the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ya gotta love Vito. And to this day, I will always say Vito got robbed in that first Alan Minter fight.
     
  2. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree! That knockdown was legit. Without it, who knows, a draw may have been fair, but I think the knockdown won Vito the fight. Always infuriated me how Minter bitched when he heard that one judge voted 4 Vito.
    Vito was in so many good fights. Not 2 mention Minter 1, but Briscoe, Hart, and Hagler 1.
     
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  3. scartissue

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    Found another long lost fight today, also by Ironbar. The 1976 Eckhard Dagge v Emile Griffith bout for the junior middleweight title. This was a great find. Back when I saw it in my youth, I thought Griffith deserved the verdict. Today, not so much.

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Griffith
    Round 3: 10-9 Dagge
    Round 4: 10-9 Griffith
    Round 5: 10-10 Even
    Round 6: 10-9 Dagge
    Round 7: 10-9 Griffith
    Round 8: 10-10 Even
    Round 9: 10-9 Dagge
    Round 10: 10-9 Dagge
    Round 11: 10-9 Dagge
    Round 12: 10-9 Griffith
    Round 13: 10-9 Dagge
    Round 14: 10-9 Dagge
    Round 15: 10-9 Griffith

    Total: 145-143 Dagge (actual scores: 145-145, 148-145 and 149-143 for a majority win for Dagge)

    No doubt Griffith put up a monumental effort for a 38 year old fighter with a ton of worn tread on him. Back when I first saw it I think I was wearing rose-colored specs, wanting to see the old-timer catch lightning in a bottle. Now, I can see the punches landed by Dagge that I may have been unwilling to see back then. I do recall Griffith relying on that jab throughout, however, and wondering why he didn't mix it up. Watching this fight now, when Griffith did attack - which was rare - it was clear to me that Dagge couldn't fight backing up. And if I could see it, why couldn't Gil Clancy? Perhaps it was more a case of Griffith being unable to execute. Anyway, not an overly exciting bout but it was well worth it to me to see this again and put to bed the notion that Griffith was robbed. It was close and I wouldn't say somebody wouldn't come up with a card that had Griffith the winner, but this was how I saw it.
     
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  4. scartissue

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    Rorshach, haven't seen a post from you in awhile, so hope you check in from time to time. I found this fight today by chance and then I saw you wrote up on it. Oh, man, what a fight. absolutely loved it. When I saw the matchup I thought it would be a really good blend of styles, but I wasn't expecting this.

    Aaron Davis v Jose Luis Lopez

    Round 1: 10-9 Davis
    Round 2: 10-9 Lopez
    Round 3: 10-9 Davis
    Round 4: 10-9 Lopez
    Round 5: 10-9 Lopez
    Round 6: 10-9 Lopez
    Round 7: 10-9 Lopez
    Round 8: 10-9 Lopez (this round was one gutsy effort by Davis)
    Round 9: 10-9 Davis
    Round 10: 10-9 Lopez

    Total: 97-93 Lopez (actual scores: 96-94, 97-94 and 95-95 for a majority win for Lopez)

    Rounds 4 and 5 these two let it rip. It was again one of those moments where the family was checking in on me while I was yelling, "Ohhhh!" What a fantastic fight. I wasn't too impressed with Lopez on how he fought James Page, which was a lot of waiting and letting the fight run away from him, but here he took advantage of everything that came his way. Can't say enough about it other than to say I highly recommend it.
     
  5. scartissue

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    I found another fight that I never knew was out there. The title winning bout between flyweight champ Berkrerk Chartvanchai and Masao Ohba.

    Round 1: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 2: 5-4 Ohba (not sure if BC was deducted a point for a headbutt)
    Round 3: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 4: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 5: 5-5 Even
    Round 6: 5-4 BC
    Round 7: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 8: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 9: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 10: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 11: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 12: 5-4 Ohba
    Round 13: Ohba drops BC 3 times and stops him

    Total through 12 completed rounds: 59-50 for Ohba (actual scores: 60-50, 60-51 and 58-57 all for Ohba)

    That last score really summed up any fight in the Orient during the 70s. Naturally, that was the Thai judge. They always voted along party lines and if you didn't have a neutral judge, you were courting disaster. This was unbelievable dominance and he only had Ohba ahead by 1 point. Amazing.

    This is not a spine-tingler - really a showcase for Ohba - he really dominated with his straight-down-the pipe jabs and right hands. He caught some hard, tidy counters from BC throughout, but led throughout.
     
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  6. Phoenix Nights

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    Alex Arthur v Michael Gomez

    October 2003! I was just about to join the Army, long before wife, kids and responsibilities and at a time when British TV would show a big domestic, Commonwealth or European fight every single Saturday. This was in almost every way an archetypal British fight night - small, tightly packed noisy venue, in Edinburgh this time,and encapsulates what I fondly recall of British boxing at that time. Arthur is talented, slick, arrogant. Gomez is from the streets of Manchester, a fighter but hardly a boxer. I don't follow things close enough (wife, kids...) to really know, but I'd expect this fight is still talked about as a domestic classic. I won't post the result, but will fully recommend a seesaw.

    As an aside I was browsing the thread about contributions for top 25 fights. I haven't got the time to think up what my 25 would be and I've drifted in and out of boxing so much over 20 years that my opinion is worthless, but watching Arthur v Gomez tonight made me ponder another big British night from around the same kind of time - Jamie Moore v Matthew Mackin. Phhhheewwww. A barnburner for the ages which would most certainly make my top ten ahead of many, many fights of much greater fame. By all means pay two thousand dollars for a seat at a big fight in Las Vegas, but in October 2003 in Edinburgh I'd imagine a seat at this fight would cost £40 and do you far more good.
     
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  7. Jel

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    Great post! Gomez-Arthur and Moore-Macklin were both brilliant fights and yes, they are rightly considered British classics.
     
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  8. young_wolverine

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    Not a super old one but I scored Povetkin-Hunter from the DAZN App
    Round 1: Hunter 10-9
    Round 2 Hunter 10-9 (Close)
    Round 3: Povetkin 10-9 (Close)
    Round 4: Povetkin 10-9
    Round 5: Povetkin 10-9
    Round 6: Hunter 10-9
    Round 7: Hunter 10-9 (Close)
    Round 8: Hunter 10-9
    Round 9: Hunter 10-9 (Close)
    Round 10: Povetkin 10-9 (Close)
    Round 11: Hunter 10-9
    Round 12 Povetkin 10-9
    Final Score 115-113 Hunter
    Great fight both fighters had their moments man can they both definetly top 10 heavyweights
     
  9. George Crowcroft

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    Yesterday, I decided on committing to watching some Conteh. Pretty glad I did, TBH. Very interesting and fun fighter to watch. His performance vs Ahumada was great. Jorge seemed to be really good fighter, too. He had a very sneaky cross, a good left hook follow though and a decent jab of his own. Conteh almost pitched a shut out while using just his jab, left hook and uppercut.

    In the Finnegan fights, you can really see his right hand, and how good it was before it was marred by injury. Reminds me of Canto's TBH. Very good when he decided to use it, but he didn't often. It slashing and sharp. He seemed to throw it with vicious intentions, and he set his feet for the split second he needed to line it up and nail Finnegan with it. Good ****. I'm sure glad it wasn't me in there when Schmidtke was getting lit up by it.

    Beautiful jab; extremely varied and multi faceted. Vs a southpaw, he used it effectively while pawing it, and splaying his palm at the opposing lead. Brilliant method of taking away a southpaw's lead. He hooked off that very well, too. His premier jabbing performances from the collection of fights I saw were Lopez and Ahumada, in this he should excellent usage of feints, level changes and a smooth, but snappy jab. One thing I've noticed about it is that he has a tendency to build a lot of power in the elbow and wrist, rather than the shoulder. I suppose that's why it still had that snap when he was moving while throwing it. He really was able to offset Lopez's base with it.

    Very good defensively, too. Aside from having a great jab, brilliant dictation of range, pace and positioning, he also had a complex defence with many layers. Great head-movement, for starters. When on the back-foot, he had a great eye for punches coming, and seemed almost impossible to hit with single shots while on the move. I don't wanna make him sound like a bigger Pernell Whitaker, though. He wasn't. He was just extremely hard to hit when he committed to fighting defensively, like he did for stretches vs Saad. I liked the parries he used as well, though. Old school in their precision, as he seemed to like to get straights off the line and turn with hooks. His defence at mid-range really impressed me, moreso than the elusiveness while fighting at arm's length. He actually reminded me of Jose Napoles with the slip-and-counter method. Very effective, and it really set up some nasty one-twos. He also had that Duran/Fenech/Qawi-esque duck-and-jab, the sort of weight shift to just carry his head an inch out of range like Ali did. Very layered defence. But like I said, he wasn't unhittable when committed to mounting an offense. The B-Netts found ways to land their jabs, and lead hooks off them. He got hit more than you'd like with the cross-counter vs Ahumada. And he was clipped a bit by Lopez. Not saying he was easy to hit, but I feel like somebody like Foster or Spinks - with their great jabs - would be able to set up some heavier shots.

    Solid chin too, with the massive heart in the fights with Burnett and Saad, towards the end of his career. He wasn't some powderpuff out-boxer with no dog in him, he really went out to hurt you if you pissed him off, like Lonnie Bennett did. You can really see how cruel a fighter he was in the Schmidtke fight.

    Stylistically, I don't see him as the prancy, one-handed out-boxer like I did before. I suppose a comparison to Kingpetch would be a decent comparison to how I originally thought he fought. Not that he didn't dwell into that area at times, but he fought more stationery than that, and closer to his opponents.
     
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  10. William Walker

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    I thought u were a huge mid 70s to early 80s LHW guy, and you've never watched Conteh before!
     
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  11. George Crowcroft

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    I am, and I had. I just never committed to watching lots of his fights. I'd already seen Lopez and both Saad fights before yesterday.
     
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  12. William Walker

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    Oh yeah, I get it. What did u think of Conteh's fights w/ Burnett, Parlov, and Bogs?
     
  13. George Crowcroft

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    Didn't watch Parlov, couldn't find Bogs, thought he lost to Burnett.
     
  14. William Walker

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    Conteh vs. Bogs:



     
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  15. William Walker

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    Conteh is dropped w/ a hard punch in the 1st round, but rallies 2 stop Bogs in the 6th.