the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    If I as actually in charge of this forum I would ban you for chat in the scorecard thread. I have no power.

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  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

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    Oh, well I wish CST & IB would get slozzled then. They have the power.

    And then you'd be denying a 13 year old of his life long dream

    I'd have to use an alt!
     
  3. Jel

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    Livingstone Bramble v Ray Mancini 1

    Somehow never watched this one. The writing was on the wall in this one as early as the 4th although Bramble started to gain the ascendancy from the 7th round on. From there, I didn't give Mancini a round. Tough to watch a likeable champ take a beating like that but credit to Bramble for battling a tough fighter in a hostile arena.

    1 9-10 (Mancini edges an all-action opener but gets a bad cut for his troubles. An omen?)
    2 9-10 (Mancini probably edging it due to volume although Bramble is throwing short effective shots)
    3 10-9 (another hard-fought, close and competitive round. Mancini started it well before Bramble switched to southpaw and started landed good, hard shots)
    4 9-10 (Mancini won the round but Bramble is taking everything he throws without effect whereas Bramble's shots seem to be visibly bothering Mancini)
    5 10-9 (tough round to score. Mancini still throwing more but Bramble snaps Ray's head back with every punch he lands)
    6 9-10
    7 10-9 (Bramble switches to southpaw again and lands with more frequency)
    8 10-9 (Bramble gaining in confidence now as he starts to land harder shots and Ray is looking ragged. The momentum is definitely with the challenger.)
    9 10-9 (Ray is clearly in trouble - he can't seem to hurt Bramble, who is pot shotting and staggers Mancini, squaring him up. This is a war of attrition but the writing is already on the wall)
    10 10-9 (closer round as Mancini tries to pick his shots a bit rather than wade in but gets tagged increasingly as the round goes on)
    11 10-9 (Mancini surviving in there on toughness now as he is thoroughly outgunned)
    12 10-9 (crazy to think if this had been a 12 rounder, Mancini would have retained his title. Bramble has swept the last 6 on my card).
    13 10-9 (Mancini still slugging away gamely but it's futile - Bramble is dominating him)
    (126-121)
    14 Bramble TKO Mancini (ref steps in with a perfectly timed stoppage)
     
  4. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Terrific fight, almost as intriguing as the rematch.
     
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  5. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Livingstone Bramble v Boom Boom Mancini II

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Mancini
    Round 3: 10-9 Mancini
    Round 4: 10-9 Bramble
    Round 5: 10-10 Even
    Round 6: 10-9 Mancini
    Round 7: 10-9 Bramble
    Round 8: 10-9 Bramble
    Round 9: 10-10 Even
    Round 10: 10-10 Even
    Round 11: 10-9 Bramble
    Round 12: 10-9 Bramble
    Round 13: 10-9 Mancini
    Round 14: 10-9 Bramble
    Round 15: 10-9 Bramble

    Total: 146-143 Bramble

    The first time I watched it live and had it a draw, just tallying in my head. Pen-to-paper, I've got bramble the winner. But, to tell you the truth, if I scored this fight again right now I'm sure my score would be different and maybe a draw. Each round was contested so tightly. So great watching a real championship fight contested bitterly over 15 rounds.
     
  6. Bujia

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    So, fellas, is it looked down upon to not score fights? That’s the main reason I don’t post in this thread.

    To clarify, I score live fights (on the rare occasion I watch them) and fights known to be close/controversial. Or if I’m asked to do so for one reason or another. Otherwise I don’t really bother. I just immerse myself in the action. Afterwards, I ruminate to gather my thoughts and form an overall opinion.
     
  7. McGrain

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    "Looked down on" is strong language, no, that's not accurate. That said, i do consider the most serious posters, the most serious ones about boxing, the ones that post in this thread. There's an astonishing number of people who post on the forum who don't actually watch that much boxing. It's mad. I won't name names, but there are a lot of guys that really don't watch that much fighting. These guys, you can see that they do.

    Second, there's a difference between watching a fight and watching a fight with attention. Lots of people "have the boxing on" but aren't paying attention to how things happen. Scoring fights tends to induce learning of those sorts of things. There's often a skills gap in analysing fights when you discuss boxing with people who don't score fights.

    However, some of what you say has merit. Sometimes I get so into determining who is controlling the action, who is landing more meaningfully, I might miss an aspect of how he's achieving it which I'll pick up when seeing the fight in a more casual manor later on. It's hard to strike a balance.
     
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    Bujia Active Member Full Member

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    That balance is the primary reason. Sometimes it’s no issue to watch, analyze, and score simultaneously, and not just because the fight is one sided or whatever. Hard to explain. I’ll just say some days I’m on, some I’m not. Eliminating the responsibility of having to nit-pick who might’ve had a slight edge in this or that round makes it a lot easier to get into the groove of the fights. Eventually that just became my default mode. I’ve found it a more enjoyable experience, even if it limits my participation in certain discussions.

    But then, if I’m that interested in the topic there’s no downside to just watching it again, even if it alters my original view.
     
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  9. salsanchezfan

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    Jeff Chandler W15 Gaby Canizales

    Decent scrap, one of those that's close through six and then the champ just puts it into another gear and simply pulls away. I gave Gaby rounds 2, 3, 5, and 15 with the 12th even to make it 146-140 Chandler.

    Canizales has a beautiful hook downstairs, it just perfect. Credit to Chandler for withstanding those shots and coming back so strong. Gaby looked solid and well-schooled and obviously in great shape, holding his technique and continuing to bore in till the final bell, i was quite impressed. But Chandler is just a notch above and when he decided about the 6th round that he was going to start punching freely, he began to pull away, keeping Gaby busy fending off multiple combinations, illustrating the difference between a USBA-level title and a world title. More polish, more savvy, more everything.

    Chandler, for all his skinniness, can take some shots. The body punches Canizales threw would cave in the sides of many, but he never wavered.
     
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  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sal, I gave Gaby rounds 2, 3, 5 and 13 with rounds 4 and 10 even for a 146-141 score for Jeff. So we were very tight in our score.
     
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    Curtis Parker v David Love

    Continuing my fixation with Curtis Parker (I just seem to like this type of swarming fighter like Frankie Warren, Chillin Charley Riley, et al), here is his bout with David Love, which I also saw live back in 80. Love went into this fight with a hex over Philly fighters, having beaten Bennie Briscoe, Bobby Watts, Willie Monroe and Perry Abney. New Jersey rules - rounds basis.

    Round 1: Parker
    Round 2: Parker
    Round 3: Love
    Round 4: Parker
    Round 5: Parker
    Round 6: Parker
    Round 7: Parker
    Round 8: Parker (Parker appears to drop him at the end of the round but the ref doesn't count and just shows Love to his corner when the bell rings. I would have scored this 10-8 on the points system, but with NJ rules he just wins the round)
    Round 9: Parker drops and stops Love

    Total: 7-1 Parker (I don't know the official scores)

    David Love was a very sharp and precise hitter. He had a very nice boxing style with a lot of heart but just couldn't keep Parker off of him. Regarding the 3rd round for Love. That wasn't a pity round, he deserved it. Good fight even though one-sided in score, because Love never stopped trying.
     
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    Tommy Hearns v Iran Barkley 2

    I haven't seen the first fight, but this one was terrific. Would've been even better over 15. It made me go and check what won fight of the year in 1992 to make sure I'd seen it if it was deemed better than this (Bowe Holyfield 1). Hearns may have spent the middle rounds of this fight assuming Barkley would have to slow down and ease up at some point, but he never ever did. He was relentless for the whole 12. The knockdown in the 4th is picture perfect. I wonder if Hearns regretted not boxing more rounds at range where he had the better of things, but Barkley's forehead was on his shoulder almost all night. Overall it's one of those ights where both boxers land the same number of punches or thereabouts, but one of them throws many more. Which do you prefer? Despite the implication there that this fight was close, I had Barkley winning 115-112. Can't really make a case for Hearns winning despite the split decision. I commend this fight wholeheartedly.

    Meaningless trivia - both Paul Banke and Tommy Morrison were on the undercard. Linked by AIDS of course.
     
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  13. Jel

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    Hi Scar, just watched this tonight.

    Livingstone Bramble v Ray Mancini 2

    Much better performance from Mancini this time, who learned a bit from his performance in the first fight and applied more intelligent pressure, pacing himself, picking his shots and not disregarding his defense.

    Bramble was just as strong and smart as the first fight, but with fewer opportunities to counter. He looked to be pulling away to a comfortable victory before Mancini rallied in the championship rounds but a couple of strong rounds at the end saw him home.

    1 9-10 (close)
    2 10-9 (great action)
    3 9-10 (close again)
    4 10-9 (Bramble landing banging shots towards the end of the round to take it)
    5 10-9 (Mancini cut again, not as bad as the first fight)
    6 9-10 (great action - Mancini fought back well after a shaky start)
    7 10-9 (this is a back and forth, round by round)
    8 9-10
    9 10-9 (Bramble back on top)
    10 10-9
    11 10-9
    12 9-10 (close. Mancini's best round for a while)
    13 9-10 (good round for Mancini)
    14 10-10
    15 10-9 (close. Fine final round)
    Bramble 144-142 Mancini
     
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    Bobby Chacon v Arturo Frias

    Wow, this is a fight Bobby Chacon had no right to win - he was smaller and seemingly overmatched from the start. Frias didn't seem to be having any issues with Chacon's power and had every conceivable advantage but couldn't put Bobby away and then folded spectacularly while comfortably ahead on my card. Only Bobby Chacon...

    1 8-10 (wild opening round punctuated by Frias dropping Chacon)
    2 9-10 (Frias is clearly the bigger, stronger fighter and he is bullying Chacon)
    3 10-10 (Chacon comes back after a shaky start to take a share of the round)
    4 10-9 (close)
    5 9-10 (close again - just back and forth constantly)
    6 10-10
    7 Chacon TKO Frias
     
  15. salsanchezfan

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    Nazarov Orzubek W12 Dingaan Thobela 1

    Kind of a boring one, which I had Nazarov winning 119-109. Thobela fought not to look bad, not to win. His only moment, and the only round I gave him was when he momentarily dropped Nazarov after essentially doing nothing before landing that one punch. Because it was just the one shot in a round in which he was getting pretty well handled, I gave him only a 10-9 round. Never went by the notion that you HAD to award the winner the extra point for a knockdown no questions asked. This is one of those times.
     
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