the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Gatti isn’t one of my favorites but I enjoy his wars: he took money out of the sport in direct proportion to what he gave to the sport — few left as much of themselves in the ring as Thunder.

    There’s ability and then there’s entertainment. I have no problem with two warriors like Gatti and Ward picking up a few nice paydays for putting themselves and each other through what they did while someone ‘more skillful’ puts me to sleep with boring fight after boring fight.
     
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    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're right about Gatti, the Gamache debacle is unsettling but the rules in place allowed for that to happen, stupid as it is.

    As to Paz, I'd actually be very interested to see your card for the first Haugen fight. The second one is a no-brainer as Haugen solidly whipped him but the first one was hotly disputed.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    It's a very difficult balance. On the one hand, no casuals, no bigtime boxing; on the other hand, you know that feeling when the casuals are dictating the matchmaking. Trying to think of a fight that sums it up perfectly...Khan-Barrera. But Floyd-Gatti not that far behind that.
     
  4. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There's also something appealing about the Everyman who makes it big by means of his own grit. I don't really need every fighter to display ATG skills. At the end of the day we tune in for entertainment. He certainly gave more of that than most.
     
  5. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

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    It’s an interesting topic. I do feel the dislike of Gatti is misplaced myself. Yes, he wasn’t an elite talent but he had incredible heart that can be admired at any level of the game.
     
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    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

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    Cool, Scar - glad you saw it and enjoyed it! I’m on a bit of a Gatti binge as you can probably tell. Watched Gatti-Ruelas this morning and have started on the first Robinson fight.
     
  7. McGrain

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    Emanuel Navarrete TKO12 Isaac Dogboe

    Dogboe wining hooks with the left hand in the first, using the right as a makeweight, I think that's a Dogboe round. Good start. But he needs this pace if he's going to make it and maybe sustaining it will be a part of the TKO problem. Also a part of the TKO problem: Navarrete landing uppercuts, with which he steals the second despite the excellent Dogboe bodywork. We have a fight. Hurtful, hurtful third for Dogboe. He gets handled in the third. Getting hard to watch by the fourth. Dogboe's cornerman is his dad. His dad predicted he would be a champion as a holy edict from god. It might be the case that he's overextending his son who has sparred mainly with family.

    Dogboe dropped in the sixth, trying something different, moving away to his left and trying to counter-push, but he ends up on the end of as series of horrible left hooks,body, head, body, head, takes evasive action, cornered, driven back, just kind of spun off into the ropes by a left behind the ear.

    Navarrete looks all grown up. Fight becomes hard to watch from about the eighth. In the ninth, Dogboe is nearly ditched by big straight punches and holds on to make it to bell. Navarrete looks tied smashing his face in. The fight could be stopped anytime now. This is a disgusting thrashing.

    In the twelfth, Dogboe finally breaks; he keeps coming forward, eats short hooks, keeps throwing punches to his great credit - absolutely shows elite heart - but is finally punched to an exhausted standstill with the fight waved off by the corner after a KD from which Dogboe, unbelievably, climbed. Harsh.

    Navarrete:2,3,4,6*,7,8,9,10,11.
    Dogboe:1,5.

    *Dogboe down
     
  8. McGrain

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    I don't need every fighter to display ATG skills. But it's nice if every multi-multi-millionare displays ATG skills. Because if there's an "I'm so brave" fighter going overpaid, there's always a really, really talented fighter going underpaid. I am disappoint.
     
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    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But this is a box-office business.

    Lots of ‘great’ movies that the critics drool over do zip at the box office and most of those art-house films don’t pay the big bucks.

    If a guy has AGT skills, he owes it to himself to display them in a fashion that puts butts in seats and entices viewers to watch or pay PPV money to see.

    Attractions always make money because attractions generate money.
     
  10. George Crowcroft

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    So Sal, I've got nothing on this weekend, so I thought I'd get right to it.

    First of, thanks for the recommendation. This was a very good fight. All three judges had it 9-6 for Paz. I had it closer, here's my scorecard:

    Paz-Greg
    10 : 9
    9 : 10
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    10 : 9 (49/46)
    9 : 10
    10 : 9
    9 : 10
    9 : 10
    9 : 10 (95/95)
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    9 : 10
    9 : 10
    10 : 9 (143/142)

    Some of these rounds were really, really close. The ones I thought you could genuinely have go either way were rounds: two, nine, ten, eleven, and fifteen. I felt Haugen got the better of some of the closer rounds due to his jab and what appeared to be harder, cleaner punching.

    I thought Vinny's speed and more importantly, higher workrate was a big factor early. Greg was trying to lead up too much, and following Vinny instead off cutting off the ring. Greg looked to turn the tables in the sixth but let the momentum go in the seventh. As Vinny tired, Greg's style seemed to work more and more. Paz had a strong round in the twelfth and nicked the fifteenth to get the win on my card, but Greg had it in the thirteenth and fourteenth. Despite having Vinny winning, I think a draw woulda been the best result here. No-one deserves to lose a fight this tough and this close.

    I liked some of the stuff Paz was doing here. His little pivots and shuffles on the outside were really nice to watch, shame he'd needlessly switch stances so much. I also really liked the main combination he scored with in the mid rounds. He'd crouch, feint to the body and come up with a lead right, and sometimes he'd add a hook or a jab on it whilst pivoting off. Somewhat ironically, it's a little reminiscent of Roy Jones IMO. Haugen had some really good counters, especially as Vinny slowed/gassed. When he could maintain the distance to use it, his jab was very snappy. I liked how quickly he put together a short combo too, especially when Vinny was sloppily diving in.

    I don't know if @scartissue, @Jel or @PhillyPhan69 have scored this one, but I'd be interested in their cards.

    Great fight.
     
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    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I honestly can't remember how I scored it, to be honest. I should get to that this weekend. Good fight though, for sure. We're still proud of Greg here. He's a kook.
     
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  12. George Crowcroft

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    I didn't like him. He looks like a kid I didn't like in school. Although he showed plenty of respect for Paz after this one was over, and didn't seem bitter about the decision, choosing to congratulate Vinney rather than complain.

    Made me take to him, that. I thought he came off as a bit of a tosspot in the Whitaker fight, though.
     
  13. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh, he's an #$%hole, no question. But he's OUR $#% hole if that makes any sense. I went to school with a couple of his sisters. I always joke that I'd sooner fight him than them.
     
  14. Jel

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    Frankie Liles v Tim Littles 2

    Wild and crazy fight - not an aesthetic treat by any means with sloppy action, fouls and a bit of wrestling thrown in for good measure but it was still a lot of fun.

    The hot-headed Littles hit Liles low, rabbit punched him and threw him to the mat but he also managed to knock him clean out of the ring at the start of the third. Liles did a bit of holding of his own to survive the follow up and then detonated a bomb of a hook on Littles' already-fragile chin to end the fight.

    Oh yeah, and Littles was down once each in the first and second rounds as well. Bonkers.

    1 10-8 (Littles down; Bell sounds to end the round a minute early! That saved a very early KO defeat for Littles)
    2 10-7 (Blatant hitting behind the head from Littles, then he gets dropped again and the bell saves him again - at least it was a full 3 minutes this time)
    (20-15)
    3 Liles TKO Littles (Liles gets punched out of the ring, recovers and flattens Littles at the end of the third. No saving him this time)
     
  15. McGrain

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    Jessis Magdaleno UD12 Nonito Donaire

    Magdaleno takes the first. He's aggressive and seeks to put his southpaw jab on Donaire's belly. When he gets inside he works roughly; generals a close round. Donaire is trying to snap off his own jab to the head but looks a little colder. Magdaleno's gloves are black with maroon text, it's lovely. Anyway, second round, he wins it big, out-hooks Donaire, doubles it up too and starts to have success with the trialing left. Donaire, frankly, looks in trouble.

    He fights more aggressively in the third and Magdaleno abandons his plan to push Donaire back and instead coutnerpunches, winning the round clean with this new strategy. He is alive to punching opportunities and although Donaire has some success with the straight, overall, he's bossed here. And that's alarming. Magdaleno has taken control of the real estate and is still being clearly out-punched. Magdaleno is being careful not to overhit, careful not to take more than is there. Magdaleno cut by a clash of heads. Over the left eye.

    Donaire bosses the fifth; counters with bodyshots, an uppercut, a gorgeous straight right. He's decided this is the moment. It's not high energy by the end of the round though and Magdaleno starts to squeak back into it. Alternately moving to his left and holding his ground, Magdaleno takes charge in the sixth though, staffing Donaire with hard hooks. He never goes beyond one or one-two and it's good discipline that goes over the heads of the commentary team who have been calling for him to be "patient". He has remained patient since go, just a different kind of patience, absolutely avoiding greed. Huge round for him to win after Donaire taking control in the fifth; Donaire also takes control of the seventh returning to his first strategy but he's learned his hook is not the punch now. So he stalks Magdaleno, countering with the right hand, leading with the jab, and towards round end lands a gorgeous lead uppercut to the gut, probably having placed his man out of position with headshots throughout the round. Good, interesting wrinkle and a crucial round for Donaire to win.

    Scoring in commentary is atrocious. One of them managed to give the sixth as an even round (clear, clear round for Magdaleno). The Twitter public vote is even worse, they have Donaire by shut out.

    The eighth is very brutal, both of them landing very hard single shots, Donaire stalking. I like Magdaleno; his left hand to the body is hideous. Donaire now needs at least a KD on my card. Magdaleno makes himself Don in the ninth. Driven back by Donaire punches, hit hard along the ropes, he changes Donaire, drives him back to the opposite ropes, lands hurtful right hands to take the ninth clearly. That one was key, could have gone either way up until that point. Magdaleno looks faster and surer. He looks a better fighter now.

    Booming right hand to open the tenth for Donaire, huge punch, Magdaleno staggers back and looks to move. He handles it well though, no panic. You get the impression that these two could fight 100 rounds and Magdaleno would always dominate but would never be safe. So interesting though that he took away Donaire's left hook; his own jab/right-hook too good. So Donaire is coming with the straight - he's the one "not hooking with the hooker". Sensational. Having said that, Donaire lands the hook and wins the eleventh with that punch!

    This was a very good, very absorbing fight. I really liked it a lot.

    115-113 Magdaleno

    Magdaleno:1,2,3,4,6,8,9.
    Donaire:5,7,10,11,12.

    Official: 116-112x2, 118-110.