the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jesus Salud v Jesse Benavides

    This was a non-title 10 rounder. don't know if Salud was still recognized as champ because there was some issue with him refusing a title fight in Columbia, so he may have been stripped by this time. Anyways, here we go.

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Jesse
    Round 3: 10-9 Jesse
    Round 4: 10-9 Jesse
    Round 5: 10-9 Salud
    Round 6: 10-9 Jesse
    Round 7: 10-9 Jesse
    Round 8: 10-10 Even
    Round 9: 10-9 Jesse
    Round 10: 10-9 Jesse

    Total: 99-93 Benavides (actual scores: 95-95, 97-95 and 97-93 both for Benavides for a majority win)

    I was kinder to Benavides than the judges. I was very impressed with his boxing. Salud had one bright spot in the 5th when he really banged the body well, but then let up in the ensuing rounds. Benavides was tagged good several times in this bout and he stood up well, which is amazing with the spectre of his bout with Pedro Decima in the old memory bank with him folding like a deck of cards. I won't say this is a must see, but it was a good fight. I enjoyed it anyway.
     
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  2. scartissue

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    Welcome Ncita v Jesus Salud (IBF super bantamweight title)

    I thought I would check out another Jesus Salud fight and since I've always liked Welcome Ncita, this just seemed right.

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Salud
    Round 3: 10-9 Ncita
    Round 4: 10-9 Ncita
    Round 5: 10-9 Ncita
    Round 6: 10-9 Ncita
    Round 7: 10-9 Ncita
    Round 8: 10-9 Ncita
    Round 9: 10-9 Ncita
    Round 10: 10-9 Salud
    Round 11: 10-10 Even
    Round 12: 10-9 Salud

    Total: 117-113 Ncita (actual scores: 116-112, 116-112 and 115-113 all for Ncita)

    Salud has a real pattern about him. He follows, he follows and he follows and when he does land its usually one punch here and there. He follows the Juan Laporte/Joe Bugner type where you have to set a fire under his stool to get him to come alive. When he does come around - like he did in the last three rounds - he's competitive. I did enjoy, however, seeing Ncita attack the body in the last half of the fight. But the fight as a whole I would regard as decent and that's about all.
     
  3. scartissue

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    Rough, I settled in to watch this today and was totally enjoying it, but then came along the 8th round only to find it was the 11th round. No rounds 8, 9 or 10 in any of the versions I tried to find. So disappointing. I just aborted it. I cannot stand a partial fight when scoring. Of what I saw of the fight, Saijo was keeping Rojas on the end of his straight sharp jab and combos. And with the height and reach deficit that Rojas was looking at, this didn't bode well for him. I kept mumbling, "Go to the body! Go to the body!" I think Rojas' normally good body work on that thin frame would have paid dividends down the stretch. Only in the 7th did I see the beginnings of some body work on the part of Rojas. One side note that was hidden at the time was that Rojas and his party animal buddy Mando Ramos had heard for some reason the fight got postponed a bit before this card (It was a double-header with Ramos challenging Teo Cruz for the lightweight title) and they broke camp and went on a bar-hopping spree. By the time it was clear the card was back on, they were found in some watering hole both well-lit. Naturally, both lost their respective matches. I will say, however, Rojas would always have found Saijo a difficult prospect - considering their physical disparities - without a better battle plan than this.
     
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  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I scored this on the FOTW thread, but it belongs here.

    First of all, the scoring. I always stick to scoring with the system used. Whether it be the NY system of a rounds basis, the California 1 point a round, 0 for even, etc., the Australian system of the 50s, 5 point, British, 5 point or 10 point. It is the system in place which can reflect how the judges see a fight. However, I will be honest that I just don't have a handle on the Illinois system. I also have seen this system used in a number of Charley Riley fights that I viewed that took place in Missouri. So maybe this was a Midwest thing, I just don't know and it could be a case of being wildly liberal with points. So rather than score it wrong, I will simply go with a rounds basis and a 10 point and 5 point system. Here we go.

    Johnny Bratton v Charley Fusari (vacant welterweight title)

    Round 1: Fusari
    Round 2: Fusari
    Round 3: Bratton
    Round 4: Bratton (scores a knockdown)
    Round 5: Even
    Round 6: Bratton
    Round 7: Fusari
    Round 8: Fusari
    Round 9: Bratton
    Round 10: Bratton (scores a knockdown)
    Round 11: Fusari
    Round 12: Fusari
    Round 13: Fusari
    Round 14: Fusari
    Round 15: Even

    Total: 8-5-2 Fusari in rounds, 143-142 Fusari on 10 point must, or 68-67 Fusari on 5 point must - all which are inaccurate with the scoring method used. (Actual scores: 77-73 and 78-72 both for Bratton and a 76-74 for Fusari)

    To begin, for some reason - going into this fight - I thought Fusari was more boxer and Bratton was a busy type fighter. Neither was correct. Bratton was a type of lazy fighter who seemed to fight only in spurts. On my card he let this fight get away from him. When he did fight, he was sharp as hell. Fusari on the other hand, was constantly plugging away with clubbing - not hard - shots and never let up. I made notes about round 4 & 5 that I would have given the 4th to Fusari if not for the knockdown and in the 5th he caught Fusari twice with a couple of zingers then went into La-La land and Fusari carried the freight most of the round. I also made notes that rounds 11-14 that Fusari was unspectacular, yet was the only one doing the fighting. It was there after 10 rounds for Bratton to take and I felt he did little. Bratton came alive a bit in the 15th to make it a good round, but again, only in spurts and I again felt Fusari's dogged effort evened that round. A very close fight and a different scoring system might change my card, but it is what it is. An excellent fight, guys.
     
  5. scartissue

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    Orlando Canizales v Junior Jones

    George, I checked this fight out today and then saw that you and @roughdiamond both checked it out yourselves several months back. Here is how I had it.

    Round 1: 10-9 Jones
    Round 2: 10-9 Jones
    Round 3: 10-9 Canizales
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-9 Canizales
    Round 6: 10-10 Even
    Round 7: 10-9 Jones
    Round 8: 10-9 Jones
    Round 9: 10-9 Jones
    Round 10: 10-9 Jones
    Round 11: 10-9 Jones
    Round 12: 10-9 Jones

    Total: 118-112 Jones (actual scores: 117-111 and 118-111 both for Jones and a very strange 119-110 for Canizales for a split win for Junior Jones)

    As you guys have already mentioned, Canizales' poor effort on cutting off the ring. But I will also mention that I don't believe Orlando ever was a good pressure fighter to begin with. As a bantamweight he could box, punch and counter-punch with anyone on an even keel and never really had to go looking or overtly pressing another fighter (much). His brother Gaby was an unrelenting pressure fighter and he and Jones would have been something. I recall Gaby ripping in those shots to Jeff Chandler's ribs and that was what was needed here. You simply cannot give someone like Junior Jones two feet of distance. He will rip you apart with those jabs and straight rights, which he did. Orlando needed to be breathing down his neck and banging the body. But again, he was not that kind of a fighter. A good fight and probably a career best for Jones.

    BTW, where is everybodddddddyyyyyyy?!
     
  6. Jel

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    Been taking a break from scoring. Slowly working my way through Pinkon Thomas v Trevor Berbick at the moment - managing a round a night at the moment before I fall asleep. I'm tired but I don't think it's just that that's sending me to sleep.
     
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  7. William Walker

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    What?! I luv that fight!
     
  8. George Crowcroft

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    I've been watching more game of thrones than boxing recently.
     
  9. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tisk tisk, what an unfair swap.
     
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  10. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was looking for a match that had multiple knockdowns my friend, Lol.
     
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  11. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Richard, have you ever seen the Ezra Sellers v Carl Thompson fight? Sounds like this is right up your alley.
     
  12. William Walker

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    I know. You seem to have this thing about fights with knockdowns.
     
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  13. Richard M Murrieta

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    I am going to have to check that one out.
     
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  14. William Walker

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    Yes Richard! Watch it and post on it! It's only four rounds and is one of the most knockdown-riddled fights ever!
     
  15. Richard M Murrieta

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    It reminds me of the Rocky Balboa trilogy. Yo Adrien, Lol.
     
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