the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Oct 25, 2006
    James Toney v Dave Tiberi
    (IBF Middleweight title)

    10-9 Toney
    10-9 Tiberi
    10-9 Tiberi
    10-9 Tiberi
    10-9 Tiberi
    10-8 Toney
    10-9 Toney
    10-9 Tiberi
    10-9 Toney
    10-9 Toney
    10-9 Tiberi
    10-9 Tiberi

    Tiberi: 114
    Toney : 113

    Point unfairly taken from Tiberi in round 6 for a so-called low blow, giving Toney on my card a 10-8 round.

    Not quite the daylight robbery I've always read it was.
    Tiberi was busier and forced the action, landing some good body blows particularly early in the fight.
    Toney less active but scored the cleaner, harder punches for the most part. Still, Toney gave away many early rounds due to pure lethargy.
    Round 6 seemed to be a bit of a tipping point.
    Toney sensing urgency, began to make inroads. He became busier, and while Tiberi was still out landing him, Toney for my mind was doing enough to squeak some rounds in, landing fewer but crisper punches.
    I can see some later rounds being in some doubt.

    I think partly why this fight was seen as a disgrace was that Tiberi betting-wise was a no-hoper. You could not even get odds for this fight.
    Toney was the fighter of the year the year previously.
    It wasn't even expected to be much of a contest, leading to perhaps a somewhat OTT reaction to the result.
    Tiberi almost swept the first 5 rounds. This may have influenced some to think that Toney had a mountain to climb, but the unfair point deduction, along with my view that he won round 6 anyway, cut that back significantly. As said, Toney did improve in the second half of the fight.

    The heavy scores in favour of Toney by 2 of the judges are difficult to reconcile with me. In that sense, it was a robbery.
    But ultimately, for me, it's a bad-though not disgraceful-decision.
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  2. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    HD, I checked this out today for the first time since I watched in live 30 odd years ago. Had it 7-5 for Hagler then. Here we go today.

    Marvin Hagler v Sugar Ray Leonard

    Round 1: 10-9 Leonard
    Round 2: 10-9 Leonard
    Round 3: 10-10 Even
    Round 4: 10-9 Leonard
    Round 5: 10-9 Hagler
    Round 6: 10-9 Leonard
    Round 7: 10-9 Hagler
    Round 8: 10-9 Hagler
    Round 9: 10-10 Even
    Round 10: 10-9 Hagler
    Round 11: 10-10 Even
    Round 12: 10-9 Hagler

    Total: 116-115 Hagler (actual scores: 115-113 Hagler, 115-113 Leonard and a baffling 118-110 for Leonard for a split win)

    I found this once again to be a good fight, but also a chess match and a study on round-stealing. Not saying anything is wrong with that because its up to the judge to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff. Hagler was steady, but whenever he gave Leonard just that little bit of space, he gave Leonard license to kill with one of his eye-catching flurries. Most of the time not even a flurry, but it would grab the audience. Even from 30 years ago I remember that bolo-turned body shot from Leonard and laughed then when the crowd went wild. I recall then saying, "It was a low-blow and they're cheering!" Anyways, I did feel Leonard put in a remarkable performance, but felt Hagler took it with solid, steady work. A good close fight.
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  3. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

    Oct 20, 2017
    Eddie Mustafa Muhammad v Jerry Martin

    This fight perfectly sums up the enigmatic performer that Eddie Mustafa Muhammad was. He was such a good boxer and a dangerous puncher too but also a fighter with a real tendency to admire his own work.

    Muhammad seemed in control the whole way through but just took his foot off the gas and allowed Martin to work his way back in contention. And then just as he'd done that, he lowered the boom and stopped him.

    My card is closer than Eddie should have allowed it to be. After the end of the 4th he nearly had Martin out of there (it definitely would have been stopped then and there if it was taking place today), but managed to let him off the hook in the 5th and from the 6th, Martin edged some rounds to make my scoring look closer than the fight really was.

    1 10-9
    2 10-9
    3 10-9 (close)
    4 10-8 (pretty even, Martin edging it until Muhammad clocks him hard and follows up battering him to the floor. The bell saves him)
    5 10-9
    6 9-10 (Muhammad has stepped off the gas)
    7 9-10 (close)
    8 9-10 (close again)
    9 9-10 (Eddie does like to admire his own work. He probably feels like he is in complete control and he is overall but his output is currently so sporadic that Martin is nicking rounds. Mustafa is a frustrating fighter to watch)
    10 Muhammad TKO Martin
    (And just like that it's over. A booming right hand flattens Martin. The ref gives Martin the benefit of the doubt to carry on but the follow up from Muhammad shows that there is nothing left.)
  4. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

    Oct 20, 2017
    Eddie Gregory v Matt Franklin

    This is from 1977 and features the pre-title, pre-Muhammad light heavyweights.

    Only the first four rounds available of this one, unfortunately. Such a shame.

    And a real shame too that they never got to rematch with the undisputed world title on the line a few years later.

    1 8-10 (Gregory is put down but back up quickly)
    2 9-10 (close)
    3 10-9 (close)
    4 10-9 (Gregory's best round of the fight so far)

    And that's it. Two rounds apiece with Franklin holding a slender points advantage on account of the first round KD. Hopefully someone posts the full 10 rounds one day.
  5. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Sugar Ray Leonard v Ayub Kalule

    Round 1: 10-9 Leonard
    Round 2: 10-9 Leonard
    Round 3: 10-10 Even
    Round 4: 10-9 Leonard
    Round 5: 10-9 Kalule
    Round 6: 10-9 Leonard
    Round 7: 10-9 Kalule
    Round 8: 10-9 Leonard
    Round 9: Leonard stops Kalule

    Total through 8 completed rounds: 78-75 Leonard (actual scores: 78-75, 78-76 and 78-76 all for Leonard)

    Needed to see this one again. I was real big on Kalule back in the day and was really annoyed at how the fight ended. Can't take anything away from Leonard for the knockdown but I always felt Leonard was getting the benefit of the doubt throughout his career and this one was icing on the cake for me on this subject. To clarify my paranoia on the subject, Kalule was up before the count of 10 and time had run out on the round and the bell should have rung, but of course, it didn't. The time was originally announced as a stoppage at 2:59, which was bogus. Back then I was ranting to anyone listening that the timekeeper refused to ring that bell hoping for a Leonard KO. Finally, they did admit the time of the stoppage was like 3:06 or something like that, which meant the bell should have rung. If so, Kalule would have gone to his corner and would have got at least another round. Don't know if things would have been different, probably not, but Leonard admitted he threw absolutely everything into that last combo to drop him, so who knows who would have been more ready to resume warfare after that. I loved Kalule's reflexes throughout the fight, but his lack of power was his downfall. still, great combos and counters from both fighters throughout.
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  6. Guru88

    Guru88 Member Full Member

    Sep 6, 2020
    Andre Ward Vs Sergey Kovalev

    I scored this fight to Ward by 3 rounds, the majority of rounds he won he won slightly, but Kovalev to me seemed to coast and almost throw the fight away after the knockdown, the amount of people who say Kovalev won baffles me. Here is my card and I implore anybody to tell me which rounds Kovalev clearly won which I didn’t give him and why he clearly won them.

    Round 1 10-9 Kovalev

    Round 2 10-8 Kovalev

    Round 3 9-10 Ward

    Round 4 9-10 Ward

    Round 5 9-10 Ward

    Round 6 10-9 Kovalev

    Round 7 9-10 Ward

    Round 8 9-10 Ward

    Round 9 9-10 Ward

    Round 10 10-9 Kovalev

    Round 11 9-10 Ward

    Round 12 9-10 Ward

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  7. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Wanted to have a gander at the Evander Holyfield v Fres Oquendo fight for its controversial decision. However, after 4 rounds I aborted this endeavor. I thought to myself, "Life is too short for this kind of boredom." But I did alight upon...

    George Foreman v Alex Stewart

    Round 1: 10-9 Foreman
    Round 2: 10-7 Foreman (scores 2 knockdowns)
    Round 3: 10-10 Even
    Round 4: 10-9 Stewart
    Round 5: 10-9 Stewart
    Round 6: 10-9 Stewart
    Round 7: 10-9 Stewart
    Round 8: 10-9 Foreman
    Round 9: 10-9 Stewart
    Round 10: 10-8 Stewart (Foreman deducted a point for a low blow)

    Total: 95-93 Stewart (actual scores: 94-94, 94-93 and another 94-93 for Foreman on a majority decision).

    Very good fight. I seemed to favor Stewart's sharper blows over the heavier, more ponderous blows of Foreman. I was amazed back in the day and still am how Foreman's face blew up the way it did. I know Stewart could hit but that was really uncanny. As if something was in Foreman's system that didn't react well. I'm not suggesting PEDs, but could some over-the-counter pharmaceutical have had such an adverse reaction? Regardless, these two gave it their all.
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  8. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

    Aug 12, 2012
    Round 1 10-9 Kovelav
    Round 2 10-8 Kovelav
    Round 3 10-9 Kovelav
    Round 4 10-4 Kovelav
    Round 5 10-9 Ward
    Round 6 10-9 Kovelav
    Round 7 10-9 Ward
    Round 8 10-9 Ward
    Round 9 10-9 Ward
    Round 10 10-9 Kovelav
    Round 11 10-9 Ward
    Round 12 10-9 Kovelav

    115-112 Kovelav
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  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Another FOTW entry that belongs here.

    Marvin Johnson v Matthew Franklin (soon to become Matthew Saad Muhammad)

    Round 1: 10-9 Johnson
    Round 2: 10-9 Franklin
    Round 3: 10-9 Johnson
    Round 4: 10-9 Johnson
    Round 5: 10-9 Johnson
    Round 6: 10-9 Franklin
    Round 7: 10-9 Franklin
    Round 8: Franklin KOs Johnson

    Total: 67-66 Johnson (through 7 completed rounds)

    Johnson was the ultimate no-frills fighter. If there was any fighter who never worried about pacing himself, it was Johnson. He just went in to do his job and despite being bombarded in that 8th round, he still lashed out several times with some beauties. Franklin - or Saad if you prefer, although a bit premature - was not to be denied in this fight, however. And he earned every wound to grab that crown. Just a terrific fight.
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  10. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

    Oct 7, 2020
    Pacquiao/Marquez I
    Round 1 - Pacquiao 10-6
    Round 2 - Pacquiao 10-9
    Round 3 - Marquez 10-9
    Round 4 - Marquez 10-9
    Round 5 - Marquez 10-9
    Round 6 - Marquez 10-9
    Round 7 - Pacquiao 10-9
    Round 8 - Pacquiao 10-9
    Round 9 - Even 10-10
    Round 10 - Pacquiao 10-9
    Round 11 - Marquez 10-9
    Round 12 - Pacquiao 10-9
    6 rounds to 5, with 1 even, along with 3 KD's for Pacquiao
    Winner: Pacquiao
  11. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jun 26, 2009
    Next time I’m having trouble falling asleep I’m going to try that Oquendo-Holy fight haha. I just need to lock all the sharp objects away to avoid temptation.
  12. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Oh, man, even the dull objects. I only got through round 4 when I was looking for a butter-knife.
  13. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jun 26, 2009
    I wouldn’t want to be near so much as a plastic spork with that showing. :(
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  14. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

    Oct 7, 2020
    'Iron' Mike Tyson vs James 'Buster' Douglas
    Tyson - 6,7,8
    Douglas 2,3,4,5,9
    Even - 1
    Outcome: Douglas W KO10

    Douglas 77|Tyson 75 (5 rounds to 3 with 1 even at the time of the stoppage)

    *Round 8 was a 10-8 Tyson round (although he would have lost it if not for the knockdown)

    Great fight. Greater upset. Douglas shocked the world & upset a beast like Iron Mike. Fight was competitive - atleast for the first few rounds. Tyson made a mini comeback to win 6&7, & then had a big round 8. Douglas then took over & finished Mike off in Round 10.​
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  15. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Guru, I watched this when it happened but didn't score it until now. Your post sort of put it on the top of my list to actually score. So here we go.

    Sergey Kovalev v Andre Ward

    Round 1: 10-9 Kovalev
    Round 2: 10-8 Kovalev (scores a knockdown)
    Round 3: 10-10 Even
    Round 4: 10-9 Kovalev
    Round 5: 10-9 Ward
    Round 6: 10-9 Kovalev
    Round 7: 10-9 Ward
    Round 8: 10-9 Ward
    Round 9: 10-10 Even
    Round 10: 10-9 Kovalev
    Round 11: 10-9 Ward
    Round 12: 10-9 Ward

    Total: 115-114 Kovalev (actual scores: 114-113 x 3 for Ward)

    To begin, we're not that far off in our scores. I had rounds 3 and 9 Even, but the only round we actually disagreed on was the 4th, so we were looking at the same fight, so to speak. Also, I checked some of our other posters scores on this fight and it appears @McGrain , @lufcrazy , @Mod-Mania and I scored for Kovalev whereas, you, @rorschach51 and @PhillyPhan69 all scored for Ward. But we all had it close, which again suggests it was a good, close fight that was contested so tightly that only a round or two could alter a result. But a good, tough fight.
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