the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Wilford Scypion v James 'Hardrock' Green

    First of all, I just want to say, put your pencils down and just enjoy the fight. So close and scrutinizing every nuance and shift change takes away from the action.

    Round 1: Even
    Round 2: Even
    Round 3: Scypion
    Round 4: Scypion
    Round 5: Green
    Round 6: Green
    Round 7: Green (I had it even, but Scypion was penalized the round for hitting after the bell, so under NJ rules it is simply given to the opponent)
    Round 8: Scypion
    Round 9: Scypion
    Round 10: Green

    Total: 4-4-2 Draw (actual scores: 6-3-1, 7-2-1 and 5-4-1 all for Green)

    This fight wasn't as good as the Green - John Mugabi fight, but there was good action. I would have loved to have been in the crowd for this one. Atmosphere had to be electric.
  2. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

    Apr 9, 2020
    That's a direct insult to my style, scar! lol

    I haven't seen this one, but it's always been on my list.

    That Green-Mugabi fight was ****ing awesome though. Perhaps the greatest example of Big Beast meets Little Beast.
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  3. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    I had posted this on the 'Fight of the Week' thread. But it needs to be here too.

    Iran Barkley v Roberto Duran

    Round 1: 10-9 Barkley
    Round 2: 10-9 Barkley
    Round 3: 10-10 Even
    Round 4: 10-9 Barkley
    Round 5: 10-9 Barkley
    Round 6: 10-9 Duran
    Round 7: 10-10 Even
    Round 8: 10-9 Barkley
    Round 9: 10-9 Duran
    Round 10: 10-9 Duran
    Round 11: 10-8 Duran (scores a knockdown)
    Round 12: 10-10 Even

    Total: 115-115 Draw (actual scores: 116-113 Barkley and 118-112, 116-112 both for Duran)

    This was soooo close. So many rounds fought at such a tight level. The first time I saw it live I felt Duran took the decision in a close fight, but today I recognize this fight as razor close and down to the absolute wire, but a damn good fight.
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  4. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

    Jul 25, 2015
    Hiroshi Kawashima vs Cecilio Espino

    Title defence for Kawashima. 115lbs. 12 rounds. The action starts immediately, with Espino, orthodox, going at it with bullish enthuasiasm. Kawashima, southpaw, is slow on the uptake, taking his time to adjust to Espino's rhythm and pace. Even still, I gave him the first two, with a beautiful slide-cum-left hand counter being the highlight. Espino, for his nasty intent, is well schooled, and approaches the third round with clever dips and some thudding body shots. Despite his style, Kawashima is spiteful when struck, and an exchange is initiated. Even round in my book, but only because of Kawashima's early work, so it could easily go to the rugged Mexican. The fourth comes in a similar fashion, with Espino trying to bait with dips and throwing lead bombs to head and body, taking everything thrown at him, which earns him the round in my view. This man is tough.
    The fifth round, however, is where the man known as 'Untouchable' starts to shine. Slipping, sliding, baiting and expertly aggressive counters suddenly shift the rhythm for the Japanese. A little doubt creeps in on Espino, and his Boxing shows it ever so slightly. The sixth round, however, is where this bout turns into what can only be classed as a beautiful exhibition of the sweet science. Boxing expertly, Kawashima lands a left which staggers Espino, which shifts the momentum for the Japanese, a momentum which lasts until the end of the fight. Highlight reel displays of slippery, sliding defence and left handed counters ensue, with major moments being seen in the eith and tenth rounds, with exchanges coming out entirely in favour of Kawashima. There is a practised, hard earned edge to Kawashima's skill and capability, and I found it very entertaining to watch. Even still, the Mexican Espino never stops trying through the pounding he is receiving, and is gutsy enough to still keep rounds close and try to give as good as he is getting. The eleventh and twelfth see a lull for Kawashima, who correctly assumes he has it in the bag. Only his flurries and sharp footwork are enough to give these to him.
    All in all, this was an excellent display of Boxing and defensive flair, with both providing spirit and entertainment, though with one proving much better than the other. Another bout to add to the underrated 'Mexico vs Japan' rivalry.

    Kawashima - Espino

    1: 10 - 9
    2: 10 - 9
    3: 10 - 10 (Top round!)
    4: 9 - 10 (Close)
    5: 10 - 9 (Sharp from K)
    6: 10 - 9 (E staggered)
    7: 10 - 9
    8: 10 - 9 (E hurt)
    9: 10 - 9
    10: 10 - 9 (Exchange!)
    11: 10 - 9 (Slow)
    12: 10 - 9

    TOTAL: 119 - 110 KAWASHIMA

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  5. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Jesse James Leija v Juan Lazcano

    Sometimes I will light upon a bout that has all the earmarks of a good scrap only to find it tepid. Not so in this case. I was looking at both combatants and thinking it would be a good one, and it was. I was a fan of Leija's ever since the first time I saw him fight against Pee Wee Parker. I have also enjoyed many of Lazcano's bouts recently. And these two put on a show. Some of the best hard, fast, clean combination punching that I have seen in awhile. Here we go.

    Round 1: 10-9 Leija
    Round 2: 10-9 Leija
    Round 3: 10-9 Leija
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-9 Lazcano
    Round 6: 10-9 Lazcano
    Round 7: 10-9 Lazcano
    Round 8: 10-9 Leija
    Round 9: 10-9 Lazcano
    Round 10: 10-10 Even

    Total: 96-96 Draw (actual scores: 96-94 Leija, and 96-94, 97-93 both for Lazcano for a split win for Lazcano)

    Other than that 97-93, the other two judges were on track. This was a tight fight. The announcers (Czyz and Steve Albert) were both a bit of Leija cheerleaders. I think it was in the 6th Leija had Lazcano on the ropes and unloaded about a 7 punch combo and they were going crazy with Leija's attack. I sat there watching Lazcano duck and roll and evade and said aloud, "Wait, nothing landed!" But it is what it is. This was one enjoyable fight.
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  6. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Here's another card from the FOTW thread.

    Israel Vasquez v Rafael Marquez III

    Round 1: 10-9 Marquez
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-9 Marquez
    Round 4: 10-8 Marquez (scores a knockdown)
    Round 5: 10-9 Marquez
    Round 6: 10-10 Even
    Round 7: 10-9 Vasquez
    Round 8: 10-9 Vasquez
    Round 9: 10-9 Marquez
    Round 10: 10-9 Vasquez (scored it Even but a 1 point deduction from Marquez for a low blow)
    Round 11: 10-9 Vasquez
    Round 12: 10-8 Vasquez (scores a knockdown)

    Total: 114-114 Draw (actual scores: 114-111 Marquez and a 114-111 and 113-112 both for Vasquez, who takes the split win)

    I really liked Marquez early with that straight jab that was akin to a 2 x 4 smacking into the face. But Vasquez worked his way in well in the second half. Regarding the point deduction, which pulled out a draw on my card, let's just say to the letter of the law it was correct. However, there was nothing that went straight into the nads. These were beltline shots aided by a bit of drama. Not taking anything from Vasquez on that. All fighters do the old grimace when shots stray a bit. But regardless, great fight here, guys.
  7. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Eddie Mustafa Muhammad v Jerry 'The Bull' Martin (light heavyweight title)

    Never saw this one back in the day and needed to check it out.

    Round 1: 10-9 EMM
    Round 2: 10-9 EMM
    Round 3: 10-9 Martin
    Round 4: 10-8 EMM (scores a knockdown)
    Round 5: 10-9 EMM
    Round 6: 10-9 Martin
    Round 7: 10-9 Martin
    Round 8: 10-10 Even
    Round 9: 10-9 EMM
    Round 10: EMM drops and stops Martin

    Total through 9 completed rounds: 87-84 EMM (actual scores: 87-83 and 88-82 both for Eddie and an 85-85 Even from Harold Lederman)

    This is not a slam-bang affair by any means. Eddie is very good at picking his shots but he is right up there with Joe Bugner and Juan LaPorte in the lazy fighter category. See those rounds that Martin won? Well, it wasn't from anything extraordinary that Martin did. It was really because he at least was throwing something whereas Eddie was doing Jack. If you're thinking of watching this, I would suggest highlights only. Watch the 4th and 10th and be done with it.
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  8. BoxxyMcBoxface

    BoxxyMcBoxface New Member Full Member

    Apr 13, 2020
    I just watched Mark Medal vs Carlos Santos. This was a 15 round battle for the IBF 154 pound strap. Medal the champion and Santos the challenger

    Round 1: 8-10 Santos scores a knockdown
    Round 2: 9-10 (17-20 Santos)
    Round 3: 9-10 (26-30 Santos)
    Round 4: 9-10 (35-40 Santos)
    Round 5: 9-10 (44-50 Santos)
    Round 6: 9-10 (53-60 Santos)
    Round 7: 9-10 (62-70 Santos)
    Round 8: 9-10 (71-80 Santos)
    Round 9: 9-10 (80-90 Santos)
    Round 10: 9-10 (89-100 Santos)
    Round 11: 9-10 (98-110 Santos)
    Round 12: 10-9 (108-119 Santos)
    Round 13: 9-10 (117-129 Santos)
    Round 14: 10-8 (127-137 Santos) Medal scores a knockdown
    Round 15: 10-9 (137-146 Santos)

    Judges Final Scores: (Bill Graham 142-140, Lawrence Wallace 147-139, and Frank Brunette 146-138) all in favor of Santos.

    This fight was really fun despite of how one sided it was. In the first half of the fight, Medal tried to brawl his way back into the fight after the knockdown, but Santos' hand speed prevented him from doing so. For most of the fight Santos was flustering and frustrating Medal with lateral movement and combinations. Starting in round 12, Medal began going for broke. Medal was finally able to break through with a knock down in the 14th but Santos remained illusive enough to survive the scare and after 15 hard fought rounds, was declared the winner by a unanimous decision.
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  9. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

    Oct 20, 2017
    I think KO magazine made this its Fight of the Year for 1984.
  10. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

    Apr 9, 2020
    I've heard this one is really good!
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  11. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 22, 2004
    It was okay, but as mentioned, a bit one-sided until very late. With Ramirez-Rosario Ii in the mix that year it's hard to fathom how this one copped FOTY honors.
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  12. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Clum, the only version I started to watch - which i was enjoying - suddenly went from round 3 to round 7. I hadn't bothered to look at how much time was in the youtube video. My bad and I aborted it right there. Can't stand watching a partial fight. Do you have a link for the full fight?
  13. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Sot Chitalada v Jung Koo Chang II

    Round 1: 10-9 Sot
    Round 2: 10-9 Sot
    Round 3: 10-9 Chang
    Round 4: 10-9 Sot
    Round 5: 10-9 Sot
    Round 6: 10-10 Even
    Round 7: 10-9 Sot
    Round 8: 10-9 Chang
    Round 9: 10-9 Sot
    Round 10: 10-9 Sot
    Round 11: 10-9 Chang
    Round 12: 9-9 Even (scored it for Sot but was deducted one point for throwing Chang to the canvas)

    Total: 116-112 Sot (actual scores: 115-114 and 114-113 both for Sot and a 114-114 Draw for a majority win for Sot Chitalada)

    Some observations first. 1) Clearly this is a Korean production because the announcers and crowd screamed at everything Chang did and between rounds would only show highlights of Chang. 2) Carlos Padilla never ceases to amaze me with his ineptness. This is why he is my least favorite referee of all time. Not one word to Chang for his 12 rounds of grappling, yet, several cautions to Sot throughout and when he is trying to free himself in the 12th round of Chang's squid-like tentacles and Chang falls to the canvas, it costs Sot a point. 3) I checked a bit of our history on this fight and actually found a few that scored this for Chang. Maybe Chang's style just doesn't gel with me.

    As for the fight, Sot amazed me because he went through his entire career cutting gobs of weight for a fight. His trainer Charles Atkinson said he would walk around at 135 and be able to trim down to 114, but that last 2 pounds was murder because he had nowhere to lose it. Yet, he was as strong as an ox on the inside. I like the way he would pick his shots since he wasn't going to match Chang's workrate and thump the body when Chang would grapple. I was very solid on my scorecard, so I am a bit surprised there was any controversy on it. However, like I said before, maybe Chang's style doesn't gel with me.
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  14. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

    Jul 25, 2015
    Hiroshi Kawashima vs 'Puma' Toguchi

    A battle between two up and comers. Here both men are in their 4th bouts. Kawashima, scouted from the inter-high school tournaments, is a far cry from the full package you see against Espino, but he still shows flashes of his ability, with a natural sense of timing and some sharp shots. However, overall his feet are leaden and he has to consciously focus on defence, as during exchanges his movement is much more minimal and not integrated. 'Puma', a now legend on the national scene, is one tough ******* even here, and seems experienced and crafty to boot. He takes the best Kawashima has to offer, riding it and answering with his own well timed, strategic rights, exploiting some defensive naivety. Kawashima is wobbled in the second, and after that it's a full on brawl. As a bout itself, it's a well entertaining short scrap. In the end, Puma breaks down the amateur talent, fully finishing him with a beautiful right hand to the stomach. TKO for Puma. Check it out.

    Last edited: Mar 7, 2021
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  15. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

    Apr 9, 2020
    putting this on my list
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