the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. Bujia

    Bujia Active Member Full Member

    Jul 2, 2020
    Now for the Arbachakov fights to add to that knockdown total!
  2. cleming

    cleming Active Member Full Member

    Sep 3, 2012
    Have a look at both fights vs Tacy Macalos, and Alberto Jimenez. Great stuff :)
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  3. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 22, 2004
    Sorry, forgot to include my scorecard......

    1. K
    2. K
    3. K
    4. K
    5. C, 10-7
    6. K
    7. C
    8. C
    9. C
    10. K
    11. C, 10-8

    104-102 for Chang at the time of the stoppage.
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  4. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

    Oct 20, 2017
    Rocky Marciano v Archie Moore

    I know he's a devisive fighter on this forum (mostly from people either vastly overrating or vastly underrating him) but Rocky Marciano sure was a fun fighter to watch and this is a fun fight.

    Marciano's stamina is what impresses me most about him here. He seems to get stronger and his workrate increases as the fight goes on - how many heavyweights is that said about? Moore does all he can to stay in the fight but he is outgunned by a younger, fitter fighter who is just as tough as he is.

    I'd have loved to see what Marciano would have done in the cruiserweight division - he'd be perfect for it.

    1 10-10
    2 8-10
    3 10-9
    4 10-9
    5 9-10 (close)
    6 10-7
    7 10-9
    8 10-8
    9 Marciano KO Moore
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  5. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 22, 2004
    Just watched Gilberto Roman KO 9 Antoine Montero. Wow. Massively impressed with Roman. I'd seen snippets of him here and there and watched perhaps half of his title-winning effort against Watanabe, but first time watching a full fight. He's tremendous.

    Montero seems no sloich, a southpaw with a high work rate, but Roman is so slippery and his anticipation and head and upper-body movement are so, so good. Reminds me a bit of Canto with more pop. One of my favorite new combinations is his straight right to the head followed by a right uppercut to the side of the head followed by a right uppercut to the chin. It's a thing of beauty. You have to have quickness and great feet to do that and he does.

    Montero tries to fight by the book and crowd Roman, but eats too many of such shots and backs off, trying by the seventh to fight from outside. Yeah, no.......not any better out there. He bravely tries to take in inside again but toward the end of the 8th is inundated with the blizzard of sharp punches Roman has waiting for him.

    The ninth sees the end, as Roman picks up where he left off the previous round. The referee wisely steps in. Brilliant, brilliant performance. Surgical, patient, and shows an enormously high ring IQ.

    1. R
    2. R
    3. R
    4. M
    5. E
    6. R
    7. R
    8. R

    79-74 Roman at the time of the stoppage.
  6. cleming

    cleming Active Member Full Member

    Sep 3, 2012
    Antoine Montero is in my opinion one of the best fighter to ever come from France. He would be most definilty world champion material nowadays, but lost against three monsters in the 80's, performing gallantly each times. He also lost a wonderful European title fight against Louis "Le Cubain" Gomis.
  7. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 22, 2004
    I'll search for that, thanks!

    Yeah, I saw nothing wrong with what Montero was doing, he was fine. Roman was just incredible.
  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    After watching Lupe Aquino against Duane Thomas yesterday, I wanted to see more action fights so I tuned in to two more of his fights with mixed results.

    Lupe Aquino v Davey Moore

    Round 1: 10-8 Aquino (no knockdown but he really battered Davey)
    Round 2: 10-9 Moore
    Round 3: 10-9 Moore (Aquino started battering Davey, but went into a lull and Davey came back)
    Round 4: 10-9 Moore
    Round 5: Aquino stops Moore - Doctor stops it mid-round due to severe swelling of right eye of Moore)

    Total after 4 completed rounds: 38-37 Moore

    Both fighters were landing very sharp blows and was a good fight which I would have loved to have gone the distance. But even though I had Davey ahead, one could see the telling effect of Aquino's blows having on Davey despite the swelling. Good fight.

    Lupe Aquino v Milton McCrory

    Hard to believe this is the same Lupe Aquino only 3 fights after the Moore fight. Both fighters were flat, but this fight will sharpen your scoring skills with what goes on during the contest.

    Round 1: 10-9 Aquino
    Round 2: 9-9 Even (Aquino decks McCrory, then loses a point for a low blow. I felt McCrory was winning the round and the only thing Aquino did that round was deck Milt, nothing more. So i would have had it 10-9 only but then Lupe lost the point for the low blow for a 9-9 - judgement call)
    Round 3: 10-9 McCrory
    Round 4: 10-9 McCrory
    Round 5: 10-8 Aquino (scores a knockdown)
    Round 6: 10-9 McCrory
    Round 7: 10-9 McCrory
    Round 8: 10-8 Aquino (ref gives McCrory a standing 8 count)
    Round 9: 10-9 Aquino
    Round 10: 10-10 Even

    Total: 95-93 Aquino (actual scores: 95-92 and 94-93 for Aquino with a 94-94 Even for a majority win for Aquino)

    Both fighters looked jaded in this bout. I was never a fan of McCrory but he did well when he could keep Aquino on the end of his long punches, but he always seemed to be going inside. The other 2 rounds that Aquino got a 10-8 score I thought McCrory was winning the round but I gave a 2 point round in those rounds because Aquino had him hurt bad, unlike the 2nd round. Again, not their best work (amazing because they were only in their mid-20s) and they looked jaded.
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  9. Amos-san

    Amos-san Member Full Member

    Feb 2, 2020
    Look at Roman vs Baby Rojas) another great performance from Gilberto
  10. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

    Oct 20, 2017
    Sean O'Grady v Hilmer Kenty

    This has been on my watchlist since @scartissue posted his scorecard a while back. No question who won but this was such a fun fight with some swings in momentum happening in the same round. Hard to say who was affected more by this fight but clearly neither fighter was the same after it.

    O'Grady showed tremendous toughness and was backed by a raucous crowd. Kenty showed a ton of heart too but clearly fought the wrong fight. This is why I love boxing in the 80s - when the fight game still truly mattered and boxing hadn't yet signed its own obituary... at least in terms of being a major sport.

    1 9-10 (close, cracking start from both fighters)
    2 10-8 (I had this pretty close before O'Grady dropped Kenty)
    3 10-9 (terrific stuff)
    4 9-10 (close. Good recovery from Kenty)
    5 10-9 (clear O'Grady round as he had Kenty in trouble but gets a bad cut - his skin is like paper)
    6 10-9
    7 10-9 (great action and another big round for O'Grady who hurts Kenty again)
    8 10-8 (Kenty down again)
    9 10-9 (good round, Kenty had his moments but another in the bag for O'Grady)
    10 9-10 (best round for Kenty for a while)
    11 10-10 (great round - Kenty had O'Grady backing up and seemingly in trouble but then he fires back and has Kenty agaimst the ropes)
    12 10-9 (good, dominant round from O'Grady. He is way ahead now)
    13 10-9 (close, both fighters are tired now and showing it)
    14 10-9 (Kenty barely surviving now)
    15 10-9

    O'Grady 147-137 Kenty
  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

    Mar 3, 2019
    Roberto Duran vs Jorge Castro I

    Read that these were good fights, hard to score and really wanted to check them out after the thread on Locomotora. I've seen very little Castro.

    9 : 10
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    10 : 9 (49/46)
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    9 : 10
    10 : 9*
    9 : 10* (97/93)

    First of all: Good fight, Bad decision.

    Yep, not a fan of this decision. Sure, there were some close rounds and you could probably argue a draw, but it'd take some real convincing to get me thinking this was a Castro win. El Rona out-worked Duran in the first, but then lost a lot of rounds in a row when Duran got in a rhythm and started to time what Castro was doing. After another six rounds or so, Castro's youth stated to show when Duran slowed down. His combo's started to land cleaner and he was out-working Duran. Those were the close rounds, as Duran was still much more accurate and still throwing a lot.

    I'll never tire of watching Duran's skillset, and that's basically all he had here as the aging process had robbed him of all of the wonderful, athletic talent he once had. He still feinted like a master; still had that inept, unerring sense of distance; could still threw crisp combos, one-handed or otherwise and showed his ability to get in his comfort zone, and that he didn't really have an uncomfort zone, so to speak.

    Castro, for his part, threw some nice combinations, was relentless in the late rounds, very tough and game and very entertaining with his high workrate. Didn't win the fight, though.
  12. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Jel, thanks for the shoutout, but actually it wasn't me. I did score O'Grady-Watt during the summer, though. As for this fight, I haven't seen it since seeing it live (on the tube). I would definitely agree with your score. I recall having it widely for O'Grady, but also recalling Kenty starting out each round with some sharp boxing, but succumbing to Sean's bruising style.
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  13. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

    Jul 25, 2015
    Not everyone will agree, but I always thought that watching old, skilled fighters way past their prime is great for studying. The skill is usually so far divorced from athletic talent that it is easy to appreciate and note.
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  14. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

    Oct 20, 2017
    How odd! I could have sworn it was you, Scar. Ok, well, glad I watched it anyway as it was a top fight. Your recollection of how the rounds played out is spot on, by the way. Kenty just couldn't keep O'Grady off him.
  15. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 22, 2004
    Gilberto Roman W12 Jiro Watanabe

    I had watched the first six rounds of this one some time ago and stopped there mostly i guess because of Watanabe. I don't like his style at all. Having watched Roman-Montero this morning though, I wanted to watch the whole thing

    This wasn't the artistic success that fight was, but again, Watanabe. After a tepid feeling-out process in the first three rounds, Roman smartly decides to turn it ugly and get inside the taller man's guard. He lunges in, pushes, spins and hits, and generally brings Watanabe out of his smart southpaw boxer-puncher idiom and takes the play away. Not a great fight. Watanabe is annoying, so hesitant to snap the jab and extend his punches. He ends up short on just about everything and doesn't seem to have much of a game plan other than to wait for Roman to blink first.

    1. W
    2. E
    3. W
    4. R
    5. R
    6. R
    7. R
    8. R
    9. W
    10. R
    11. W
    12. R

    116-113 Roman.
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