the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Bit of a Gobshite Full Member

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    Daruisz Michalczewski vs Virgil Hill

    One I've not seen, from two guys who I've not seen enough of. I'm expecting a jabbing masterclass.

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    9 : 10
    9 : 10*
    10 : 9
    10 : 9 (38/38)
    10 : 9*
    9 : 10
    9 : 10
    10 : 9* (76/76)
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    10 : 9*
    10 : 9 (116/112)

    Really close fight IMO. I'm thinking there was some home-town bias in the scorecards. Virgil's jab and movement won a fair few rounds. Michalczewski did out-jab him though. I think a closer to prime Hill could've won this.

    Daruisz was really open to the body and uppercuts. He also seemed to just completely shut down and wait when the opponent was inside.
     
  2. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I actually had this fairly clear for Montallano.

    1. Even
    2. M
    3. M
    4. O
    5. O
    6. O
    7. M
    8. M
    9. M
    10. O
    11. M
    12. M

    116-113 Montallano. I thought O'Grady had tons of problems with Montallano's weird timing, and ability to just reach out with his long arms and touch Sean. If Gonzalo had any power, this would have been over early. As it was, O'Grady just couldn't get untracked. This cements my opinion that O'Grady gets crushed by Mancini had they ever fought.
     
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  3. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sal, you'll love this. The statistician in me came out over this and I actually compared your card to mine and George's. I still think it was a tight fight to score because the 3 of us only agreed on rounds 2 and 4. Wow!
     
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  4. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, it was kind of a messy fight really, though for the most part I thought Montallano was far more successful in doing what he wanted to do than O'Grady was.
     
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  5. lufcrazy

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    FOTY 1935

    Joe Louis vs Max Baer

    This is an exceptional showing by Louis. He shows he can jab on the back foot expertly, but also has the heart to slug it put whenever Baer opens up.

    In the third round he drops Baer heavily a couple of times and Baer actually is saved by the bell.

    Round 4 we see the more common approach of Louis jabbing on the front foot as he hunts and cuts down Baer.

    The finish was a beautiful combination of an over the top right hand and sweet left hook.

    Worth noting this is an absolute peak Max Baer, who had only just lost his title on points in a huge upset to Braddock.

    FOTY 1936

    This fight was far more competitive than I ever remembered it being. Louis swept the first two rounds and it wasn't really until round 3 that Schmelling began to time him with that famous right hand. He then drops Louis in round 4 with it. The rest of the rounds are actually really competitive, if anything Louis is edging it. But Max cannot miss with that right hand and he lands about 12 full power peaches on the chin of Louis, which eventually cracks in the 12th round.

    Two brilliant bouts and again its a shame we don't see HW fights at this skill level any more.
     
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  6. lufcrazy

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    FOTY 1937

    Joe Louis vs Tommy Farr

    Man this was underwhelming. It was basically Louis dictating with his short accurate combinations, then Farr has a bit of success out working Louis. Then Louis takes over again behind his short accurate combinations.
     
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  7. lufcrazy

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    FOTY 1938

    Lou Ambers vs Henry Armstrong

    Fight report:

    The early rounds saw Armstrong the aggressor and setting a wicked pace, out-working Ambers, his whirling, non-stop attack setting the terms. The champion battled back, but couldn’t quite match the furious, frenzied, two-fisted assault of “Hurricane Hank.” Just before the end of round five a powerful right to the jaw put Ambers down but the bell saved him from having to beat the count. Round six saw Armstrong in command and administering a heavy battering and another big right hand put Ambers down again, this time for a count of eight. When Lou rose Henry was all over him, pressuring relentlessly and pounding home vicious shots to the body.

    But if Armstrong was winning the match, he was also taking his share of punishment in a grueling, toe-to-toe war. It was a vicious slugfest, both men pitching and catching, and now Ambers was rebounding, taking the fight to Henry and winning rounds. By the tenth Armstrong was clearly ahead but he had suffered a deep gash inside his mouth along with cuts to both eyes and his blood was all over the ring. At the end of the round referee Billy Cavanagh came to Henry’s corner and announced he was going to stop the fight. “Don’t stop it,” said Henry. “I’m winning this fight.” “The ring is full of blood,” replied the referee. “And it’s your blood.” “Then I’ll stop bleeding,” said “Homicide Hank.”

    When the bell rang for round eleven Armstrong told his corner not to put in his mouthpiece and for the next five rounds he swallowed his own blood as he pursued and pounded away, but in round thirteen it was Ambers who dug in and gave more than he got, finally blunting Henry’s attack with his own offensive output and sparking a late round rally that thrilled the crowd. It was not enough to change the outcome, but at the final bell it was a dazed and exhausted Armstrong, not Ambers, who stumbled to his corner.
     
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  8. lufcrazy

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    FOTY 1939

    Joe Louis vs Bob Pastor

    Bob gives Joe a fair bit of trouble with his quick feet and quick hands, but like always in these fights, Louis catches up to Pastor and knocks him out.

    He really is the ultimate ring general, so calm in there, knowing he only needs that one moment, Pastor fought a good effort but it takes more than that to beat Joe Louis.
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    FOTY 1940

    Ceferino Garcia vs Henry Armstrong

    Armstrong fights an amazing fight here. I remember for years when this fight was rare and rumoured but its up there on YouTube in full colour for all to see now.

    Every round follows the same pattern, Garcia tries catching Armstrong on the way in, Armstrong bullies Garcia once inside.

    How this was scored a draw is bonkers. Armstrong has a better argument for a shut out than Garcia does for a draw here.

    Garcia has his moments in some rounds, but Armstrong does just as well in every round imo.

    I wasn't feeling the sympathy rounds at all and did pitch it a shutout for Hank.

    FOTY 1941

    Joe Louis vs Billy Conn

    This is legendary and there isn't much that can be said what hasn't already tbh.

    Conn fights a marvel of a fight dancing in and out, smothering Louis inside, peppering him from the outside, landing pretty much everything he throws.

    Louis catches him a few times but obviously Conn tastes it and feels like he can handle the power.

    In round 13 Louis catches him with a big combination but it doesn't really shake Conn who decides to meet fire with fire. They exchanged blows and Conn clearly comes off the worse Louis can see he's hurt and then just measures him up for big shot after big shot until Conn crumbles.
     
  10. lufcrazy

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    FOTY 1942

    Chalky Wright vs Willie Pep
    • Pep entered the fight with a professional record of 53-0.
    • Pep was a 2-1 favorite.
    • A crowd of 19,521 produced a gate of $71,686.70.
    • The Associated Press scored the fight 9-6 for Pep, and the United Press had it 10-4-1 for Pep.
    • The AP reported: "Pep piled up a big early lead with the use of a left jab that appeared to have a permanent parking place in Chalky's face, and then galloped out of harm's way as the aging California Negro chased him around the ring all the way down the stretch."
    FOTY 1943

    Bob Montgomery vs Beau Jack

    "Beau Jack was back on top of the lightweight heap today. Following new trainer, Larry Amadee's instructions to the letter, Beau regained the 135 lb. title by outpointing champion Bob Montgomery in a furious 15 rounder at MSG last night. At Amadee's instruction Beau stuck close to Montgomery. He mixed willingly at close quarters, slugged it out with both fists when the referee parted them from a clinch and coasted when Amadee gave the word. The Beau needed Amadee's advice because Montgomery put on a whilwind finish in the last five rounds. In the last two rounds, especially, Montgomery seemed to be on the verge of a knockout triumph, but somehow Beau stood up to cart off a unanimous decision." -Associated Press

    Unofficial scorecards:
    • AP - 8-6-1 Jack
    • UP - 8-5-2 Jack
    FOTY 1944

    Beau Jack vs Bob Montgomery

    He retook the title from Beau Jack on March 3, 1944 at Madison Square Garden in a fifteen-round split decision before 19,066 fans.
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    Jack had led in the early betting. The fighting was fierce and close throughout and Montgomery was given no more than a two-round advantage by the judges or referee, though the Associated Press scored the bout 8 for Montgomery, 4 for Jack, and three even.
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    3 years in a row and not a second of footage between them. FML.
     
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  11. lufcrazy

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    FOTY 1945

    Rocky Graziano vs Red Cochrane

    Graziano was outboxed in the first eight rounds, but knocked down Cochrane at the end of the 9th (he was saved by the bell) and again in the 10th for the full count.
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    Another one i can't see.
     
  12. salsanchezfan

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    Just finished Gavilan - Bratton 2, which ended in draw. Good, fun fight as is typical of Gavilan. Lots of mugging and taunting and gamesmanship, reminiscent of a modern fight in that regard.

    I love Gavilan, he was such great theater. He had a knack of making you watch HIM, rather than his opponent so he always gave the impression of doing more. Exaggerated moves, the bolo, the shuffle, the sudden and strategic bursts of punches out of nowhere........electric stuff.

    Bratton for his part fought decently well, but his moves, his punches, everything seemed smaller and less significant somehow. Even his mugging and exaggerating of his bolos seemed a pale imitation of his opponent. I had it like this:

    1. G
    2. G
    3. E
    4. B
    5. B
    6. G
    7. G
    8. B
    9. G
    10. G

    97-94 Gavilan
     
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  13. lufcrazy

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    FOTY 1946

    Tony Zale vs Rocky Graziano
    • Graziano was a slight betting favorite.
    • Graziano was down for a five-count in the first round, but he came back and dropped Zale at the end of the second round for a three-count. Graziano continued to pound away savagely, and after five rounds, Zale looked like a beaten fighter. But then came the unexpected in the sixth round. Showing the heart of a champion, Zale, who injured his right hand in the second round, gathered the strength to fire a terrific right to Graziano's solar plexus and followed it up with a left hook to the chin. Graziano went down and didn't rise until just after referee Ruby Goldstein completed the count of ten.
    • Zale had to be propped up and led around the ring carefully as he waved to the crowd after the knockout. The Associated Press wrote that Zale "looked like a man who had been in hand-to-hand combat with a buzzsaw, and somehow, much to his own astonishment, had come out ahead."
    • There was a crowd of 39,827 and the gross gate was $342,497.
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    Tony Zale vs Rocky Graziano

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    • There was a crowd of 18,547 at Chicago Stadium.
    • In the second round, Zale opened a severe cut over Graziano's left eye. In the third round, a solid right dropped Graziano for no count. Zale pummeled Graziano against the ropes as the round ended. Round four brought more of the same punishment to Graziano, whose right eye was now swollen shut. In between the fourth and fifth rounds,
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    • The first two fights between Zale and Graziano are considered two of the greatest fights of all-time, but there was no known film of either fight. Fortunately, some footage of the second fight eventually surfaced.

    Another 2 years, another 2 fights not filmed.
     
  14. McGrain

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    Roman Martinez UD12 Orlando Salido

    Roman Martinez had a really interesting career. Cracekd by Burns, beats Salido, then the crazy rematch, brutalised by Loma and Garcia...but there are a couple of nice wins in his career and this was surely the best of them. Weird opener; Salido keeping a very gentle pressure on and Roman, probably unable to believe his luck, doesn't do much with the proud, but probably out-works and out-roughs Salido the opener, which is ridiculous.

    Most definitely that opener could have gone either way though and would be scored evenly under a civilised scoring system. Salido steps the pressure up in the second and stands Roman spilling a little untidily back on his heels and he generally looks unsteady in this round, not from punches though - still it looks good and the pressure eis making him dis-organised, which, after all, is the purpose of pressure so much as anything else. This is Saldio's round, he gets under the Roman guard for spells. Looks bigger though and he forces Salido back with punches as the round enters the last fifty seconds - Salido fires back but he's been spoken to.

    This is a pretty decent contest over two, but not as good as the Mexican commentators are letting on, they are going mental. Did you know that since they started importing cheaper American corn in a big way, Mexicans have become more obese than Americans on average? Or did for a while. Pretty crazy. Anyway, neither fighter has settled on a pattern yet, not that that is mandatory. Salido eases off sometimes, edging back in small increments, that doesn't work well for him, Roman finds him. Roman himself, he isn't sure how he wants to deal with the Salido pressure yet, does he want to move, or stage a fighting retreat? It will come to a fighting retreat sooner or later, but not in the third where he elects to move (unlike the second) and lands hard punches on Salido to take the round clear - wow, actually finds Salido with a straight right down the pipe late and really hurts him. Salido up at seven and being veteran.

    This is a good fight.

    To the great pleasure of every watching trainer anywhere around the world, Martinez returns to his boxing in the fourth - Salido takes advantage of this though and has a good recovery round. He's dipping, rushing, trying to land one or two punches in those untidy rushes, taking away Roman's coordination. Fight has now caught up with the commentary team, it's that good. Siri spoken to early in the fifth for using the head. He's continuing his rushing style while Roman has entered that fighting retreat we talked about, also chucking in some holding now, which is a shame. It's very, very untidy when Siri gets inside now which actually works for both men - Siri because it helps him neutralise a superior boxer, Roman because he's limiting Siri's scoring opportunities up close. Salido bosses the round with bodywork, probably, and is therefore on the cusp of evening it up, but after being spoken to for low blows he loses a little of his rhthym and is hurt by a straight right, tries to fight back, and is bundled to the floor again, another heavyish knockdown. Martinez comes for him. Bell maybe saves him, though Martinez was untidy there. Disaster for Siri - round he was winning becomes one he loses 10-8.

    God bless Salido - he wins the sixth with brave pressure and a clubbing right hand - until the final thirty seconds when Roman hurts him and drives him to the ropes. It's a close round, but one in which I feel Roman landed the harder stuff and so i'm scoring it to him, though scoring it either way is fine with me. Mexican TV agrees with me. Problem is, that's probably Rocky out of sight. It's only 4-2 but with two knockdowns...Salido needs everything remaining. He gets the seventh for me, pretty clear, though Roman fights back bravely in the pocket under some beltline/borderline attention. Superb round of aggressive boxing.

    Martinez does the cleaner work under pressure in the eighth, Salido is warned again for low blows. He looked ragged in the eighth, he's been working hard. Martinez is breaking at full pace sometimes, all lateral, it's a skill to be able to move so quickly laterally and it buys him some time. His stamina is extraordinary; again in the ninth, he runs, he stages that fighting retreat, but has enough to brutalise Siri with a right late to take the round; Siri fights back though. Zero quit in that man. He wins the tenth, too, swinging away.

    Salido loses a point in the eleventh though, and must know it's stoppage or bust. It's been coming, probably, but it's sad to see as he's been on the slab a bit. He was probably even winning the eleventh but he gets tagged heavily after the restart and Roman takes over a little bit to bag it.

    MARTINEZ:1,3*,5*,6,8,9,11^,12.
    SALIDO:2,4,7,10

    *Salido down.
    ^Saldio has a point taken off for low blows.

    I had it 116-109.

    Official cards: 116-109, 114-11, 115-110.

    Very good fight.
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    FOTY 1948

    Tony Zale vs Marcel Cerdan

    This is a bit of a sad fight for me. Its basically Zale being out slugged and then as he tires he tries spoiling up close but eats right hand after right hand over the top.

    Eventually it's a left hook that finishes it, seems to knock him out on his feet.

    Definitely a past prime Zale, Champion or not.
     


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