Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.
Underrated great fight.
Bobby Czyz v Dennis Andries
Round 1: 10-9 Czyz
Round 2: 10-9 Andries
Round 3: 10-9 Andries
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Andries
Round 6: 10-9 Andries
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Andries
Round 9: 10-9 Andries
Round 10: 10-9 Andries
Total: 99-93 Andries (actual scores: 98-93 and 96-94 both for Andries, with a dissenting 95-95 Even score for a majority win for Andries)
Was hoping for a good close scrap here, but really it was only a workman-like performance from Andries against a very subdued Czyz. There wasn't much to it. Andries simply outworked Czyz, who would catch Andries with a nice shot and then follow up with absolutely nothing. There was no fire in anything that Czyz did. Amazingly, what was on the line was a title shot at Virgil Hill, so you would think he would come out firing on all cylinders. Even more amazingly was, Czyz got the title shot anyway. But to be fair, whatever went on behind closed doors with negotiations, is unknown. And Andries ended up winning the vacant WBC title a month before Hill v Czyz took place anyhow, so I'm sure he didn't complain too much. At least the 2 of the 3 NJ officials kept some form of integrity by scoring it correctly for Andries. That Even scorecard showed bold partiality to the NJ based Czyz.
Julio Gervacio v Jose Valdez
I checked this fight out today only because I love watching Gervacio and because this fight was in it's entirety.
Round 1: 10-9 Gervacio
Round 2: 10-9 Gervacio
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Gervacio
Round 5: 10-9 Valdez
Round 6: 10-9 Gervacio
Round 7: 10-9 Gervacio
Round 8: 10-9 Gervacio
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-8 Gervacio (Valdez docked a point for holding)
Total: 99-92 Gervacio (actual scores: 97-92, 97-92 and 97-94 all for Gervacio)
I was hoping for something better than this. Perhaps it was the southpaw/orthodox combo that just wasn't jelling. Still, I love Gervacio's style. His jab, his body shots, his sharp rights and lefts. The 9th and 10th rounds were about the best rounds, but I would actually say, give it a pass.
From our FOTW:
Jorge Paez v Troy Dorsey II
Let me just say this was a toughie. The workrate of Dorsey or the harder, accuracy of Paez.
Round 1: 10-9 Dorsey
Round 2: 10-9 Dorsey
Round 3: 10-9 Dorsey
Round 4: 10-9 Paez
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Dorsey
Round 7: 10-9 Paez
Round 8: 10-9 Dorsey
Round 9: 10-9 Paez
Round 10: 10-9 Paez
Round 11: 10-9 Paez
Round 12: 10-10 Even
Total: 115-115 Draw (actual scores: 116-112 Dorsey, 115-113 Paez and 114-114 Even for a Draw)
I'm sure if I score this again I would be looking at a different card. It was that tight. The entire fight fought inside a narrow pocket. Needless to say, I had no problem with the decision.
The clear winner was anyone who watched.
Keith Thurman vs Danny Garcia
Round 1: Thurman 10-9
Round 2: Thurman 10-9 (Close)
Round 3: Garcia 10-9 (Close)
Round 4: Thurman 10-9 (Close)
Round 5: Thurman 10-9
Round 6: Garcia 10-9
Round 7: Thurman 10-9 (Close)
Round 8: Thurman 10-9
Round 9: Thurman 10-9 (Close)
Round 10: Garcia 10-9
Round 11: Garcia 10-9
Round 12: Garcia 10-9
Final Score: Thurman 115-113
Good fight would be cool to see it get to run back since both are coming off losses was a close fight but Thurman landed the more effective shots and Garcia gave away too many middle and early rounds. Thurman is a very slick boxer with good power he has a lot of potentials I hope we see him come back soon I think this fight showed a lot of weaknesses though especially regarding his cardio which Manny used to his advantage.I think Thurmans the only guy at 147 right now besides Manny and maybe Porter who would have a good shot against Spence and Crawford.
Got a free afternoon so I decieded id score another fight
Thurman vs Porter
Round 1: Thurman 10-9
Round 2: Porter 10-9
Round 3: Porter 10-9 (Close)
Round 4: Thurman 10-9
Round 5: Porter 10-9
Round 6: Porter 10-9
Round 7: Thurman 10-9 (Close)
Round 8: Thurman 10-9
Round 9: Porter 10-9
Round 10: Thurman 10-9 (Close)
Round 11: Thurman 10-9
Round 12: Thurman 10-9
Final Score: Thurman 115-113
Very entertaining fight. played out the opposite of Garcia Thurman where Thurman came on late after rough early and middle rounds. The last round really came down to who wanted it more and Thurman wanted it just a bit more than Porter and Porter was pretty gassed. Very good fight big fan of both guys.
Julian Jackson vs Thomas Tate August 1st 1992
Jackson (31 years old) is 44-1 42 KOs and the reigning WBC middleweight champion this is his 4th defense of that title. Tate (27 years old) comes in at 24-1 19 KOs and rated 10 by the WBC. How I'm not sure, his competition is pretty lackluster and he got tagged with his first loss a couple fights before this. Commentary even makes a comment about how sometimes in boxing fighters move up the ratings like magic (lol)
Feeling out round evolved to Jackson being aggressive and Tate ultra defensive (with Jacksons rep, for a good reason)
More of the same, Tate on his bicycle and Jackson leading, not much damage being delivered though.
Better round overall, Tate lands a nice right hand and wakes up Jackson who begins landing some nice shots, but Tate is taking them. Tate more willing to trade and come forward now having some success landing his own power shots. Still I think Jackson edged this round
Tate boxing great here and Jackson has taken his foot off the pedal. 1:30 into the round Jackson lands a nice right hand to Tate's head. Tate having a lot of success though and is probably winning this round. Never mind! Jackson catches Tate with several hard shots and drops him with about 10 sec to go. Tate gets up and looks OK though.
First 90 seconds is all Jackson to the point it looks like its getting close to a stoppage. Tate throws almost nothing. Then at almost exactly the half way point of the round Tate takes over and hurts Jackson. Roles are completely reversed here as now Jackson is on his bike trying to clear his head and Tate all over him. Wow
Tate very aggressive taking the fight to Jackson. Jackson in retreat mode. Jackson finally starts looking like he's recovered somewhat and lands some hard body shots that Tate wants no part of and slows his assault. A nice right hand and body shot by Jackson. Tate dominated most of the round though
58-55 Jackson (Steve farhood chimes in and the unnoficial scorecard he has is the same as mine)
Tate must of not liked those shots from Jackson in round 6 because he's back on the bicycle and staying away. Jackson looking more like himself and stalking Tate occasionally landing some hard shots
Jackson now even more aggressive and starts putting his shots together better than he has since the beginning of the fight. Jackson also doesn't forget to land hard body shots during his assault. Tate blocks a right hand but Jackson hits so incredibly hard Tate stumbles back from it. 40 seconds left of a Jackson dominated round and Tate has Jackson hurt! Now its all Tate! Jackson trying to goad Tate to come to him dropping his left hand low but Tate is having none of that trap and starts jabbing Jackson to the head. Round ends. I could see Tate stealing this round on some cards, but Jackson dominated so much I had to give it to him
Much slower pace. A breather round for both. Both are cautious and Jackson takes his foot off the pedal to try to regroup. I think this was a mistake on Tates part. Jackson lands almost nothing but a hard body shot while Tate lands some shots here and there
Jackson looks back to form and lands some nice shots on Tate. Tate having some success landing jabs and the occasional combo but Jackson is really pressing the action this round. Tate slips through the ropes but is OK. Tate lands a hard right to Jackson who answers back.
Tate boxing the best he's boxed all fight. Defensive hecus sound but committing to his offense as well. Jackson lands a few jabs and power shots but Tate answers back whenever Jackson does
Jackson starts aggressive and tries to bomb Tate out of here but can't. Now Jackson looks exhausted and his right eye appears to be closing. Jacksons bombs are now slower and aren't landing with a lot of success. Tate is in control at the end of the round as Jackson is stumbling around completely spent
Unofficial judge farhood has it exactly the same
Official judges have it
117-111, 116-111, 116-111
Tate put up a great fight against the monster Jackson. If he would of not gotten clipped earlier in the fight my scorecard would of been a draw (officially he would of still lost). Jackson was done in round 12 and credit to him for surviving. He hadn't been that many rounds often in his career because.....well he's Julian Jackson. Commendable performances by both.
This would be the last title defense for Jackson, he would then defend against McClellan and get KOd and KOd in the rematch. He would go on to regain this title after Gerald vacated it, but would quickly drop it to Quincy Taylor.
Tate would go on for another 10ish years. He would actually regroup after this before losing to Jones Jr and then Rocky Gannon (haha what?). And Silvio Branco. Tate would have a career resurgence beating a string of prospects fringe contenders before fighting Sven Ottke twice for the IBF title and retiring.
Pepsi, great write-up.
Terrific write up. You put a lot more effort into this one than I did! But here's my card just for comparison:
Julian Jackson v Thomas Tate
5 9-10 (great recovery from Tate who hurt Jackson)
6 9-10 (quite a turnaround. Tate dominates Jackson who looks like he's run out of steam)
7 9-10 (close. Jackson seemed like he'd recovered but didn't land much)
8 10-10 (Jackson has Tate in trouble early but Tate fights back hard)
Jackson 116-112 Tate
Nice! Yea our cards are pretty close. Gutsy performances by both.
Junior Jones v Marco Antonio Barrera 2
Another terrific performance against Barrera from Junior Jones, who showed just the right combination of ring smarts and toughness to keep Barrera at bay.
Barrera was more accurate with his punch output but too sparing with it too, particularly in the second half of the fight.
The point deduction? A little harsh. I thought it was borderline and Jones didn't seem affected, suggesting it wasn't that low a blow. But even without that deduction, I had Jones winning.
Funny to think that this would be the end of Jones' best, whereas Barrera would come back (more than once as well) to have a Hall of Fame career.
1 10-9 (nice snapping jab from Jones)
2 9-10 (good work from Barrera towards the end of the round gives him the edge)
3 9-10 (Jones inaccurate with his punches, Barrera doing some solid work)
4 10-9 (Jones busier and landed the better punches)
5 9-10 (Barrera landed some nice shots to take the round)
8 10-9 (good round from Jones who had Barrera backing up)
9 10-8 (Jones winning the round plus a point deduction for a low blow for Barrera. Barrera strangely passive)
10 10-9 (superb performance from Jones. He is dominating the second half of the fight. To his credit, Barrera is standing up well to the right hand this time around but he's taking a fair few and not doing enough.)
11 10-9 (Barrera looking out of ideas, decides to abandon the boxing and exchange a bit. But Jones has the round again)
12 10-10 (scrappy round until the final exchange- both giving as good as they get. No clear edge to either fighter)
Jones 116-112 Barrera
The Junior Jones comeback train! He really did have Barrera's number at this time. His fight after this is one of my favorites to watch (vs Kennedy McKinney)
Roy Jones Jr. vs Thomas Tate May 27th 1994
Tate is about 29 years old and the IBF #1 ranked contender. How he is the number 1 ranked contender I have no idea. After his spirited effort against Julian Jackson, Tate went 5-0 mostly against journeymen, but did pick up a 10 round decision against often overlooked 41-6 Tyrone Trice.
Roy Jones is 25 years old, is 25-0 with 22 KOs. This is the first defense of his IBF title he picked up around 12 months prior by winning a decision against Bernard Hopkins which if I said it aged well, would be a massive understatement. Jones did have 3 fights between Hopkins and this one, all non-title. A KO over future multiple time world titilst Sugarboy Malinga, a shutout 10 round decision over 12-7-2 Fermin Chirino, and a KO over 25-12 Danny Garcia. (Can anyone fill me in or remind me why Jones was fighting so many non title fights around this time?)
All Jones. Tate is trying to get going with his boxing but Jones is landing at will from multiple awkward angles. Dare I say I even see some jabs from Roy land. Jones is ludicrously gifted athletically and his reflexes are from another planet. On defense Jones blocks or dodges almost everything Tate throws at him with ease. Its like Jones can fight in fast forward and he can see Tate as if he were slomo. Dominating round by Jones
Lightening fast left hook from Jones that Tate doesn't see and hes down and hurt. Its over that's it.
Jones was a freak of nature when he was younger and this fight highlighted why. Tate is not an all time great but he's a skilled fighter who less than two years prior extended Julian Jackson and gave a good account of himself. Here he was outclassed from jump street. Recommend if you want to see Roy closer to his athletic prime.
Tate would go on a slide after this losing to Rocky Gannon and Silvio Branco. But rebound with some wins over prospects and fringe contenders to get a couple shots at Sven Ottkes IBF Super middle title.
Jones next fight is his dominating win over James Toney and claiming another world title.
A couple of our rounds were different, but in the end we had the same score. This is what I wrote:
Junior Jones vs. Marco Antonio Barrera II
Round 1: 10-9 Jones
Round 2: 10-9 Barrera
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Jones
Round 5: 10-9 Jones
Round 6: 10-9 Barrera
Round 7: 10-9 Jones
Round 8: 10-9 Jones
Round 9: 10-8 Jones (point deducted from Barrera for continued low-blows - 3rd warning)
Round 10: 10-9 Jones
Round 11: 10-9 Barrera
Round 12: 10-9 Barrera
Total: 116-112 Jones
Actual scorecards were 116-111, 114-113 and 114-112 all for Jones
Amazing how a fighter can show up and have that Indian hex over a great. And this is the case here. You gotta give Jones his due.