's been hit with.

    Usual sheallacking in the late rounds. I wonder if Eleventh Round Lomachenko will become a thing, like Montreal Duran?

    LOMACHENKO:2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10,11*,12.
    CAMPBELL:1,9.

    *Campbell down.

    Couple of close rounds though, good stab from Campbell this and given his size probably speaks to the fact that we won't see Lomachenko at 140lbs for anything other than a superfight. Which is weird to say about a 10-2 card. He was thrashed if i'm honest.

    118-109 Lomachenko.
     
  12. scartissue

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    Has anyone here ever checked out the Pipino Cuevas v Roger Stafford bout? I remember well reading about it back when it occurred and was quite stunned at the result. However, this is clearly not the same machine pre-Hearns. Anyways, watched it this morning for the first time and here we go.

    Round 1: 10-9 Cuevas
    Round 2: 10-8 Stafford (scores a knockdown)
    Round 3: 10-9 Cuevas
    Round 4: 10-9 Cuevas
    Round 5: 10-9 Stafford
    Round 6: 10-10 Even
    Round 7: 10-9 Stafford
    Round 8: 10-9 Cuevas
    Round 9: 10-9 Stafford
    Round 10: 10-8 Stafford

    Total: 96-93 Stafford (actual scores 97-91, and 2 scores of 96-93 all for Stafford)

    I have a rather conservative way of scoring fights, but I did feel the 10th round was a 10-8 for Stafford. He really battered Pipino for most of the round. I don't know how the announcers scored the fight, but it sure sounded like they gave Stafford almost every round. I thought Cuevas had his moments, but his best days were clearly behind him.
     
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  13. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Bit of a Gobshite Full Member

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    Told you I was gonna watch this one, and after you drew comparisons between this and Ortega-Scott, I knew I had to check it out.

    Brazier-Pompey
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    9 : 10
    10 : 9* (39/37)
    9 : 10
    10 : 9*
    10 : 9
    10 : 9 (78/74)
    10 : 9*
    9 : 10*
    10 : 9*
    10 : 9 (116/112)

    You weren't wrong, Scar, lots of close rounds. I think this is one of those fights where the scorecard doesn't tell the full story. A bit like Tiger-Hank, maybe. Personally, I thought Brazier was definitely the winner, but I don't think he won by a notable margin. Pompey made Harold work for every round, countered well, and put some brilliant combinations together.

    Brazier out-worked Kev - pretty clearly, IMO - and looked like he was the stronger guy, heavier puncher with a better defence. However, Pompey had a mean left hook (I like the Scott comparison) and was happy to pick his shots on the back-foot. I didn't think he threw enough to match Brazier's relentless pace, though. I do suppose though, if you liked Pompey's style, you could've given him some swing rounds, thus having this a draw/Pompey win? I'd probably be OK with that, but still, I had Brazier winning.

    Great watch, Thanks Scar.
     
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    FOTY 1933

    Max Baer vs Max Schmelling

    Man Schmelling is such a technically sound boxer. Great jab, excellent timing and he picks his shots really well.

    However his defence is massively over rated imo and Baer picks holes in it all night.

    Schmelling doesn't have enough on his shots to force the respect of Baer, even though sometimes he lands huge combinations and wins some of the early rounds.

    But Baer is able to walk him down, and Schmelling cannot get out of the way of the over hand shots.

    Eventually Baer walks him down and grinds him down. The finish is actually quite savage.

    FOTY 1934

    Barney Ross vs Jimmy McLarnin

    (I watched this very recently and this is what I posted)

    Ross vs McLarnin

    It's only highlights but I'm going to give you a little tip here. Watch it side by side with Hoya vs Trinidad and ask yourself how much boxing has really moved on in the past 100 years.

    Bear in mind Oscar did enough against a prime Mayweather to convince a lot of people he'd have beaten him in his prime. The same Mayweather who is the 1 or 2 P4P fighter of the past 20 years.

    But anyways Ross takes on the role of Hiya. Jimmy takes on the role of Tito.

    You have two classic boxer/punchers who set things up with their jab, but one is just a bit quicker. Both have comparable power, both have comparable chins, the only real difference is one man can get his punches off first.

    Watch how similar the two fights unfold with the quicker man ambushing from range, the slower man getting frustrated and lashing out with big hooks.

    Then remember, this is the same Barney Ross who was given all he could handle by Tony Canzoneri, the man a lot of "modernists" de value as a low hands high chin slugger.

    I saw someone on here compare Ross with Hoya and I do think they're very similar fighters, but Ross has better conditioning and is more accurate for my money, not quite as dangerous with the hooks, but more technically sound.

    For my money Ross would do to Hoya what Hoya did to Tito.

    Which is the same thing he did to Jimmy. This is a great fight.
     
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  15. George Crowcroft

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    Charles Williams vs Bobby Czyz I

    Hoping to work toward covering up some of my 'blind-spots'. Mostly guys post Spinks, but I'll have a good look and see who else I'd like to know more on.

    Williams-Czyz
    9 : 10*
    8 : 10
    8 : 10
    10 : 9
    10 : 9 (45/48)
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    10 : 9 (85/84)
    Williams TKO9*

    *Due to serious damage to Czyz's eye.

    Good, enjoyable fight. This one shows how much heart Prince Charles had. He also showed a very good jab, some versatility and a nasty in-game. His uppercuts worked wonders vs a smaller, aggressive guy.

    Really good performance here, actually - KDs aside. Czyz has a Mancini-escque style of offence, but Williams found out that trading with the harder puncher wasn't wise. Afterwards, he started boxing laterally, and Czyz followed him. Jab after jab tore Bobby's face up. after Williams recovered from the KDs, he took the momentum and never looked back.
     


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