the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Danny 'Little Red' Lopez v Mike Ayala
    WBC Featherweight Championship (1979)

    Round 1: Lopez 10-9
    Round 2: Ayala 10-9
    Round 3: Ayala 10-9
    Round 4: Ayala 10-9
    Round 5: Lopez 10-9
    Round 6: Lopez 10-9
    Round 7: Lopez 10-8
    Round 8: Ayala 10-9
    Round 9: Ayala 10-9
    Round 10: Lopez 10-9
    Round 11 Lopez 10-8*
    Round 12: Ayala 10-9
    Round 13: Ayala 10-9
    Round 14: Lopez 10-9
    Round 15: Lopez KO

    A terrific fight between two excellent featherweights. This was 1979's fight of the year.
    Ayala, only 22 and fighting in front of his hometown fans, ranked number 1 contender, challenged the dangerous Danny Lopez.
    This is what a fight between number 1 contender should be; a close, hard-fought fight with no quarter asked nor given.

    The much shorter Ayala started well, going to the ropes on his own volition, content to counter Lopez and slip or block leather coming his way. I gave him 3 of the first 4 rounds based on effective counter-punching.
    Lopez started to gain some momentum from the 5th round, scoring with some nice jabs and occasional right hand, scoring a knockdown in the 7th with what looked like a bodyshot.
    Ayala, who was content to give ground and go to the ropes whenever he could, came back to score with several clean punches over the next 2 rounds, while Lopez seemed to give up on the body shots that gave him the knockdown.

    Going into the 11th, I had Lopez one point to the good.
    The 11th proved to be pretty controversial. Ayala went down from a punch, taking the count, a bit dazed but not seriously hurt. He got to his feet at the count of 10, but referee Carlos Padilla waved it off and sent Ayala (who wasn't complaining) back to his corner.
    Fight over.
    But wait, the timekeeper alleged that Ayala got up at the count of 9, and thus the fight should continue. A very bizarre moment and the first of it's kind I've seen.
    So the ring is cleared and the fight continues, among much confusion.

    The end came in the 15th round, where Ayala, whose nose had been bleeding and perhaps broken as early as the 3rd round, took two jolting rights to the jaw in the corner, where he went down and took the full count.
    This time, there was no controversy or confusion. Lopez by KO in 15 hard rounds.

    My card at the time was 135-132 Lopez.
    Official scores:
    135-132 Lopez
    135-129 Lopez
    131-134 Ayala

    The final scorecard is hard to fathom, which was in favour of Ayala, at least according to Boxrec. Anyway, the knockout made the scores redundant.
     
  2. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    FF, I checked this fight out about a year ago (for the first time I might add). I had it a bit wider for Lopez, but regardless, a great fight, aside from Padilla. This is what I wrote:

    Danny Lopez v Mike Ayala

    A note to all though when watching it. The San Antonio crowd screams at anything Mike Ayala throws, so don't be swayed. Here we go.

    Round 1: 10-9 Lopez
    Round 2: 10-9 Ayala
    Round 3: 10-9 Lopez
    Round 4: 10-9 Ayala
    Round 5: 10-9 Ayala
    Round 6: 10-9 Lopez
    Round 7: 10-8 Lopez (scores a knockdown)
    Round 8: 10-9 Ayala
    Round 9: 10-10 Even
    Round 10: 10-9 Lopez
    Round 11: 10-8 Lopez (scores a knockdown)
    Round 12: 10-9 Lopez
    Round 13: 10-10 Even
    Round 14: 10-9 Lopez
    Round 15: Lopez KOs Ayala

    Total (through 14 completed rounds): 136-130 Lopez (actual scores: 135-132 and 135-129 both for Lopez and an amazing 134-131 for Ayala)

    Where to begin? First of all, again I say, Carlos Padilla was the worst referee I've ever seen. Never understood how he could keep drawing the plum assignments. He always had the look of utter confusion on his face. And it was no different here. His 11th round screwup cost Lopez an earlier evening than he got. He counts Ayala out and stops the fight and then, instead of holding his ground he gets into a discussion with the timekeeper and he restarts the fight. But hold on a minute, that was actually the second screwup. In round 7 when Lopez drops Ayala, I happened to think to myself (after years of watching these tussles) 'that seemed like a long count'. So I rewatched the knockdown and counted it off. Yep, he was down for 12 seconds. Hey, where was his buddy the timekeeper now?. The two of them were probably scared senseless with the very vocal San Antonio crowd. Anyways, his pathetic officiating didn't detract from what was an outstanding fight.
     
  3. scartissue

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    Art Aragon v Henry Davis (San Francisco Cow Palace) 10 rounds

    Found this one today looking for a good scrap and I wasn't disappointed. This bout's scoring was on the west coast's 11 point system (also known as the Australian 11 point system) at the time. Where 11 points are divided (6-5 for a close round, 5.5 - 5.5 for an Even round). Here we go.

    Round 1: 6-5 Aragon
    Round 2: 6-5 Davis
    Round 3: 6-5 Aragon
    Round 4: 6-5 Aragon
    Round 5: 6-5 Aragon
    Round 6: 5.5 - 5.5 Even
    Round 7: 6-5 Aragon
    Round 8: 6-5 Davis
    Round 9: 6-5 Aragon
    Round 10: Referee stops the contest due to a badly lacerated lower lip by Davis where his lower teeth went through the lip in the previous round.

    Total through 9 completed rounds: 51.5 - 47.5 Aragon (actual scores: 51.5 - 47.5 for Aragon and 2 scores of 50-49 for Davis)

    Every round Davis started like a house-a-fire, but then Aragon's bigger shots just took over. I really couldn't see those two scores for Davis, but it is what it is. And Davis was PO'd when that fight was stopped. A good fight where the emphasis was clearly on entertainment.
     
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  4. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good post.
    I'll check out the first knockdown again. The ref's count is the only one that matters, which I find perplexing given that the timekeeper objects to the count by Padilla, and Padilla as you say, instead of sticking to his guns, agrees to let the fight continue.
    A very strange situation.

    "He always had the look of utter confusion on his face." - made me chuckle. I'll pay more attention to him next time.
     
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  5. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I remember thinking the more mobile Ayala did himself a real disservice by going to the ropes so often as a strategy. He took too many unnecessary shots I think.

    I read somewhere that Ayala admitted later he was higher than a kite during the bout. Not trying to downgrade his effort and I have nothing but stuff people have written here, so take it with a grain of salt.
     
  6. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

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    Here's mine from a while back:

    Danny Lopez v Mike Ayala

    After 14 rounds, I had it in rounds 9-5 to Lopez but with two two-point rounds, the 7th and 11th because of the knockdowns. That made it 135-129 in Lopez's favour.

    On the official scorecards, Lopez was up on two of them; 135-129, the same as my score, and 135-132 (too close when you factor in both knockdowns). Unbelievably, the third judge had it 131-134 to Ayala! That's hard to fathom.

    Lopez looked like a big featherweight in there and Ayala looked more like a bantamweight. Ultimately the size difference and power difference was too much for Ayala to overcome but he showed great heart to last as long as he did.

    The 11th round was as bizarre an end to a round as you could see. Padilla definitely waved it off and Ayala seemed to have accepted the decision but then Padilla changed his mind - odd, to put it mildly.

    R1: 10-9
    R2: 9-10
    (difficult to score - Lopez busier, Ayala with the more eye catching combos)
    R3: 9-10
    (Ayala's strategy is to box off the ropes, confident that he is better defensively. Lopez still the busier but less certain of how to tackle Mike) 9-10
    R4: 9-10
    (the pattern continues. Mostly punches landing on the arms from Lopez, excellent defense from Ayala and then short explosive bursts that means little Mikey edges the round)
    R5: 9-10
    (Lopez needs to change up his attack; Ayala feels like he's controlling the exchanges, even on the back foot)
    R6: 10-9
    (close but thought Lopez was more effective in this round, but maybe in comparison with the last few)
    R7: 10-8
    (Lopez takes control amd turns the fight his way, bringing Ayala off the ropes and fighting in ring centre. Lopez landing harder and more frequently now. Then, all of a sudden, Ayala drops to one knee).
    R8: 9-10
    (close - Lopez takes the first minute, Ayala taking punishment but Mike comes back hard - tremendous round)
    R9: 10-9
    (close again - Lopez seems to be landing the more damaging shots, Ayala fights back hard though. Superb stuff)
    R10: 10-9
    (Ayala starts well but is starting to tire now. The off the ropes strategy is not working like it was and Lopez is landing consistently. Clearer round for Lopez)
    R11: 10-8
    (the continual pressure from Lopez is starting to take its toll on Ayala and again Ayala drops to one knee from a relatively innocuous punch. Then chaos - Padilla looks like he is waving the fight off and Lopez's seconds enter the ring before Padilla calls it on again - and then the round is over)
    R12: 10-9
    (Lopez dominating most of the round, using his jab to control the distance. Ayala landing more sporadically but having no discernible effect. Ayala comes on in the last minute but not enough to take the round)
    R13: 10-9
    (close and Ayala fought back hard towards the end of the round but Lopez is doing more damage overall)
    R14: 10-9
    (this is reminding me of Mancini-Kim, the bigger, stronger fighter is on top, but Ayala is doing just enough to keep it competitive)
    (135-129)
    R15: Lopez TKO Ayala
    (Lopez stops Ayala after working him over for the first minute or so of the round)
     
  7. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I also read that Sal. Who knows eh?
     
  8. fists of fury

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    @scartissue
    @Jel

    I appreciate your cards and feedback guys. It's always nice to cross reference cards from knowledgeable posters such as yourselves.
     
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  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I recall reading that too. But here is an excerpt from an Ayala interview on that question. I cleaned up the language a bit here.

    DH: In June of ’79 you got the contract you were waiting for. A shot at the world featherweight title against Danny ‘Little Red’ Lopez in what turned out to be 1979′s ‘fight of the year’. Tell me about the fight.

    MA: I think back and really believe I should have won that fight. I felt I was the better fighter, but back then I was like a pressure-cooker and wasn’t fighting disciplined enough and was stopped in the 15th round.

    DH: Mike, how much truth was there to the story that you carried an addiction with you into the ring that night?

    MA: Dan, boxing is like Peyton Place and the media always show up for gossip and scandal. It’s amazing the amount of bulls**t they wrote about me and my brothers. I can assure you that I was not high on heroin going into the ring that night. Now, having said that, I was using, but I just dabbled in drugs. I wasn’t an addict. I was a very serious fighter and wanted to be champion of the world. If any part of what they wrote about me was true, I could have died in the f**kin’ ring that night. I certainly wouldn’t have been able to perform the way I did and I certainly wouldn’t have passed any post-fight urinalysis test. After that fight I realized nothing was sacred in boxing.
     
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  10. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good to read that. Was hoping it wasn't true.
     
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  11. fists of fury

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    Lupe Pintor v Alberto Davila
    WBC Bantamweight championship (1980)

    Round 1: Even
    Round 2: Davila
    Round 3: Davila
    Round 4: Pintor
    Round 5: Davila
    Round 6: Davila
    Round 7: Davila
    Round 8: Pintor
    Round 9: Pintor
    Round 10: Pintor
    Round 11: Davila
    Round 12: Pintor
    Round 13: Pintor
    Round 14: Pintor
    Round 15: Pintor

    Total: 144-142 Lupe Pintor
    Official scores:
    143-142
    143-143
    146-142
    Majority decision for Lupe Pintor

    I scored the first even, neither man doing much in a feeling out round.
    Davila started to fire from round 2, scoring with nice crisp punches to Pintor's head. Pintor kept going to the body and head against the cagey Davila, but Davila guarded against the left particularly well, catching virtually everything on his gloves.
    It seemed like a fight of two halves to me. Pintor throwing (especially the left) but either missing or getting most his shots blocked/smothered, with Davila scoring well with both hands. Davila was looking great in there, Pintor yet to find an ideal range and punch selection.
    At the end of 7, Davila had built up a good lead on my card.
    Things started to swing Pintor's way from the 8th round. He started finding considerable success with his right hand, which up until that point had been sparingly used.
    Davila for my money started to go inside with the larger, harder-hitting Pintor too much, and started catching some debilitating shots.
    The effect of Pintor's heavier blows started to tell as by the start of the championship rounds, Davila looked tired and weary.
    The 14th was probably the best round of the fight, with both men willingly swapping leather. By this point, the momentum was all with Pintor though. Davila got the worst of the exchanges.

    All in all, a very good fight between two fine bantamweights. Pintor is another favourite of mine. Respect to Davila though; he gave Pintor plenty to think about.
     
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    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    FF, this is a great breakdown on the fight.
     
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    Ivan Robinson v Angel Manfredy

    Round 1: 10-9 Manfredy
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-9 Manfredy
    Round 4: 10-9 Robinson
    Round 5: 10-10 Even
    Round 6: 10-9 Manfredy
    Round 7: 10-9 Manfredy
    Round 8: 10-9 Manfredy
    Round 9: 10-9 Manfredy
    Round 10: 10-9 Manfredy

    Total: 99-93 Manfredy (Actual scores: 99-91, 99-91 and 100-90 all for Manfredy)

    Don't let the scores deter you from watching this. Every round was super-close and believe me, what a fight!! Was Robinson ever in anything else but a war? If this guy had a punch we would be talking about him with reverence. Do yourselves a favor. Put away the pen, crack open a bottle of suds and just sit back and enjoy.
     
  14. Jel

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    Ricardo Lopez v Rosendo Alvarez 2

    High quality fight with some excellent exchanges. I thought Alvarez started really well and had Lopez on the back foot before Lopez started to dictate terms over the second half. He really impressed me, particularly as he never seemed to get rattled by the cuts he suffered. He looked a mess by the end but he definitely deserved the win.

    Not electrifying action but a very good fight nonetheless.

    1 9-10
    2 10-9
    3 9-10 (some nice exchanges)
    4 9-10 (close)
    5 10-9
    6 10-9 (close. Some more good back and forth action but I thought Lopez edged it with his more precise punching)
    7 10-9 (Lopez seems to have taken a measure of control in the fight. Alvarez looking a little predictable)
    8 10-9 (good round again)
    9 10-9 (Alvarez had some sporadic moments of success but it's Lopez in control)
    10 9-10 (close. Better from Alvarez, who manages to make Lopez retreat and closes distance to land some decent shots)
    11 10-9 (Lopez has sealed the fight on my card with a strong second half of the round after Alvarez started well)
    12 10-9 (close but Alvarez didn't show quite enough urgency. Lopez's face looks bad while Alvarez is relatively unmarked but that doesn't tell the real story of the fight)

    Lopez 116-112 Alvarez
     
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    Johnny Famechon v Fighting Harada II (5 point must)

    Round 1: 5-4 Harada
    Round 2: 5-4 Famechon
    Round 3: 5-4 Famechon
    Round 4: 5-4 Famechon
    Round 5: 5-4 Harada
    Round 6: 5-5 Even
    Round 7: 5-4 Famechon
    Round 8: 5-4 Harada
    Round 9: 5-4 Famechon
    Round 10: 5-3 Harada (scores a knockdown or a standing 8)
    Round 11: 5-4 Harada
    Round 12: 5-3 Famechon (scores a knockdown)
    Round 13: 5-4 Famechon
    Round 14: Famechon stops Harada

    Total through 13 completed rounds: 59-57 Famechon (actual scores: 61-58, 60-59 and 62-54 all for Famechon)

    Famechon was a very strong featherweight with a strong left jab, which really contained the ever-pressing, ever-charging Harada. This was not the Harada of his bantamweight days, but he gave a very good go of it in there and kept it close on my card while trying to recapture more glory in his third division. Again, an admirable go of it.
     
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