the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. Jel

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    Victor Galindez v Yaqui Lopez 1

    After watching their rematch from 1978, I decided to go back and see their original fight from the previous year.

    This was a razor thin victory for Galindez but a more convincing performance from him than in the rematch. I would be comfortable with this being scored a draw or a Lopez win as neither fighter had a significant edge.

    It was a customarily slow start from Galindez before he started picking up rounds. He was more aggressive in this fight than in the rematch and that included some rabbit punches that he landed on Lopez (something Lopez was clearly not happy about during the fight and that he complained about in his 'The best I faced' interview in the Ring magazine). I do feel though that Lopez has less cause for grievance about this result and Galindez did enough to hold on to his title, unlike the rematch where he was just lucky.

    1 9-10
    2 9-10 (close)
    3 9-10
    4 9-10
    5 10-9
    6 10-9
    7 10-9
    8 10-9
    9 9-10
    10 10-9
    11 10-9
    12 9-10
    13 9-10 (close)
    14 10-9
    15 10-9 (close)

    Galindez 143-142 Lopez
     
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    Victor Galindez v Richie Kates 2

    Continuing with the Victor Galindez theme, this is the 1977 rematch defense against Richie Kates who had given him such trouble the previous year in South Africa.

    Not a patch on their first fight but a very controlled and dominant performance from Galindez. In truth, Kates was never really in it but any doubt about which way the momentum was going was snuffed out in the championship rounds, which Galindez swept on my card.

    1 9-10 (close)
    2 10-9
    3 10-9 (Galindez has Kates in trouble against the ropes)
    4 10-10
    5 10-9
    6 10-9 (close)
    7 9-10 (close)
    8 10-9 (good combos from Galindez)
    9 9-10 (close again)
    10 10-9 (well-timed flurries from Galindez)
    11 10-9 (Galindez controlling the fight; Kates looking like he's a little lost in there - out of ideas)
    12 10-9 (Kates looking weary now)
    13 10-9
    14 10-9 (bit scrappy)
    15 10-9

    Galindez 147-139 Kates
     
  3. scartissue

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    Just caught a real bug watching Zora Folley today against George Chuvalo. Started looking for any other fights of his and landed on his 10 rounder with Oscar Bonavena, Again, what a technician and tactician Folley was. So conservative with his shots but would spear Oscar throughout with that stabbing jab and then nail Oscar with the sneakiest of rights, while avoiding many bull-rushes. He dropped Oscar hard in the 8th and nearly did the same at the end of the 4th. I only gave Oscar the 3rd round and a share of the 4th. I scored that round even because Oscar was having a bit of success most of the round and it was only the last punch that hurt Oscar. A true gentleman that Folley. He caught Oscar who may have gone down, and helped him to his corner. I had it 8-1-1 for Zora. I believe official scores were 9-1, 9-1 and 10-0 for Folley. Again, just a brilliant fighter to watch. BTW, unfortunately there was no sound on the film I viewed in case you're gearing up for this. I don't mind listening to Dunphy, but I do like to hear the thud of those gloves, which was unfortunately missing.
     
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    I was looking for another slam-bang affair and decided upon the first bout between Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas. Strangely enough, I found no history on this thread on this fight, so it's well worth checking out. Here we go.

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Mosley
    Round 3: 10-9 Mosley
    Round 4: 10-9 Vargas
    Round 5: 10-9 Vargas
    Round 6: 10-9 Mosley
    Round 7: 10-9 Vargas
    Round 8: 10-9 Mosley
    Round 9: 10-10 Even
    Round 10: Referee stops contest due to excessive swelling on Vargas' left eye.

    Total through 9 completed rounds: 87-86 Mosley (official scores: 86-85 twice for Mosley and 86-85 for Vargas)

    I was never a big Vargas fan but I was very impressed with his bodywork during this fight. If not for the closed eye I think this fight would have gone down to the wire as they were both in it.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    How do you search for just one thread?
     
  6. scartissue

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    Under the scorecard thread click on the search button and put in 'Vargas' and check off the 'this thread only' box and enter. In the case of Vargas, 49 posts popped up. You don't have to open each one. There is enough info visible to see most of them were Vargas against DeLaHoya or Quartey, but none about Mosley.
     
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  7. lufcrazy

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    Whyte vs Povetkin.

    No one can tell me there's a superior division to HW.
     
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  8. McGrain

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    All of them, I would say.
     
  9. George Crowcroft

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    Specifically light-heavyweight.
     
  10. lufcrazy

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    Not. A. Chance.
     
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    Heavyweights are inferior by definition.
     
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    Well I love Cokes' Ko of Ludwick, same round, way more than the one I watched tonight; I was in my mother's kitchen thrilling to Michael Watson's KO of Dangerous Don Lee, same round; Antonio Avelar TKO5 Alfonso Lopez, god damn. Just how much faster and more skilled were these men than Whyte and ancient Povetkin? Hard to say. I'm not an expert in factors. But just off the top of my head, just thinking of knockouts in the fifth, it's very easy to think of much more skilled fighters scoring significant knockdown in the same round.

    I won't insist, really, that 105lbs is better because of the short history, but for speed and skill heavyweight is for obvious reasons much the inferior. Heavyweight probably better for...big guys.
     
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  13. lufcrazy

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    HW is better for the sheer drama it produces. The tension. The knockouts. The sheer blunt force trauma. The baddest man on the planet.
     
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    This reminds me of the sheer fear I felt when Tyson and Bruno were signed to fight in the rematch.

    And I mean scared. Like I would cry in the playground at the thought of Bruno being knocked out brutally.

    And then he was.

    And then the next week I watched Poltergeist for the first time.

    And I wasn't even 10.

    Man 96 was a scary year.
     
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    Nonito Donaire UD12 Omar Andres Narvaez

    Interesting this, both unbeaten, Narvaez moving up from superfly for a mission impossible. And I think he kind of knew it - he didn't contest the fight, he tried to survive it. Donaire was knocking out everybody at the time, eight of his last nine opponents and to be fair, he did survive - the cost? He was beaten 12-zip.

    No need for a scorecard here, Donaire pretty clearly won every single round and indeed was given every single round on every single card. Some stuff:

    - Narvaez feinted beautifully to absolutely no effect throughout. His favourite was a dip of the knee like he was about to sling a right hook or a straight punch but he generally didn't bother. So, naturally, the feint became less affective as time passed.
    - Omar has a great chin. He was only stopped once in a long career (amateur and pro) by The Monster, in two.
    - Omar has a good southpaw left and just made Donaire a bit uncomfortable about throwing his right.
    - Donaire was SO winning that he didn't need to take any risks, he knew he was in total control
    - Donaire almost entirely abandoned the jab after the second round and it showed. He did less well buying his shots and Narvaez, who is experienced, was able to smother, ride, and dump Donaire's big shots. Bad mistake from Donaire this.
    - Omar has very organised footwork. His positioning is as good as anyone you will see and he knows exactly where he is at all times. He doesn't have the speed or strength to use this to contest with Donaire, but he can and does use it defensively.
    - I think Donaire kind of admired him a bit. You say this in Pacman-Mosley; Pacman probably could have chased the stoppage but he like Shane and didn't want to hurt him. Might be a little bit of that here.
    - Good defensive hands. Omar got em.

    Narvaez was paid a quarter of a million dollars.