the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

    Oct 20, 2017
    Barry McGuigan v Eusebio Pedroza

    A dominant title-winning performance from McGuigan. Pedroza was experienced enough to survive to the final bell after being in big trouble in the 7th (when he was knocked down), 9th and 13th rounds but he was largely just surviving over the second half of the fight.

    1 9-10
    2 10-9 (Pedroza started the round well before McGuigan started landing some good shots)
    3 10-9
    4 10-9
    5 9-10 (close)
    6 10-9
    7 10-8 (a right followed by a short left hook puts Pedroza down)
    8 10-9
    9 10-9 (Pedroza in big trouble at the end of the round and on rubbery legs - the bell comes to his rescue)
    10 10-9 (closs)
    11 10-9
    12 9-10
    13 10-9 (Pedroza boxing well but then all of a sudden he's on **** street again from McGuigan hooks)
    14 9-10 (smart tactics from Pedroza - keeping mobile and countering well then smothering McGuigan before he can counter)
    15 10-9

    McGuigan 146-138 Pedroza
  2. Mario040481

    Mario040481 Member Full Member

    Mar 27, 2019
    It is a great fight! I really enjoy hearing how much fun Steward and Lampley are obviously having watching such a great fight. Don't know if you noticed or not but the other day I upped a version I made using the UK commentary over top an even cleaner looking video version? I mention it because, as you would've seen, Lederman calls it a draw, and only on account of the 12th rd heroics Toney displays, but the UK team of Duke McKenzie and "Guy Who's Name I Cannot Ever Remember" have the fight much more in line with your card, and obvious Toney win.
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  3. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

    Oct 20, 2017
    Lee Roy Murphy v Chisanda Mutti

    Just a crazy fight. I'd seen the knockout but never sat through the whole fight before. Larry Hazzard obviously knew what he was doing in there because in the 9th, I thought Murphy was done. He turned his back from Mutti's onslaught and I felt sure it should be stopped but Murphy then went down and in a funny way I think getting floored actually saved him.

    Murphy started coming back the very next round and then came the 11th - it had the feeling of one of those wild ones like Lee-LoCicero or Castillo-Corrales and in most other years it would have been ROTY but this was the same year as Hagler-Hearns so no chance that that would happen.

    After the amazing 11th came the incredible finish - it was like watching two drunk men trying to dance with each other. Mutti had clearly had a few more Jaeger bombs because he stayed in a praying position for the full ten count.

    Great stuff.

    1 10-9 (close. Good opener)
    2 9-10
    3 9-10 (close)
    4 9-10
    5 9-10
    6 9-10
    7 9-10
    8 9-10
    9 8-10 (Larry Hazzard could easily have stopped it in this round when Murphy turned his back. Ironically, the knockdown probably saved him.)
    10 10-9 (close)
    11 10-8 (incredible round. Murphy puts Mutti down but Mutti keeps coming back)
    12 Murphy KO Mutti (double knockdown and Murphy makes it to his feet but Mutti doesn't. Astonishing finish)
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  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Victor Ortiz v Marcos Maidana

    Has anyone checked this out? It was just a fun fight and bombs away.

    Round 1: 10-9 Maidana (both fighters scored knockdowns)
    Round 2: 10-7 Ortiz (Ortiz scores 2 knockdowns)
    Round 3: 10-9 Ortiz
    Round 4: 10-9 Maidana
    Round 5: 10-9 Maidana
    Round 6: Maidana drops Ortiz and the ref and doctor stop the fight on a cut

    Total: 47-46 Ortiz through 5 completed rounds (actual scores: all 3 officials had it 48-45 for Ortiz)

    A couple of things here. First of all the 1st round knockdowns. Harold Lederman and probably the 3 judges scored it Even due to one knockdown cancelling the other out. However, there was more to the round than just knockdowns and Maidana had the benefit of scoring the second knockdown, which meant wobbling Ortiz a couple of times after that, which swayed the round IMO for Maidana.

    Secondly, during his career, Ortiz' heart came under scrutiny a number of times. And it may have started here. Officially they said the ref and/or the doctor stopped the fight, but watch Ortiz' reaction when he got up after the 6th round knockdown. He was definitely quitting. I don't like pointing out a fighter's will or lack of, but I think it needed to be mentioned here. Still, a really fun fight.
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  5. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

    Oct 20, 2017
    Scar, I watched this late last year. I didn't bother scoring it but agree with your card. And re Ortiz quitting? Yep, no doubt about it. Here are my notes:

    Marcos Maidana v Victor Ortiz

    Short but explosive fight. Round 4 was very scrappy but other than that, plenty of action. Maidana was definitely hurt by the second knockdown in round 2 and the one that followed was a result of that. Ortiz went down hard himself in round 1 but recovered very well.

    Round 6 was weird - Maidana was clearly getting on top at the end of round 5 but then Ortiz went down under the onslaught in round 6 more than from any one punch, I think. I think the doctor saved his blushes because he did not look keen to continue or upset when the fight was stopped. He'd had enough.
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  6. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Daniel Zaragoza v Thierry Jacob

    Watched this today because I always thought of these two as warriors and it would be a good matchup. I'll say it was a decent fight and they certainly gave it their all.

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Jacob
    Round 3: 10-9 Jacob
    Round 4: 10-9 Jacob
    Round 5: 10-10 Even
    Round 6: 10-9 Zaragoza
    Round 7: 10-9 Zaragoza
    Round 8: 10-9 Zaragoza
    Round 9: 10-9 Jacob
    Round 10: 10-8 Jacob (scores a knockdown)
    Round 11: 10-9 Zaragoza
    Round 12: 10-9 Zaragoza

    Total: 115-114 Jacob (actual scores: 117-113, 119-108 and 115-112 all for Jacob)

    I will not take that 119-108, to task as some might because this was a very difficult fight to score. Zaragoza was the busier, but he just never looked like he found a chink in Jacob's armor. He ended up making a donnybrook out of it to get on the scoresheet. And even when he did score, Jacob, the harder hitter, just rattled his head every time. He just couldn't miss Zaragoza. Again, it was a decent fight, but a bit sloppy.
  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

    Mar 3, 2019
    Sugar Ray Leonard vs Marvin Hagler

    It's not a classic but it is cliched. I haven't scored this in about two years, and after watching some Hagler this morning, I figured why not watch it with fresh eyes. After all, I know I've improved at scoring over the last couple years.

    Hagler fighting orthodox, as the story goes, Leonard boxing, moving and turning. Throwing three-piece combos then resetting. ****ing boring, but effective. Similar sorta **** for a few rounds, with the second being the closest of the first third. Still gave it to Leonard, though. Fourth was close, too. Leonard incorporated more holding into his offense, which put him at the distance that Hagler wanted him, so Leonard got hit. Leonard started to taunt Hagler towards the end, and he landed much cleaner punches than Marvin did.

    Hagler started switching in the fifth, thank God. He got into position to set up his bigger punches and he stuck to Leonard like glue - compared to the first four, that is. A double left hook-right uppercut combo clearly stunned Leonard as Hagler drove him to the ropes and wailed away. Very close sixth, **** me. Hagler landed some good shots in the first half, and he really kept the pressure on; forcing Leonard to hold and spend extended stretches either on the defensive or on the ropes. Or both. But in the last minute, Leonard seemed to put them together better, flurry at opportune times and get the better of the odd exchange. I went with Hagler, since he was more consistent throughout the round and did more damage when he landed. Another razor thin round, in the seventh. Horrible stuff. Leonard didn't look as comfortable in there, but he did land lots of clean shots, and while he likely didn't land punches as many as Hagler did, the ones he did land were much more eye-catching. I think it's a case of quality vs quantity, and I'm going quality this time. Although, that's not to say Hagler's shots lacked quality, and Leonard lacked quantity. Hagler's pressure won the eighth for me. There's more to it than that, but I can't be arsed writing essays every three minutes.

    Round nine was really entertaining, very explosive; I enjoyed it. Hagler pressuring effectively, still, but Leonard gritted his teeth, stood his ground and threw ridiculously fast, snappy combos which would've badly damaged most fighters. Hagler took them, and came back later on the in the round to out-work Leonard fairly comfortably. His punches were cleaner too. Close tenth, I thought Hagler and his volume edged it, but I can see why somebody would score it for Leonard. But of a second win for Leonard in the eleventh, I thought that was his best round since the fourth. Hagler just plain took it to him in the twelfth. Leonard looked spent, and understandably so.

    Leonard - Hagler
    10 : 9
    10 : 9*
    10 : 9
    10 : 9 (40/36)
    9 : 10
    9 : 10*
    10 : 9*
    9 : 10 (77/75)
    9 : 10
    9 : 10*
    10 : 9
    9 : 10 (114/114)

    After ten, me and lederman had pretty similar cards. We agreed on in the first four, the fifth, seventh, eighth, ninth, eleventh and twelfth, but disagreed on the sixth and the tenth. He had it 7-5 Leonard, I had it a draw. Extremely, extremely close fight. Leonard may have been flashier, but through the last two thirds, Hagler's defence was better, his punches were more often, and normally cleaner, he was in charge for the most part and he Leonard was tired for most of the second half. But you just can't give away four rounds and then start claiming robbery. Calling it such or clear-cut - either way - is crazy to me.

    There's a lot of 'what ifs' here, regarding on how Hagler did. What if it was a 15 rounder? He'd have surely broken him down and probably stopped him. What if it happened two years earlier? He'd have surely broken him down and probably stopped him. What if he hadn't fought like an idiot for four rounds? He'd have surely broken him down and probably stopped him. What i- you probably get the point.

    Which is why to me, there's a real duality about this fight which you need to find. Finding that fine line and balance of the somewhat oxymoronic position of being able to accept that Hagler could've won under different circumstances, but still being able to give Leonard the credit he deserves for a close win over a slightly aged ATG. I find that people who can do this are often the most valuable in discussions.
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  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Bennie Briscoe v Sammy Barr

    To begin, this was really just nostalgia for me as it was great to see Bennie Briscoe in action again. The score was simple. All 7 rounds fairly comfortable to one-sided for Briscoe before Barr's corner retired him before the 8th round. I have no idea what Barr's insides could have been like after this fight because he took one of the most consistent body batterings I've ever seen. Barr was a journeyman and Briscoe's next fight was against Valdes for the vacant middleweight title, so there was quite a gulf there. But again, for me, it was just dynamite seeing Bad Bennie rockin' and rollin' again.
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  9. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

    Apr 9, 2020
    Few fighters could match Briscoe's heart, chin, stamina, and relentlessness. RIP forever. What a great entertainer.
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  10. BoxxyMcBoxface

    BoxxyMcBoxface New Member Full Member

    Apr 13, 2020
    Thats a terrific fight. One of my favorites! Its been a while since ive seen or scored it but this is how i had it

    Lee Roy Murphy vs Chisandra Mutti

    Round 1: 10-9
    Round 2: 9-10 (19-19)
    Round 3: 10-9 (29-28 Murphy)
    Round 4: 9-10 (38-38)
    Round 5: 9-10 (47-48 Mutti)
    Round 6: 9-10 (56-58 Mutti)
    Round 7: 9-10 (65-68 Mutti)
    Round 8: 9-10 (74-78 Mutti)
    Round 9: 8-10 (82-88 Mutti)
    Round 10: 10-9 (92-97 Mutti)
    Round 11: 10-8 (102-105 Mutti)

    KO in Round 12/15
  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

    Mar 3, 2019
    Doug DeWitt vs Robbie Sims II

    One of my favourite middleweights ever in a fight with a great scrapper in DeWitt. I'm honestly amazed I've never seen this one before. I'm looking forward to it. Does anybody know if the first is out there?

    Robbie paints him in the first. Constant movement and putting everything on every punch. He couldn't miss. DeWitt landing left hooks, but Sims is landing everything. Robbie was the aggressor more often than not, which surprised me here. Very close second. This is gonna be a war. DeWitt had Sims in a bad spot at the start of the round. Sims came back well, but not well enough to win the round. DeWitt hurt his left hand in the forth, which let Sims win it easily.

    Awesome fifth, DeWitt with nice tight uppercuts. Brutal round, that one. DeWitt softening up Robbie's eye in the sixth, as well with the jab. Same again in the seventh, while also DeWitt also stunned Robbie while landing cleaner throughout. Big eighth for Robbie, who hurt Sims late. It was an awesome, close round before Doug got clipped with a huge overhand right.

    DeWitt moving to his right for some reason, and into both Sims' line of sight and his right hook. Sims' punches were cleaner IMO. Great tenth, both hurt, but DeWitt seemed to come on stronger and do a bit better. Out-working him, too. Great jabs from DeWitt in the eleventh, and he's really working that uppercut, too. Sims felt like he needed to win the twelfth big, and I felt he won it small. But he did still win it IMO.

    DeWitt - Sims
    9 : 10
    9 : 10
    10 : 9
    9 : 10 (37/39)
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    9 : 10 (76/76)
    9 : 10
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    9 : 10 (114/114)

    This was a close fight, the scorecards from the commentary team were ****-poor. Having DeWitt winning isn't a crime, having him winning a shut out is. There was an Interesting dynamic in this one. One guy with a swollen shut right eye, and one guy with a broken left hand. This really was a great fight. It couldn't be anything else, though.
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  12. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Boxxy, thanks to you and @Jel for recommending this. I remember when this took place. I read about it, saw only the double-knockdown over the years but for some reason never watched it. Made up for it today and well worth it.

    Lee Roy Murphy v Chisanda Mutti

    Round 1: 10-9 Murphy
    Round 2: 10-9 Mutti
    Round 3: 10-9 Mutti
    Round 4: 10-9 Mutti
    Round 5: 10-9 Mutti
    Round 6: 10-9 Mutti
    Round 7: 10-9 Murphy
    Round 8: 10-10 Even
    Round 9: 10-8 Mutti (scores a knockdown)
    Round 10: 10-9 Murphy
    Round 11: 10-8 Murphy (scores a knockdown)
    Round 12: Double-knockdown but Mutti counted out

    Total through 11 completed rounds: 105-103 Mutti (actual scores: 106-102, 105-102 and 105-101 all for Mutti)

    Terrific fight. I noted after the 3rd round that Mutti throws a lot of eye-catchers. Murphy's counters had more wallop that round but that one was close. I did a lot of yelling during this bout especially during rounds 9-12, which were enjoyable. But one quote I blurted that the wife seemed to enjoy was my annoyance at Murphy laying on the ropes - where he was getting his arse kicked - and she laughed at me saying, "Get off the ropes! Who the f**k do you think you are, Wilfredo Benitez?"
  13. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

    Mar 3, 2019
    Donald Curry vs Marlon Starling II

    I've never seen the rematch before. I saw the first fight for the 'Cobra always bites back' FOTF, but I never spent the time to watch the second. In fact, this is the only fight of Curry's title reign which I've never seen. But after reading it's name for the hundredth time in a thread about the best chess-matches/tatical battles, etc; I decided to give it a go. I'm in that kind of mood. To kick it off, it's an interesting round. Curry puts him on the back-foot and establishes how he's going to fight. He does to work the body, set up the left hook and keep the ring small. He does all of that well, but he just doesn't land the punches he needs to to win a round. I like clean punching over ring generalship, which is what I'm going with here and will continue to do for the whole fight (and basically everything I'll ever score, ever lol)

    Fun second. Starling seems to start strong in these rounds but gets subdued when Curry forces him back a bit. Different from this one to the first is that he let some beautiful hooks and uppercuts go. Third was similar to the second, but with Starling throwing more. I liked Starling throwing more in the forth. Fifth was close, closest of the fight - which is about right, given that it was entirely different to the first four. I went with Curry though, I don't think Starling's newfound movement was enough to take it and his punch output nosedived. Curry stung him jabs and 1-2s to the body.

    Curry looks to have hurt - or at the very least staggered - Starling multiple times in the final minute of the sixth. Very close second, I felt neither had a clear edge in their clean punching, but Curry being the ring-general out-weighs Starling's defensive advantage. I liked Marlon in the eighth. Close ninth, Curry looked "the fresher of the two" and got off first more often than not. Excellent combos from both in the ten, but Curry got the better of it again. Great eleventh round for Starling, who seemed very comfortable at the range he found with his counters. The twelfth was a gutsy effort from Curry, who really dug holes in Starling's body.

    Starling was landing some nice shots in the thirteenth, and he seemed to put Curry on the back-foot more than he did before. Good round. Excellent precise shots from Curry in the fourteenth. He had a great way of getting them in as soon as Starling sent to punch. Curry dished out a brutal pounding in the final round.

    Curry - Starling
    9 : 10
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    9 : 10
    10 : 9 (48/47)
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    9 : 10
    10: 9 (97/93)
    9 : 10
    10 : 9
    9 : 10
    10 : 9
    10 : 9 (145/140)

    It was a great fight, with lots of close rounds but it didn't capture my attention like say, McCallum vs Toney does.
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  14. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Hector Lizarraga v Welcome Ncita

    I saw this fight recommended somewhere on the net, and, as I really enjoy Ncita fights, I thought I'd check it out. Here we go for the vacant IBF featherweight title.

    Round 1: 10-9 Lizarraga
    Round 2: 10-9 Lizarraga
    Round 3: 10-10 Even
    Round 4: 10-9 Ncita
    Round 5: 10-10 Even
    Round 6: 10-9 Lizarraga
    Round 7: 10-9 Lizarraga
    Round 8: 10-9 Lizarraga
    Round 9: 10-9 Lizarraga
    Round 10: 10-9 Lizarraga
    Round 11: Ncita's corner retires him between the 10th and 11th

    Total through 10 completed rounds: 99-93 Lizarraga (actual scores: 97-93, and two scores of 98-92 all for Lizarraga)

    Man, what a fight. I loved it. Ncita was in great shape but he just couldn't keep Lizarraga off of him. Everything was firing for Ncita. His jab, his combos, his body-punching, but Lizarraga was just putting in a career-best shift and kept it in a phonebooth pounding the body. Both were facially marked up and Emanuel Steward rightly stopped it after a corner pounding at the end of the 10th. Not sure if Ncita initiated the 'I've had enough', but it was a good stoppage. On a separate note, a lot of people don't particular care for the commentating of Col. Bob Sheridan, but I always thought he brought a real energy to the microphone, which I liked. And he did it himself like Dunphy. He didn't need a team of announcers like you see today. Anyways, I digress from a great fight, which this was. Highly recommend it for its clean, hard, consistent punching between two very evenly matched fighters.
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  15. HDmexiqtioner

    HDmexiqtioner New Member Full Member

    Sep 1, 2020
    Rewatched Marvelous Marvin Hagler vs Sugar Ray Leonard for the first time in like 5ish years. But first time with herbs added. Boy that was a great fight. So much more strategy than I remember. Loved it. For a while I believed that Hagler still won that fight, but with the time and I feel that it would be more fresh for me, so I don't think there was that much heavy bias. I judged as fairly as I could.

    Leonard -- Hagler
    1: 10-9 -- Very active and good start for Leonard
    2: 9-10 -- More effective shots by Hagler
    3: 10-9 -- Out boxed and worked well off the back-foot
    4: 10-9 -- Just a little more output
    5: 9-10 -- good round for Hagler
    6: 9-10 -- Pressure, pressure, pressure by Hagler
    7: 9-10 -- Flurries by Leonard but nothing to win over the WHOLE round.
    8: 9-10 -- Same as previous round, just more effective shots.
    9: 9-10 -- Best round of the fight imo. Close but slightly to Hagler
    10: 10-9 -- Solid round for Leonard.
    11: 9-10 -- Overall well paced round for Hagler.
    12: 9-10 -- Great back and forth at the 1 in a half minute mark, but I think Hagler pulled out the round for me.

    TOTAL: 112-116 Hagler

    Judges Scores:

    I can understand a draw 114-114, I can understand maybe a 7-5 Rounds for Hagler, but there is no way in the world that Hagler only won 2 rounds on a judges score cards. This is a bad call by a judge for the 10-2. Southpaw Hagler was great, Orthodox Hagler was good. Leonard tried to steal a lot of the rounds but damn they really didn't do much imo. Feel bad for Hagler for this being his last fight, I think he probably could put on at least 2 more years of activity at elite level. But damn. Great fight though.