the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

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    Well my dad said it was a B, but he's the most depressing ******* I've ever met. My mum said it was an A, but she's the most annoyingly upbeat and positive person I've ever met when it comes to encouraging me at school.

    Either way, I still didn't actually sit an exam for it :lol:
     
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  2. cornwall22

    cornwall22 Marcos Maidana stan Full Member

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    6 is a high B, good mark. Maths papers now are far too hard, 13/80 is a pass fgs.
     
  3. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

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    Guess I'm pretty smart then ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    Joking aside, the way they changed the grades and tests was pure ****e, and I was the first year to do it. Basically Guinea pigs lol.
     
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    cornwall22 Marcos Maidana stan Full Member

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    Same mate, the maths exam was bs really. All my other exams were fine, my choices: History, Geography, Resistant Materials and Graphic Products, same with the mandatory R.E, all in the past now. Thankfully. Even though I'm now in my 2nd year at university....
     
  5. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

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    So we're same age, eh?

    Let's pick on @George Crowcroft.
     
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    cornwall22 Marcos Maidana stan Full Member

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    Sure, we can beat him down like Holmes-Tex Cobb ;)
     
  7. Jel

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    Sumbu Kalambay v Steve Collins

    Whether an outright win or just a draw, Steve Collins deserved something out of this fight as he didn't lose to Sumbu Kalambay in my opinion. He was busier and although his percentages in terms of punches landed would have been lower, he was throwing combinations of 2-3 punches, whereas Kalambay was throwing single shots and relying on better accuracy, but wasn't landing enough to control rounds. I scored 4 of the rounds close (2 each) so that didn't have a major bearing on my card if that is balanced out. Kalambay pretty much rescued a draw on my card with a strong showing over the last 3 rounds.

    Kalambay did show slick defense throughout the fight but it reminded me a bit of Mayweather-Castillo 1 where the defensively slicker fighter was boxing within himself while the less skilled but more persistent fighter was taking the rounds. Not a satisfactory fight to watch or score to be honest.

    1 9-10
    2 9-10 (close)
    3 9-10
    4 10-9
    5 9-10 (close. Collins busier, although missing a lot; Kalambay showing slick defense but not landing enough counters to take the round imo)
    6 10-9 (close. Kalambay landed the better shots but he's still not throwing a lot, relying heavily on his ability to make Collins miss, which he does)
    7 10-9 (another tight one but Kalambay took with the better quality work)
    8 9-10 (good work from Collins)
    9 9-10
    10 10-9 (close)
    11 10-9
    12 10-9

    Kalambay 114-114 Collins
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

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    Victor Rabanales vs Joichiro Tatsuyoshi I

    Binging Tatsuyoshi today. Love this guy, and after talking to @roughdiamond about him yesterday, I knew I had to visit, or revisit, some classics from him. Anyway, onto this one:

    Rabanales-Tatsuyoshi
    9 : 10
    9 : 10*
    9 : 10
    10 : 9 (37/39)
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    10 : 9 (77/75)
    Rabanales TKO9

    #1: Brilliant Defence from Tats here, very skilled head-movement and footwork.

    #2: Razor close round, Tatsuyoshi's blocking and cleaner shots edged it for me.

    #3: Clear Tatsuyoshi round IMO. Good upper body movement, in-and-out pressure with a steady jab. Rabanales' Limon-esque style isn't working so far.

    #4: Rabanales landing more here, good round! Tats throwing, but Rabanales' have more power albeit thudding and not snappy.

    #5: Rabanales winging his shots. He has a weird way of setting them up, but it's working and Tatsuyoshi is taking some big shots. He's still showing good skills, and talent in abundance but he's getting out-worked.

    #6: Very good round. Tatsuyoshi flurried opportunely, landing flush and hard, but Rabanales' output and tenacity won the third round in a row. I'm thinking his awkward pressure and strange half stepping set up firmly putting him in control.

    #7: Excellent body work from Rabanales, Tatsuyoshi not throwing enough. Tatsuyoshi needs his momentum back to have a chance.

    #8: Brutal shots from Rabanales to end the round. Big finish there. Probably what set up the stoppage in the next round.

    #9: Rabanales TKO.

    Damn good fight, very interesting gel of styles.

    I really find watching Rabanales strange. He has this brilliant, but ridiculous offensive timing and a Foreman-esque power (in its thudding application, not it's sheer brutality). He has some of the worst form I've ever seen, but he's more than capable of steering someone into those punches, and I wouldn't one of those wingers to my ribs. He also switched stances quite a bit.

    Tatsuyoshi was very good, but he just wasn't active enough. He got out-worked and he didn't seem to up his volume to keep himself in it. Not lackadaisical or anything, but by comparison to Victor, he was boxing within himself at times. Early on, he showed brilliant technique and that his talent was immense. Very fast hands, reflexes and quick on the draw when he let his shots off. When he sat down on his shots, he ran away with it. There was a moment in the fifth round where he showed flashes of pure brilliance, but it lasted about 7 punches and a pull counter.

    Good fight, definitely one to check out. IIRC, the rematch was a bit better so I have that to look forward to later on today.
     
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  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Did the same today with Gilberto Roman. Here are two of his fights from different ends of his career spectrum

    Gilberto Roman v Jiro Watanabe

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-9 Watanabe
    Round 4: 10-9 Roman
    Round 5: 10-9 Roman
    Round 6: 10-9 Watanabe
    Round 7: 10-9 Roman
    Round 8: 10-9 Roman
    Round 9: 10-9 Roman
    Round 10: 10-10 Even
    Round 11: 10-9 Roman
    Round 12: 10-10 Even

    Total: 118-114 Roman (actual scores: 116-112, 116-112 and 116-114 all for Roman)

    Brilliant fight to watch, merciless to score. I always make it hard on myself by taking in every nuance and shift in momentum. It's why sometimes I like just to sit and watch and enjoy rather than score. But nevertheless, almost every round was tight. Roman didn't get his engine going in full throttle until the 4th when he started rolling. But even then, Watanabe could turn a round around with his power. Very close despite my score. I was sorry to see this was Watanabe's last fight. I think he could have turned it around in a rematch. But it is what it is. BTW, Roman reminds me of Albert Davila when he gets his combinations going.

    Gilberto Roman v Nana Yaw Konadu

    Round 1: 10-8 Konadu (scores a knockdown)
    Round 2: 10-9 Konadu
    Round 3: 9-7 Konadu (scores 2 knockdowns but loses a point for hitting Roman when down)
    Round 4: 10-7 Konadu (scores 2 knockdowns)
    Round 5: 10-9 Konadu
    Round 6: 10-9 Konadu
    Round 7: 10-9 Konadu
    Round 8: 10-9 Konadu
    Round 9: 10-10 Even
    Round 10: 10-9 Konadu
    Round 11: 10-9 Konadu
    Round 12: 10-9 Konadu

    Total: 119-104 Konadu (actual scores: 118-104, 119-103 and 116-109 all for Konadu)

    Unfortunately for Roman he simply couldn't get the engine running in the face of Konadu's onslaught. The dude could really hit and Roman could only clinch throughout with sporadic moments. can't figure where the one judge had it 116-109. One would think by looking at it that it's a rather dominant score, but in reflection of what happened, that actually looks close.
     
  10. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

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    If you wanna very close, good fight, check out Roman vs Payakaroon (Samart's brother, a very good fighter in his own right).
     
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    Saw that last weekend and had it 104-102 at the time of the stoppage. Terrific fight and tough luck for Chang.
     
  12. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

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    I actually re-watched and scored it due to your post.
     
  13. George Crowcroft

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    Joichiro Tatsuyoshi vs Victor Rabanales II

    Onto the next one! Here we go:

    Tatsuyoshi-Rabanales
    10 : 9
    9 : 10*
    10 : 9
    10 : 9* (39/37)
    9 : 10
    10 : 9
    9 : 10
    10 : 9 (77/75)
    10 : 9*
    9 : 10
    9 : 10
    10 : 9 (115/113)
    #1: Wow, what a round! Much better than the first IMO. I thought Tats' defence was the decider here. He was very quick here, and looked much better in this one than in the last. Both men much more aggressive too.

    #2: Very close, entertaining round. Rabanales workrate was the decider. I can see it even.

    #3: Tatsuyoshi's sharper, cleaner shots took this one IMO. Landing cleaner and showing better defence. Neither has any significant pull over the other, and both are showing effective aggression.

    #4: Again, sharper from Joe. Vic landing some heavy bombs though. Another swing round.

    #5: Brutal round. Monster shots from Rabanales.

    #6: Another awesome round, Tats doing the better work IMO.

    #7: Very good round for Rabanales. Tatsuyoshi finished strong, but it didn't make up for the first two and a half minutes. Rabanales tagged him a lot, but Joe came right back.

    #8: Brilliant punch placement from Joichiro. Good defence and jab too. Multifaceted performance in the eighth.

    #9: Sloppier from Joe, but still cleaner than Vic. Rabanales landing his uppercuts at an alarming rate. Another real close one, as Victor out-worked him, but didn't do the better work (IMO, obviously).

    #10: Best round for Rabanales since the fifth IMO. He showed some strangely effective lateral movement, and managed to make leading with thr uppercut work. Joe's slick reflexes and fast hands have diminished with fatigue, so Rabanales' looping wingers and thudding shots took the tenth.

    #11: Nasty body work from both here. Rabanales landing more again. He has the better stamina here.

    #12: Excellent finale. Valiant rally from Tatsuyoshi, who hurt Rabanales and had him covering (I know, I never thought I'd see defence from him either), but Vic came back and landed big shots again. Close, but clear for Joe IMO.

    Another absolutely brilliant fight. Much better than the first IMO. Razor thin, and one that's hard to score.
     
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  14. Jel

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    Ralph Tiger Jones v Sugar Ray Robinson

    Started putting a playlist together for classic 10 rounders (all recommendations welcome, by the way) and this came up in another thread so thought I should finally check it out.

    This is not the one-sided drubbing I'd been lead to believe and was competitive throughout, although I had Jones a comfortable winner in the end. Jones managed to back Robinson up and keep him on the ropes enough to unload combos while Robinson, for his part, tried to box Jones off the back foot but didn't seem to have the strength to hold him off.

    There was some good action with the two fighters exchanging furiously in the 7th. A good, if not great, and very watchable fight.

    1 10-9 (good start from Jones, who got inside and landed the heaviest punches of the round)
    2 10-9 (cracking round - Robinson has his moments but Jones lands some big shots on SRR as he keeps him on the ropes)
    3 9-10
    4 10-10
    5 9-10 (close. Overall, Robinson did the better work although he got caught at the end)
    6 10-9
    7 10-9 (Jones forcing the fight, great exchanges off the ropes early in the round)
    8 10-9
    9 10-9 (Jones seems stronger than Robinson, able to push him back into the ropes to keep him where he wants him)
    10 9-10 (Robinson outboxes Jones to narrow the margin of defeat a bit)

    Jones 97-94 Robinson

    6-3 to Jones with 1 even.
     
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  15. salsanchezfan

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    James Toney W12 Dave Tiberi

    First off, I'd never seen this. I'd read a ton in magazines at the time and of course here, about how cataclysmic a robbery this was and what a disgusting injustice had been perpetrated.

    Eh.

    I've seen worse. Yes, Tiberi was the deserving winner but there have been far worse than this. Gomez-Lockridge was worse, and of course the single most horrible decision I've ever seen was Escalera-Everett. This wasn't in that realm.

    Toney starts well but becomes exhausted as early as the 3rd. He fights similarly to how he always has in that he fights in spurts, but unlike other outings his punches carry no sting and when he misses, his legs are unsteady enough under him to make him drift off balance and not allow him to reset quickly.

    Tiberi for his part is industrious if nothing else. Zero power, just chugging forward and pushing his soft punches in Toney's face and ribs, forcing him awkwardly into the ropes and taking the play away. Not a great performance, but it should have been enough. He was in control, but it did have that "which do you prefer, harder singular shots or multiple soft ones" question one had to answer. Here's how I had it:

    1. Toney
    2. Toney
    3. Tiberi
    4. Tiberi
    5. Tiberi
    6. Toney, 10-8 (ridiculous point deduction)
    7. Tiberi
    8. Tiberi
    9. Tiberi
    10. Tiberi
    11. Toney
    12. Tiberi

    115-112 Tiberi.