the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Excellent post. It's one of my favourite fights to watch. A true battle of the ages.
The commentators on my broadcast were very respectful of George.
Merchant has always been a sour man, often making sarcastic, snide remarks about fighters.
George did very well and surprised us all.

 

The promotional name for the fight was The Battle of the Ages.

It was a PPV and was heavily promoted. I remember going to the local cable company to order it (you had to do it that way in those days, or else call to order and hope they actually switched it on for your TV) and if you ordered it you’d get a button ... the kind you’d attach to your shirt with the pin on the back.

I was younger so they started to give me a Holyfield one (I forgot what the slogan on that one was) and I asked for the ‘You Can Do It George’ one with Foreman’s likeness. The lady said, ‘you’re young, you’re supposed to be for Evander’ and I told her I liked them both but I wanted the George button.

Wish I still had it. And I guess if I was my present age back then they’d have given me the Foreman one without asking along with an AARP card.

I absolutely love that fight. Seen it many times and will many more, I’m sure. It’s always a delight to relive it.

 

Jorge 'Maromero' Paez v Troy Dorsey
IBF Featherweight championship

Round 1 10-9 Dorsey
Round 2 10-8 Paez (knockdown)
Round 3 10-9 Dorsey
Round 4 10-9 Paez
Round 5 10-9 Dorsey
Round 6 10-9 Dorsey
Round 7 10-9 Dorsey
Round 8 10-9 Dorsey
Round 9 10-9 Dorsey
Round 10 10-9 Dorsey
Round 11 10-9 Paez
Round 12 10-9 Paez

Total: 115-112 Dorsey

Official scores:
113-114 (Dorsey)
115-113 (Paez)
114-113 (Paez)

Maybe I was too lenient with Dorsey, who I had a clear winner. The judges thought otherwise. Maybe I'll re-score it one day.

Here we had the colourful Jorge Paez who had to shed a lot of weight for this fight, against former kickboxing world champ Troy Dorsey.
The first round set the tone for the entire fight, with Dorsey pushing Paez to the ropes and engaging him at close quarters, throwing an avalanche of leather.
Paez, quite content on the ropes, was happy to catch a lot of these punches on the gloves and arms, occasionally firing back.
The second round saw Paez score a good knockdown after landing three solid punches, but Dorsey was unhurt and went straight back to business.
The remainder of the fight was a repeat of the first round; Dorsey throwing lots of pitty-pat arm punches, and Paez leaning back on the ropes, not doing much of anything.
I generally prefer fighters who pick their spots and score hard, meaningful punches, as opposed to simply a volume of inoffensive punches.
Here though, the difference of punches landed and thrown by each was so great that it was very difficult to justify Dorsey losing any of the middle rounds.
In the 11th and 12th rounds Paez, obviously making a last stand, finished strong. He finally woke up and started punching back and making a fight of it. This late effort secured him the win on the official scorecards.
I gave him both of the last two rounds.

We've seen this type of fight many times before.
The more talented but lazy fighter (Paez) against the limited but hard-working opponent. (Dorsey)
You have to give Dorsey credit. He wasn't the most talented fighter, but he always came into the ring in excellent shape, willing to gut it out and throw a million punches.
Paez, a favourite of mine, was very talented but sloppy and lazy and sometimes like here, wasn't in good shape at all.
A bad Paez was awful. But a good Paez could be almost brilliant.
Here, he was pretty bad.

 

Roy Jones Jr vs Antonio Tarver I​

Rounds Won/Even
Jones - 1,4,5,6,9,11
Tarver - 2,7,8,10
Even - 3,12

My Scorecard
(J)115-113(T)
Winner: Jones ​

A great, competitive fight from start to finish. Tarver had his moments, but Jones controlled most of the action - landing the more significant punches. I felt the last round was very close & could have gone to Jones, but I felt Tarver did enough early in the round to make it even.​

 

Been ages since I’ve seen it but I remember thinking these guys could fight 1,000 rounds and it would end up about 200-200 and the middle 600 would be up for debate: Dorsey with volume but not a lot of impact, Paez with impact but not as much volume.

And I could watch those two go at it all day. Troy was a delightful fighter with limitations — but heart and determination were not among those limitations for sure.

 

Harry Arroyo v Joe Manley

This was a 16-0 Arroyo against an 8-0 Joe Manley, but Manley had greater amateur experience so it seemed like a good matchup and it was. This bout reminded me a bit of the 10 rounder between Hedgemon Lewis and Carlos Palomino. The flashy boxer-puncher against the harder punching body-banger. Scored with NJ rounds basis.

Round 1: Manley
Round 2: Manley
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Manley
Round 5: Manley
Round 6: ??? Round missing - leap of faith says it was Arroyo's round
Round 7: Arroyo
Round 8: Arroyo
Round 9: Even
Round 10: Manley (scores a knockdown)

Total: 5-3-2 Manley (actual scores: 7-3 Manley, 6-4 Arroyo and 5-4-1 Arroyo - look at that, an Even round by Harold Lederman)

I was into this fight and enjoying the hell out of it when just before the bell for the 6th round, the commentators say, "Wow, Manly survived a rough round. Best round of the night for Arroyo." I was sitting there thinking, what fight are they watching? When the bell rings for the 7th. No 6th round. Whenever I see a round missing I generally just scrap it, but again, I was enjoying the hell out of it and saw it to its end. Really good fight but I thought Manley nicked it. Still PO'd that I didn't get to see the 6th which sounded like a really good one.

 

Interesting. I thought the 10-point must system had become mandatory by then.

 

Fighting Harada v Pone Kingpetch 1
WBA Flyweight World Championship (1962)

I'll confess I've never watched either fighter before, so this was a good opportunity to kill two birds with one stone.
Round 1 Harada
Round 2 Harada
Round 3 Harada
Round 4 Kingpetch
Round 5 Kingpetch
Round 6 Harada
Round 7 Kingpetch
Round 8 Harada
Round 10 Kingpetch
Round 11 Harada TKO

Good fight between two of the Orient's best. Harada started very well, buoyed no doubt by fighting in front of his countrymen. He forced the action, scoring with hard, sharp rights and bullying Kingpetch into the ropes often.
Kingpetch started slowly, offering only token resistance, pushing out his jab, but with nothing on it.
For me, Harada swept the first three rounds with effective aggression.

Kingpetch woke from his slumber in round four, finally throwing something behind his jab as Harada continued to push forward, scoring with sporadic right hands.
From this point it was fight on from rounds 4 through ten.
I thought the men fought on fairly even terms through this part of the fight.
Harada's punches caught the eye more, but Kingpetch was scoring nicely with his jab and occasional right hands.
I had to be mindful that nearly everything Harada threw drew reactions from the crowd, while the good work Kingpetch was doing was greeted with silence.
Still I had Harada 6-4 up in rounds before the 11th.
The 11th was the end for Kingpetch, who was caught with a flurry of punches, causing him to go down into a sitting position along the ropes with the referee waving it off.

I was impressed by both men. Harada seems to be a tough little battler with decent pop on his punches, while I was impressed by Kingpetch's jab and ability to fight going backwards. I like the look of his style a lot.
I'll be sure to watch more of both men in the future.

Just a question for anyone more knowledgeable about these fighters...
Kingpetch was the champ, yet he defended his title in Japan a few times.
No doubt the money was good, but just going by his record, he seemed to do better at home.
Was it just a money thing?

 

FOF, for title fights they used the 10 point must, but in '82 10 rounders were still fought on the rounds basis. As near as I can figure, they went 10 point must sometime around '87.

 

Cool, thanks for the info.

 

Depends on where. Title fights tended to use the 10-point must as that was the governing bodies’ mandate (not sure if there were exceptions, I think if you go back to the 1970s and before you’ll see some) but non-title fights used the scoring system of the state where it was fought.

This was in New Jersey, which continued to use the round system up until at least 1986.

 

Ok, interesting. Thanks for the info.

 

When great posters like @scartissue and @Saintpat share their knowledge, it makes me very happy.

 

Cornelius Boza Edwards v John Montes

After watching Boza-Chacon II on the FOTW, I needed another Boza fight to get the weekend off right and alighted on this one. Man, this was just what the doctor ordered.

Round 1: 10-9 Montes
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Boza
Round 4: 10-9 Boza
Round 5: 10-9 Boza
Round 6: 10-8 Boza (scores a knockdown)
Round 7: 10-9 Boza
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Boza

Total: 99-93 Boza Edwards (actual scores: 99-93, 97-95 and 96-95 all for Boza)

Man, this was like one of those 10 rounders from Madison Square Garden in the 60s. These two were relentless. Montes started out every round so well and throwing sizzling shots before Boza would just take over the round with his body shots and never-say-die style. Suffice to say every round was close and I can see everyone having a differing card on this one. But I can't see anyone saying this wasn't a terrific fight.

 

Great post. What I found ridiculous about this fights is how many rounds people give Foreman. Yes he made it a fight at times and fought great for his age but he was getting out landed in pretty much every round. I think I saw one commentator give five rounds to Foreman which is laughable.